Women & Flaking

[Bingo-Player]

Despite all my experience and all my years in the field Flaking is still a behaviour that absolutely baffles me

This isn't a case of interest levels or only certain types of women ..... i believe nearly all women will engage in flaky behaviours EVEN with men they are interested in

For example last night i am in a pub , i spot a table with 2 blonde Hb6's and a brunette HB7.....the brunette is giving me the look of " i want you to come and talk me"

So i go over introduce myself and bring one of my mates over , i get all the girls laughing , HB 7 is comfortable playing with her hair touching my arms general high IOI

The girls have to leave as they are going to a party somewhere so i give HB7 my number

Within 10 mins of her leaving she texts me

HB7: "come to XYZ"

Bingo - Cant , come to my place

HB7 - "it's too far can you pick me up"

Bingo- maybe we'll see, text me later

HB7 - ok deal

*I did ring HB7 at about 2am hoping to get a last min booty call , no answer*

I then today WhatsApp HB7 just saying " shame you left early last night "

HB7 reads the message and then ghosts me

I mean it's just baffling isn't it , i dont understand the thought process of

"guy i was interested in is making an effort with me i wanted to sleep with him last night but now i'm gonna ignore him"

and whats more worrying is I know every guy on planet earth would have been through a similar situation to this one

The more women i approach the more i am realising theres no real logic to any of it ..... women will sleep with you on a whim , women will go on dates on a whim , women's interest levels will vary on a whim


it is literally just a case of approaching as many as you can and hoping some convert into dates / sex / whatever ..... try to apply any kind of logical thought to it and your finished

 

[BackInTheGame78]

She gave you your shot and you blew it. Not much else to say.

 

[Willie Naylor]

The girls have to leave as they are going to a party somewhere so i give HB7 my number

Within 10 mins of her leaving she texts me

HB7: "come to XYZ"

Bingo - Cant , come to my place

HB7 - "it's too far can you pick me up"

Bingo- maybe we'll see, text me later


I then today WhatsApp HB7 just saying " shame you left early last night "

HB7 reads the message and then ghosts me

it is literally just a case of approaching as many as you can and hoping some convert into dates / sex / whatever ..... try to apply any kind of logical thought to it and your finished

It's literally just a case of you trying to make yourself feel better for having blown this.

First, you gave her your number. Nah bruh. Be a man and get hers.

Second, you played this stupid 'hard to get' game with her with this 'maybe we'll see' stuff. WTF dude? She was begging you to come fvck her, and you said 'text me later.'

Lastly, WhatsApp? Dude, get off the teenybopper apps.

I know I sound harsh, but you posted a thread explaining what you did. So, expect some fair critiques of where you went wrong.

 

[Bingo-Player]

She gave you your shot and you blew it. Not much else to say.

It ain't about her its the mindset , its shouldn't be tolerated at all too many faggot men out there putting up with this sh1t

It's literally just a case of you trying to make yourself feel better for having blown this.

First, you gave her your number. Nah bruh. Be a man and get hers.

Second, you played this stupid 'hard to get' game with her with this 'maybe we'll see' stuff. WTF dude? She was begging you to come fvck her, and you said 'text me later.'

Lastly, WhatsApp? Dude, get off the teenybopper apps.

I know I sound harsh, but you posted a thread explaining what you did. So, expect some fair critiques of where you went wrong.

What did i blow ? i cant bend over backwards just to facilitate a bang i'd been drinking too i was out with friends i hadn't seen in a while i cant just fvck them off to go get laid lmao

i tried calling her @ the end of the night and i would have smashed her , someone else probably was ok no big deal lmao

it was just an example i could give 100 others

My point was is as men we have now allowed women to completely control the landscape of the game ..... you can try all the tricks you like but everything is on her terms not yours playa

Not sure what the issue with WhatsApp is thats just b1tching for the sake of b1tching

 

[BackInTheGame78]

