Women don't find sex intimate

[Pandora]

A women loses her innocence when she disconnects sex from intimacy. These two concepts are correlated to each other but they are not immediately casual. A woman can give you her body but not give you her mind. This is why prostitutes, casual daters and pornstars can survive having sex with so many men. They disconnect from their emotions. It is all pleasure no feeling.

Many women actually find the post sex part the most intimate. The more promiscuous the female, the more she values the post sex "after care". She has done sex so many times that it has become just a mechanical act for her. Many do not even orgasm from sex anymore. Sex actually acts like a shield for real intimacy.

An old pimp told me that if you want a woman to fall in love with you fukk her mind and don't worry too much about the body. Where the mind goes the body will follow.

If you want to make meaningful connections with your females learn to be want she wants emotionally. This does not mean be a beta simp doormat. It means that you have to learn how to make her feel safe and protected. Learn how to seduce her.

 

[Gamisch]

Women are the gatekeepers of sex. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships.

After you got what you wanted, its time for her to collect what she wants.

" sooo depsite being on my period whatcha doing xyz day? You will be here to watch _ romcom_ with me all fecking day long despite all of your side hustles "?

I agree though. A man who doesn't need a woman for sex has the upperhand. Because he will be gatekeeper of both sex and the relationship, leaving her without any munition to fight with.

Men should try this. Visit a woman (preferably one that's all over you or one you've already dominated sexually) and DON'T make a move. Just as an experiment.

 

[BadBoy89]

An old pimp told me that if you want a woman to fall in love with you fukk her mind

How do you do that?

 

[Divorced w 3]

A women loses her innocence when she disconnects sex from intimacy. These two concepts are correlated to each other but they are not immediately casual. A woman can give you her body but not give you her mind. This is why prostitutes, casual daters and pornstars can survive having sex with so many men. They disconnect from their emotions. It is all pleasure no feeling.

Many women actually find the post sex part the most intimate. The more promiscuous the female, the more she values the post sex "after care". She has done sex so many times that it has become just a mechanical act for her. Many do not even orgasm from sex anymore. Sex actually acts like a shield for real intimacy.

An old pimp told me that if you want a woman to fall in love with you fukk her mind and don't worry too much about the body. Where the mind goes the body will follow.

If you want to make meaningful connections with your females learn to be want she wants emotionally. This does not mean be a beta simp doormat. It means that you have to learn how to make her feel safe and protected. Learn how to seduce her.

You can be strong for her in every way and still continue to have sex though. My girl right now tells me that she feels safe with me, and that’s not necessarily in the defend you on the street kind of way it’s the ‘you listen to me and will respect me’ kind of way. Nonetheless I am positive that if I stopped the physical intimacy she would develop a complex. To me it’s somewhere about the entire person and don’t make her a sex object, and to be honest that’s always been a challenge for me so I am impressed she is telling me what she is.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Although a good post and some good points.
Safe and protected has a diminishing return that can lead to stagnation and boredom which is the female death sentence.
The baseline I go by is dont be boring.
She will get bored with safe and protected.
Give her emotional highs and lows.

Like so many things in life, keep an air of unpredictability

 

[Gamisch]

I often agree with you but this is only at the beginning. After a few months the latter must be flipped.
Rrlationship maintnence is on her. Without telling her but by her actions and work.
At this point you bang her when you want to.
The cat and mouse of this is only when you first meet

Yeah thats why i really @kavi his post about drama. His take was that drama is a good thing and should be instigated by the man. Felt kinda contradicting, but makes sense. Sometimes we say we want a drama free life and wife, but it doesn't work like that. I experimented with this while also looking back at past interactions with women. Most women simply laugh when a man can't handle a dramatic situation. "Nervous laughter " is how they'll call it.

You have a good point though. Relationship maintenance is on her

 

[kavi]

Yeah its kinda messed up but you do need those emotional highs and lows. Think about a hot chick, she can go on expensive dates with different high smv guys, can get ****ed by anyone she wants, etc. The only thing differentiating men to women is just the emotional highs and lows. You probably dont need to keep the emotional drama throughout the relationship but when the emotions get high you will have to know how to handle it and make sure it affects her more than you or atleast equally. If she can emotionally **** with you while being unaffected then she will lose interest.

The only way to 'get' a girl, to be the 'one', the 'pimp', the 'alpha' whatever there is no other way than giving those emotional highs and lows and for that well you better be really strong and resilient to stress cos you cannot do just one way so it is gonna affect you aswell.

Most men spend too much time and energy interacting with women where it mostly just time spent together without those emotions, men aming to shoot high or improve with women really need to try and become efficient at developing these emotional experiences and tbh they dont come from going on dates, sex, talking alot or spending lots of time together but they usually come from short intense interactions with lots of time inbetween. In these cases the amount work, time and money spent is low but the timespan is longer and the stress and emotional involvement from you is higher too.

