Women don't like jerks, they like guys in spite of being a jerk

[nismo-4]

This jerk stuff only works on women who are already attracted to you. Hell, nearly anything works in those cases!

Why do guys do this with women who have no interest? I did this jerk stuff with a model out here and it had no effect. It didn't magically take her away from the guy who drove her off in that Ferrari! Didn't expect her to come with me anyway, I was detached, so was she.

 

[Tenacity]

I guess the issue I see with this "analysis" is that it's way too categorical. I know I listed out labels as "Jerk" and "Thug" but from my experience there's really no explicit categories as if you are a regular guy, you should have a mixture of all of the major labels and you might be "Alpha" over here, "Jerk" over here and "Nice Guy" over here.

Brad in regards to your categories, I don't know man, I just haven't experienced things to that extreme. If I had to use labels (which I hate), here's the labels I would use and their definitions:

Thug - I defined him earlier. He's usually a loser or a bum, or he might have found success in his underground drug dealing bullshyt. But he's not stable, usually in and out of jail.

Jerk - I think this guy is more of a natural guy where he's cool to be around but he's blunt and outspoken, being blunt and outspoken is why people usually call him an "a.sshole". He usually has his shyt together but some of them don't.

Simp - This is the guy with this shyt together or at least has it together to some extent. He worships women, women can do no wrong, he's almost like a Male Feminist.

Average Joe - This guys might not have his shyt together, might be working class, but he just doesn't usually stand out that much. He sort of falls into the background. I wouldn't say he was boring, he could be boring, he just doesn't stand out.

Now, depending on the girl, ALL of these guys will get laid. If each of them developed a strategy to go out and consistently meet women, they could begin spinning plates and develop into their own pseudo-Player. Women will like each one of these guys for various different reasons, but as I said, I don't believe women actually love ANY guy anymore, so at the end of the day it's all just Entertainment to her and a Financial Resource...or if not a Financial Resource some other type of Entertainment that she's obtaining.

This notion that the "Nice Guy" is some guy that's afraid to go speak to women and afraid to approach women, I'm wondering how old this guy is that you guys are referring to? Is this a grown a.ss man or a little boy? And let's be honest here, who DOESN'T get a "little nervous" when just flat out approaching a chick in public? Some chicks (especially black ones) can be flat out rude and embarrass the hell out of you. To be honest, I don't even approach black chicks COLD like that in the street no more lol. I do most of my gaming online, it's much more convenient. These chicks are crazy out here man.

I tend to like to be the Anti-Hero type of guy more of the time, as being a "Black Conservative" always makes me the "bad person" most of the time in my dealings. There are women that are attracted to that because I'm outspoken and blunt, but there are also women that can't STAND my a.ss because of it lol.

Just like you got these Male Feminists and Simps out here that you guys might even label as being "Nice" because they kiss women's a.ss, put them up on mountain tops, etc. But there are women out there that LIKE that shyt and dudes get laid left and right over it. Women that are looking to get married and SCREW you over in Court, get WET over Male Feminists and Simps.

I just can NEVER do that shyt. I'm not selling my soul to get some a.ss, I do okay with the a.ss I get now and if it ever comes a day where I can't bring in a.ss off regular meets then fvck it...I have money to buy it. At the end of the day, when I add up the money I spend on date(s), I'm BUYING it anyway!

 

[VladPatton]

This jerk stuff only works on women who are already attracted to you. Hell, nearly anything works in those cases!

Why do guys do this with women who have no interest? I did this jerk stuff with a model out here and it had no effect. It didn't magically take her away from the guy who drove her off in that Ferrari! Didn't expect her to come with me anyway, I was detached, so was she.

^^^^^^This right here is all you need to know!

 

[dasein]

I guess the issue I see with this "analysis" is that it's way too categorical. I know I listed out labels as "Jerk" and "Thug" but from my experience there's really no explicit categories as if you are a regular guy, you should have a mixture of all of the major labels and you might be "Alpha" over here, "Jerk" over here and "Nice Guy" over here.

Excellent point. I've been simultaneously all these labels, and with the very same women, sometimes on the same night, sometimes in the same five minutes. Most of us have after a certain point. We forget that women in various emotional conditions, can label someone as a jerk (or a stud or walking on water) one moment and a pushover the very next. We also forget that women use emotions to manipulate men in the same ways that we use tools to manipulate the world. Learned years ago that it's mostly noise.

 

[RangerMIke]

I absolutely HATE 'Nice Guys'.... The reason women turn their noses up at them is because nice Guys are manipulators. They are liars and wear a mask of 'goodness' hiding their true nature. Anyone that is willing to completely sacrifice their wants and needs in subordination of anyone... are mentally disturbed on some level. Read "No More Mister Nice Guy" if you're a nice guy get yourself some freaking help. The reason women turn their noses up to the "nice guy" is because they know this.