It ain't about her its the mindset , its shouldn't be tolerated at all too many faggot men out there putting up with this sh1t



What did i blow ? i cant bend over backwards just to facilitate a bang i'd been drinking too i was out with friends i hadn't seen in a while i cant just fvck them off to go get laid lmao

i tried calling her @ the end of the night and i would have smashed her , someone else probably was ok no big deal lmao

it was just an example i could give 100 others

My point was is as men we have now allowed women to completely control the landscape of the game ..... you can try all the tricks you like but everything is on her terms not yours playa

Not sure what the issue with WhatsApp is thats just b1tching for the sake of b1tching

Then that's the opportunity cost of you choosing to hang out with your friends. Not saying that was the wrong thing to do, just that she gave you a chance and you didn't take advantage of it. The reason why is irrelevant.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Yea ok agreed can we keep the chick in the example as a separate issue lol

I am trying to figure out why women do this , what is the benefit to them other than the short term attention it makes no sense ?

Look at this tweet attached they say the funniest things are true and with nearly 100K women liking this in my area alone that certainly seems the case

Perhaps @BeExcellent can shed some light for me

 

[Willie Naylor]

It ain't about her its the mindset , its shouldn't be tolerated at all too many faggot men out there putting up with this sh1t



What did i blow ? i cant bend over backwards just to facilitate a bang i'd been drinking too i was out with friends i hadn't seen in a while i cant just fvck them off to go get laid lmao

i tried calling her @ the end of the night and i would have smashed her , someone else probably was ok no big deal lmao

it was just an example i could give 100 others

My point was is as men we have now allowed women to completely control the landscape of the game ..... you can try all the tricks you like but everything is on her terms not yours playa

Not sure what the issue with WhatsApp is thats just b1tching for the sake of b1tching

I'm just saying, I wouldn't be so quick to chalk this one up to the game.

You chose to stay with your friends instead of smash this chick, and it backfired, like @BackInTheGame78 said.

Don't make this chick out to be some monster who played games with you. YOU chose to stay with your friends.

Nothing is wrong with this girl. She didn't play you. She didn't play games. You're trying to rationalize this in your mind to make yourself feel better.

 

[GioWolf]

...the short term attention...

This is it. They love the attention. It's instant hits of validation and dopamine. Women don't think long term, they go by what feels good right now. Personally, I would have went to XYZ and further escalated. Other guys would say this is a no-no and I would be letting her control the frame. When you blew her off, there was probably 10 other guys there in front of her.

Also, she could have been in a relationship and was only looking for something that night.

 

[Bingo-Player]

This is it. They love the attention. It's instant hits of validation and dopamine. Women don't think long term, they go by what feels good right now. Personally, I would have went to XYZ and further escalated. Other guys would say this is a no-no and I would be letting her control the frame. When you blew her off, there was probably 10 other guys there in front of her.

Also, she could have been in a relationship and was only looking for something that night.

OH she 100% got smashed last night by someone

yea the relationship did cross my mind

this girl was just an example though , women do pointless flaking to guys all the fvcking time

Often for no reason

 

[Raasay]

Just some thoughts,
- alcohol or night vibes in general, ideas that sound great during a party at 2 AM sometimes look somewhat different on Sunday 10 AM
- this depends on your social environment: in my environment women are kind of conservative, they want the recognition, but they don't want to be a sl*t/b*tch whatver, so they flirt, even make out with guys but don't want to sleep with them, I'm observing this behavior right now among some of my friends... and I'm not talking about old women or some sort of Bible club.
- women with a lot of choice, you were great, but in the next club she got a number of some other dudes and they were simply faster. Being quick without being needy can be a big thing, at least in my experience.
- women are bad decision makers, they are often insecure about what they should do, I have also enough personal experience here. Sometimes they want something, but they think they shouldn't, so you have to convince/seduce them, but you need f2f contact for this most of the time - so could easily be that the same girl that flaked you on the phone, starts something with you when you run into her the next day and take her to a cafe or so.

But most important, there is a ton of randomness to it as to many things in life, there are literally hundreds of potential reasons that lead to this outcome, from how you describe it, you did a decent job, congrats, next time it might be different.

 

[Raasay]

Yea ok agreed can we keep the chick in the example as a separate issue lol

I am trying to figure out why women do this , what is the benefit to them other than the short term attention it makes no sense ?

Look at this tweet attached they say the funniest things are true and with nearly 100K women liking this in my area alone that certainly seems the case

Perhaps @BeExcellent can shed some light for me

This is 100% ego boosting and absolutely common, I even have male friends who are in a relationship that do this, flirt until they think they can bang her and then say goodbye because they are not allowed to.

 

[BeExcellent]

@Bingo-Player yeah I agree you missed an opportunity with this particular chick. It is what it is.

High interest women don’t flake. They just don’t. If women are flaking they aren’t thinking of you as their best/most desirable option. You gotta realize that attractive women ALWAYS have options and will continue to have options until she is locked down.

Having said that understand that it IS a numbers game. You want to approach women you find attractive and go from there but realize that unless you are extremely desirable yourself most women you approach are NOT your girl. That’s Ok. Next set. Keep moving on until you find a gal who you like who also has high interest in YOU. Don’t settle for less than that.

If the women are flaking they don’t think you are All. That. Period.

There isn’t a less direct way to put it. It has EVERYTHING to do with interest level.

I do not flake. Ever. But I also decline any guy I am lukewarm toward. For me it’s about character and being straight up. Many women are too conflict averse to decline…it’s just less confrontational to flake. So I’d say that’s much of it. Women with the character to decline are unusual. Many find it easier to agree & then vanish.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

HB7 reads the message and then ghosts me

You should never ignore the power of alcohol mate. Buyers remorse next day when she is sober and not so horny anymore...
Yep, chicks' are weird tho.

 

[Bingo-Player]

@Bingo-Player yeah I agree you missed an opportunity with this particular chick. It is what it is.

High interest women don’t flake. They just don’t. If women are flaking they aren’t thinking of you as their best/most desirable option. You gotta realize that attractive women ALWAYS have options and will continue to have options until she is locked down.

Having said that understand that it IS a numbers game. You want to approach women you find attractive and go from there but realize that unless you are extremely desirable yourself most women you approach are NOT your girl. That’s Ok. Next set. Keep moving on until you find a gal who you like who also has high interest in YOU. Don’t settle for less than that.

If the women are flaking they don’t think you are All. That. Period.

There isn’t a less direct way to put it. It has EVERYTHING to do with interest level.

I do not flake. Ever. But I also decline any guy I am lukewarm toward. For me it’s about character and being straight up. Many women are too conflict averse to decline…it’s just less confrontational to flake. So I’d say that’s much of it. Women with the character to decline are unusual. Many find it easier to agree & then vanish.

I genuinely believed that this used to be the case , but as i'm leaving my 20's i dont believe it anymore

I dont think female interest levels are fixed i think they can fluctuate a lot depending on the male and how he makes her feel at any given time of the day/week/month

Why are workplace affairs and romances so common ? because women tend too warm to men they spend a lot of time with so long as that guy retains his frame and doesn't enter the freindzone his chances of banging that co-worker will constantly fluctuate , then all of a sudden an office party comes along and she sleeps with him ( because u know whatever )

I now also believe Disposability is also another key factor .....contrary to popular belief men bond way faster with women than the other way around ..... it takes a long time for a woman too bond

So this again goes back to familiarity if she is familiar with you , your chances of experiencing flaky behaviours decrease rapidly ( unless of course she genuinely isn't interested but again that would be obvious from the get go )

The girl i met last night knew me for all of 30 mins , there was no way she could have assessed my full value but yet she deemed it high enough to think about sleeping with me ......however by this morning i am just some random guy she met and doesnt deem it worth following up

I know far too many men whom have experienced these scenarios for it too be simply a case of " her interest wasn't high enough"