Jerks usually are egocentric therefore spend more time looking good. They typically are physically attractive and make a great first impression Women love sex more than men. The jerk is a great sex partner.... women will always put on a facade that they are in a 'relationship' with a Jerk.... but the truth is they are using each other. The woman knows that when she tires of the Jerk he'll quietly more on to the next. If a woman has sex with the Nice Guy he, in contrast, will turn into a freaking creepy stalker.

 

[FairShake]

I've known many bitter, ugly, awkward "jerks" in my time who didn't get any interest from any women.

I've known many positive, handsome, confident "nice guys" in my time who did.

Being "difficult" has a place in any relationship. You can't constantly supplicate. But it alone won't do anything for you and is hardly the cornerstone of attraction. It's a tool like looks, like vibe, like confidence, like game.

Besides, different girls like different things. But all girls like fit guys, confident guys, and fun guys. Jerks appeal to a more limited sector of women. Be the first three FIRST then experiment with the latter.

 

[Pandora]

This jerk stuff only works on women who are already attracted to you. Hell, nearly anything works in those cases!

Why do guys do this with women who have no interest? I did this jerk stuff with a model out here and it had no effect. It didn't magically take her away from the guy who drove her off in that Ferrari! Didn't expect her to come with me anyway, I was detached, so was she.

Yeh man i agree. Without interest nothing works. I want guys to try to generate a lay from a girl just by exhibiting dark triad traits. It aint gonna happen. You can be as aloof and jerky as you want, if she doesnt want to let you in she aint gonna let you in.

The main battle her on SoSauve is between the anti-dump crowd and the Pook crowd.

Pook= you can generate attraction

Anti-Dump= dont worry about generating attraction. Just your best self and screen for attraction that is ALREADY present.

I am of the anti-dump philosophy. Attraction leading to sex is a deeply personal and psychological thing for most women. There are many very complex triggers to why a girl falls for a particular guy.

Most of it is instantaneous and based on looks and some intangible "chemistry" that she feels. Just be able to recognize which girls click for you and then use a little bit of jerk behavior to sustain that attraction over the long haul.

 

[Pandora]

Once you have done all of this, now it just comes down to the numbers game. If you approach let's say 20 girls, you should be converting about 20% to numbers at minimum which is 4 numbers. You work those numbers with your phone game, you turn those 4 into 2 solid dates, and you should fvck at least one of the dates. After you fvck her, you go out again and before you know it you guys are in a relationship.

It's not that hard.

Dude my and my boys were talking about this the other day lol. These are roughly our numbers also. For every 20 girls we seriously try to get, we usually end up smashing 1. My numbers are about 5% or 1 per 20 also. Its like sales man. Once you look at it as a numbers game its kinda difficult to see the "romantic" side of dating again.

 

[Pandora]

If you asked a guy what his favorite car is you will get many different answers. Some will say a 65 Mustang because that is what their dad drove. Some will say a 1982 Trans Am because they liked Knight Rider as a kid. Some will say a 2014 Lexus rx 350 because they just liked imports. You will get many different answers based on many different childhood experiences. Attraction in women is very similar.

Women's attraction is based on their childhood experiences in their formative years. It is ingrained in her subconscious. She might like guys with dark hair because it reminds her of her favorite uncle (no incest). She might like Latin guys because that was the ethnicity of the guys her mom brought around. She might like Asian guys with muscles because of a favorite TV show as a kid. She might be insecure about her skin color so she subconsciously likes a contrasting skin tone etc.

This is why women can only agree on the most good looking men being hot. You have to be undeniably good looking for cross section of women to agree. Its because their personal tastes are very unique to them. You have to very very handsome for women to universally agree on you being handsome. Womens choices are very varied and individualistic.

This is why women often know right way if they will smash you or not. They know if you are their type very quickly. They are asking about you even before they know your behavioral ques. Most of your lays will happen very quickly after meeting a women (within 2 or 3 dates). Being a jerk is overrated because she already made the decision. Now its up to you to not fuc* it up. All you have to be is to be a man, and have a back bone and you will get the lay.

Thought process of a women who will not fuc* you:
“ he is not really my type. He is aloof, and a jerk. He tries to be funny but he is just an ass. He told me I was getting fat. I would never touch him. Eww”=======Friendzone

Thought Process of a Women who will **** you:
“ damn girl he is so hot. I hope he comes over and talks to me. I would so fuc8 him.”
Or its like “ I don’t know what I like about him. Its just something. Im not sure. He is really cute though and really funny. He is such a jerk though giggles”.

Now I have gotten makeouts just based on jerk behavior. This is because women often get caught up in the moment especially with aggressive and charming men. But when it comes to actual sex they snap back to their senses and remember that they actually don’t like me on a visceral level.

 

[zekko]

Nobody likes a jerk. But you can build some attraction and/or rapport by saying and doing some obnoxious and jerky things - as long as you do it in a joking manner. Then it becomes fun and playful teasing, which girls can't resist. But you have to do it with humor - you are not ACTUALLY being a jerk. There can be some doubt about whether or not you are serious - but there should at least be some suggestion that it is a joke.