Women are random like i said try to apply logic and you lose straight away

 

[BeExcellent]

I genuinely believed that this used to be the case , but as i'm leaving my 20's i dont believe it anymore

I dont think female interest levels are fixed i think they can fluctuate a lot depending on the male and how he makes her feel at any given time of the day/week/month

Why are workplace affairs and romances so common ? because women tend too warm to men they spend a lot of time with so long as that guy retains his frame and doesn't enter the freindzone his chances of banging that co-worker will constantly fluctuate , then all of a sudden an office party comes along and she sleeps with him ( because u know whatever )

I now also believe Disposability is also another key factor .....contrary to popular belief men bond way faster with women than the other way around ..... it takes a long time for a woman too bond

So this again goes back to familiarity if she is familiar with you , your chances of experiencing flaky behaviours decrease rapidly ( unless of course she genuinely isn't interested but again that would be obvious from the get go )

The girl i met last night knew me for all of 30 mins , there was no way she could have assessed my full value but yet she deemed it high enough to think about sleeping with me ......however by this morning i am just some random guy she met and doesnt deem it worth following up

I know far too many men whom have experienced these scenarios for it too be simply a case of " her interest wasn't high enough"

Women are random like i said try to apply logic and you lose straight away

All the things you said are true. However what I suggested still stands. Somebody mentioned alcohol and buyer’s remorse. Yes….but if a woman liked you well enough she would not have buyer’s remorse. Therefore interest level is mediocre at best.

I don’t care WHY her interest isn’t high. It just isn’t for any number of 1000 reasons.

Would she flake on Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt or Harry Stiles? Nope? Interest level. Always reduces to interest level.

 

[Velasco]

Most of the hot girls you pick up from cold approach will be what's being described here as "mediocre interest."

She literally just known you for 5 minutes. She's also met guy A for 5 minutes. Guy 2. Guy 3 from last weekend, guy 4 from 2 weeks ago. The 2 guys in her social circle that she's interested in....So in the beginning, there is little room for error.

Something as simple as rescheduling an arranged date or not going for the same night lay when it's there, can fvck it up for you.

Welcome to 2021 (it's kinda being this way for a while but yea).

so yes in the beginning it will seem this way

My point was is as men we have now allowed women to completely control the landscape of the game ..... you can try all the tricks you like but everything is on her terms not yours playa

But like I said in the first link, it's only temporary. The more time that she spends with you, the more the tide will turn into your favor. Were you will have her completely under your control.

The question is: can you allow your ego to not get in the way during this short temporary "mediocre interest" phase?

Also:

Would she flake on Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt or Harry Stiles? Nope? Interest level. Always reduces to interest level

So this is why, even if you're the top dog in your own circle, and even if your circle is bigger and cooler than her circle, she'll still reject you in the street even if you somehow manage to convey all this to her in a few minutes. Because status, to her, due to her "solipsism" (i.e. due to her extremely narrow horizons), means quite simply HER FRIENDS' OPINION OF YOU, because these friends are her entire world and the only people whose opinion she cares about. And since her friends don't know you, your status is ZERO in her eyes no matter what your objective status may be in the context of your own circles. And that's why celebrity game is the best kind of game, if you can play it, because EVERYONE knows celebrities, INCLUDING THEREFORE HER FRIENDS. They all know Brad Pitt and have discussed him countless times, so in a sense he is a part of their little social circle even if he himself has never heard of them and doesn't give a **** about them. Celebrities are part of EVERYONE'S social circle, and that's why they are the only kinds of people that could really clean up in daygame if they ever wised up and learned about it and grew the balls to practice it. If I was Brad Pitt I sure as hell wouldn't shack up with shriveled-up 40-year-old actresses who weren't that hot even in their prime anyway, I'd just take a flight to Stockholm and sweep the hottest girls from the street or from nightclubs every day of the week until my penis fell off. But now imagine Brad Pitt WITHOUT THE FAME, perhaps BEFORE THE FAME, going out and running daygame. He'd get exactly the same 5-10% (or 1-5% post-Tinder) that top daygamers like me and GLL are getting (He's not better-looking than me, as far as I am concerned, and he's half GLL's size).

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[SetinStone22]

Ay playa, you just gotta know if you aint even gotten to a point where u snatched that hoe's soul a few times, you can't expect anythin from her.. to even question about a chick ghostin u or this and that is a waste of time.. I can't even focus on things like that. I got too much goin on.

Listen man, the way I like to handle sht like that-- is i'll do some sht like go and pick the bit.ch up if I know it means some good p.ussy because my goal is to get her into my realm , where i can snatch her soul with the most powerful tool, sex. I know that if i ca n get a girl to have sex with me, its all over from there- the personality and everything else already A1- she might as well just sign her life to me .. or at least a few months of her life before she gets wise to the game

she gave u a shot n you fumbled the ball homie. i wouldnt sweat it tho.. keep grindin

 

[bat soup]

Despite all my experience and all my years in the field Flaking is still a behaviour that absolutely baffles me

This isn't a case of interest levels or only certain types of women ..... i believe nearly all women will engage in flaky behaviours EVEN with men they are interested in

For example last night i am in a pub , i spot a table with 2 blonde Hb6's and a brunette HB7.....the brunette is giving me the look of " i want you to come and talk me"

So i go over introduce myself and bring one of my mates over , i get all the girls laughing , HB 7 is comfortable playing with her hair touching my arms general high IOI

The girls have to leave as they are going to a party somewhere so i give HB7 my number

Within 10 mins of her leaving she texts me

HB7: "come to XYZ"

Bingo - Cant , come to my place

HB7 - "it's too far can you pick me up"

Bingo- maybe we'll see, text me later

HB7 - ok deal

*I did ring HB7 at about 2am hoping to get a last min booty call , no answer*

I then today WhatsApp HB7 just saying " shame you left early last night "

HB7 reads the message and then ghosts me

I mean it's just baffling isn't it , i dont understand the thought process of

"guy i was interested in is making an effort with me i wanted to sleep with him last night but now i'm gonna ignore him"

and whats more worrying is I know every guy on planet earth would have been through a similar situation to this one

The more women i approach the more i am realising theres no real logic to any of it ..... women will sleep with you on a whim , women will go on dates on a whim , women's interest levels will vary on a whim


it is literally just a case of approaching as many as you can and hoping some convert into dates / sex / whatever ..... try to apply any kind of logical thought to it and your finished

She probably wanted you to come and pay for her dinner. When you refused, she called the next sucker.

A woman with genuine high interest won't flake.

 

[PRW63]

Despite all my experience and all my years in the field Flaking is still a behaviour that absolutely baffles me

Within 10 mins of her leaving she texts me

1. HB7: "come to XYZ"
2. Bingo - Cant , come to my place
3. HB7 - "it's too far can you pick me up"
4. Bingo- maybe we'll see, text me later
5. HB7 - ok deal
6. *I did ring HB7 at about 2am hoping to get a last min booty call , no answer*
7. I then today WhatsApp HB7 just saying " shame you left early last night "

HB7 reads the message and then ghosts me

She didn't want a "quickie" pump & dump. That is pretty much what step #2 told her she was getting.

Or she found a better option where they went.

Or both.

Step #1 was her wanting you to come to the party where they were at so she could "figure you out" a little better while still being around other people for safety sake. Your response of #2 told her all she needed to know, although it did take a little while to sink in since she asked you to come pick her up. But when you didn't give a clear affirmation that you were coming showed you didn't want to put in much effort. So combine the factors of Quick Pump & Dump, didn't want to spend more time with her at the 2nd party, and not wanting to put in the effort of picking her up,...Get Ghosted. Other guys at the new party were her better option.

 

[derby1]

OP put Bros before Hoes

good lad.