 

[Tenacity]

Dude my and my boys were talking about this the other day lol. These are roughly our numbers also. For every 20 girls we seriously try to get, we usually end up smashing 1. My numbers are about 5% or 1 per 20 also. Its like sales man. Once you look at it as a numbers game its kinda difficult to see the "romantic" side of dating again.

Right, it's very similar to how you would handle a Sales pipeline. When you do the basic work on yourself in terms of Attraction and you go out there and consistently meet women, you should be a "statistical" player in no time, which I define as spinning at least 3 plates of women that are at least a 5 and above.

I say the women should be at least a 5 and above because, some guys might even consider her a 6 or some might consider her a 4, but the bottom line is that a girl with at least that level of attraction isn't one that usually is desperate to date/fvck just "anybody," which would discredit your "abilities" to attract a decently quality woman.

I really don't think guys should focus on what category of guy they are in, what I think you should focus on is being the BEST YOU can be and continue improving yourself in the areas of your Finances, your Looks, your Attitude, your Conversation/Charisma/Personality, your Car, and your Apartment/House. I believe as a guy continues to get older, he should be making more money and he should be smarter about life as a whole. All of those are things that add to your Attraction.

The reason I say not to focus on what category of guy you are in, is because to be honest.....it's really all subjective anyway and you have no control over what people might categorize you as. To some people you might be an A.sshole, to some people you might be Alpha, to some people you might be a Simp lol. Some people see me as Arrogant as hell, others see me as a guy with Leader qualities, some people think I'm a piece of shyt and want to beat the hell out of me when they see me lol.

Also another note, things I've noticed in my personal life and also with other guys as well, women that are usually a 7.5 and above or an 8 and above, are usually HARD to deal with in terms of their high maintenance. It's like you have to do a lot of hoop jumping to fvck those chicks and sometimes it's just not worth it.

My sweet spot is the chick that's a 5 - 7, or about a solid 6, that's my sweet spot.

 

[Pandora]

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a girl doesnt have to like you one bit as a person or a human being to wanna fvck you.

atrraction and arousal are 2 very different things.

she can hate your fuking guts for how you treat other people and make her feel sub human, but that wont stop her canoe from hemorrhaging a leak.

on the flip side, you might be into high fashion, have a nice expensive ride and a fresh clean cut look and this will all be VERY attractive to chicks, so much so that they wont risk losing you as a potential provider by sleeping with you too soon or at all.

heres another thing

the "jerk" thing has been done to death but its worth revisiting if only to slap some sense into game deniers and confused n00bs.

what a man defines as a "jerk" is very different from what a female defines as a jerk

1)when a woman is head over heels for you, you can get away with almost anything.

2) all women love a man with a rebel streak (to varying degrees)

3) some guys are so conditioned to the default supplication, apologist, placating model of dealing with women that anything in the opposite direction can be viewed as being a "jerk". no. it just means you have a backbone and know how to deal with womens antics and games.

when people say that girls like "jerks" all it really means is that they like guys who are at the very least a little badass. some women are happily in love with their husbands of 20 years who know just how to tease her and when to say NO to her and some women like real Gs who have done hard time. to every degree though, you cant handle your women without some backbone.

being a jerk (as defined by a man) doesnt always mean you have to treat people like shlt and be a doosh to attract women (although you still can and its better to be a doosh than a "nice" guy if you had to choose) it just means knowing how to stand up for yourself.

i consider myself a true nice guy and so are most of my "natural" alpha friends. i will help someone in need when its in my power. i give genuine compliments without thinking twice about it, i have great manners and do my best to behave myself most of the time but i wont hesitate to crack somebody in the jaw if arguing comes to blows and i have no problem telling the women in my life when theyre fvcking up with me and what i think about them. and like everyone else i also have dark thoughts and crude opinions of the world around me and i swear like a sailor. i talk shlt and shout when i play sports and call my friends names all the time and ill stab somebody in the front if they deserve it.

i just consider this being a male, some might call that being a "jerk" though

i dont believe women like you in SPITE of jerkboy sexiness, i think its the main component to the arousal they feel. so to summarize, you can be the most laziest, most irreverent, offensive tool who looks like he hasnt showered in a couple days, (all unattractive qualities) but as long as you've got some swag and dont apologize for your existence, you will definitely be turning some women on enough to wanna fvck you.

I can respect this post. I see where your coming from man. I actually agree now.


"when people say that girls like "jerks" all it really means is that they like guys who are at the very least a little badass. some women are happily in love with their husbands of 20 years who know just how to tease her and when to say NO to her and some women like real Gs who have done hard time. to every degree though, you cant handle your women without some backbone."

Ok fair enough. I guess i was just arguing degrees. You are right though. Women want their men at least a little badass. I also agree with the point you make about at least some women being aroused by ridiculously irreverent behavior.

Where i might have been confusing things is the difference between attraction and arousal. Not all women act on their arousal. In fact this is actually a very interesting point. Women with a strong inner sense of respect will not allow themselves to act on arousal if they are aroused by a guy who treats them very badly. I also agree that there are definitely a lot of women who are super aroused by thugs, criminal etc. Good post man