 

[Pandora]

Yeah its kinda messed up but you do need those emotional highs and lows. Think about a hot chick, she can go on expensive dates with different high smv guys, can get ****ed by anyone she wants, etc. The only thing differentiating men to women is just the emotional highs and lows. You probably dont need to keep the emotional drama throughout the relationship but when the emotions get high you will have to know how to handle it and make sure it affects her more than you or atleast equally. If she can emotionally **** with you while being unaffected then she will lose interest.

The only way to 'get' a girl, to be the 'one', the 'pimp', the 'alpha' whatever there is no other way than giving those emotional highs and lows and for that well you better be really strong and resilient to stress cos you cannot do just one way so it is gonna affect you aswell.

Most men spend too much time and energy interacting with women where it mostly just time spent together without those emotions, men aming to shoot high or improve with women really need to try and become efficient at developing these emotional experiences and tbh they dont come from going on dates, sex, talking alot or spending lots of time together but they usually come from short intense interactions with lots of time inbetween. In these cases the amount work, time and money spent is low but the timespan is longer and the stress and emotional involvement from you is higher too.

Wow you guys are teaching me something. So you guys are saying that you need to be able to endure and entertain a certain amount of drama?

I only try to give positive emotions. I am usually really funny to them, I listen, i get them hooked via that way.

I am allergic to negative low vibration situations. I hate yelling and drama etc. According to you guys there is a certain amount of toxicity that a man must provoke in order to keep the girl interested. Hmmmm....interesting.

The hot girls I dated sure seem to agree. One actually said that she " enjoys fighting sometimes".

You guys are expanding my mind on this topic. Very interesting.

 

[Gamisch]

Wow you guys are teaching me something. So you guys are saying that you need to be able to endure and entertain a certain amount of drama?

I only try to give positive emotions. I am usually really funny to them, I listen, i get them hooked via that way.

I am allergic to negative low vibration situations. I hate yelling and drama etc. According to you guys there is a certain amount of toxicity that a man must provoke in order to keep the girl interested. Hmmmm....interesting.

The hot girls I dated sure seem to agree. One actually said that she " enjoys fighting sometimes".

You guys are expanding my mind on this topic. Very interesting.

Its actually liberating to add this philosophy to your arsenal as a man. Because it makes you view drama completely different. I am like you. I usually hate low vibration/drama like situations. On the other hand i ditch a woman if she aint a "bad bytch".

Any woman hb7 and up will have a certain amount of entitlement that needs to be nipped in the bud.

But let me ask you this; how did always being positive work for you so far? Was it as rewarding as you thought? Or was there always this moment when you felt like: despite my constant positive attitude she completely ignores my positivity and even escalates forcefully towards a rather negative outcome. E.g everything goes smooth ,no drama no negativity. Then suddenly you feel like she's sh1ttesting you outta nowhere. A bigger sh1ttest, one you have to respond to with a strong statement.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Wow you guys are teaching me something. So you guys are saying that you need to be able to endure and entertain a certain amount of drama?

I only try to give positive emotions. I am usually really funny to them, I listen, i get them hooked via that way.

I am allergic to negative low vibration situations. I hate yelling and drama etc. According to you guys there is a certain amount of toxicity that a man must provoke in order to keep the girl interested. Hmmmm....interesting.

The hot girls I dated sure seem to agree. One actually said that she " enjoys fighting sometimes".

You guys are expanding my mind on this topic. Very interesting.

Don’t be negative, ever. You can be ****y and funny sometimes but even sarcasm in an uncontrolled or elongated way is going to come back and bite you. Unless you have to defend yourself or your loved ones you should always be calm, positive and always keep your character paramount. Just keep an air of unpredictability.

 

[Redwood]

Wow you guys are teaching me something. So you guys are saying that you need to be able to endure and entertain a certain amount of drama?

I only try to give positive emotions. I am usually really funny to them, I listen, i get them hooked via that way.

I am allergic to negative low vibration situations. I hate yelling and drama etc. According to you guys there is a certain amount of toxicity that a man must provoke in order to keep the girl interested. Hmmmm....interesting.

The hot girls I dated sure seem to agree. One actually said that she " enjoys fighting sometimes".

You guys are expanding my mind on this topic. Very interesting.

I'm in the same boat here. It takes a huge toll on just about anyone.

 

[kavi]

Drama is not the same as toxicity tho they are related. Another name for drama could emotional meaning. Drama is what provides meaning.

Don't cofuse this type of drama with toxiticitu like the toxic drama of a couple divorcing and fighting for the kids and assets. Thats not the drama im talking about.

The drama im talking about should happen right from the beginning of the interaction and they stabilise over time.

This drama is just suspense and emotional investment from the woman. Her initial drama will be caused by female game like making you chase or not responding to txt or **** testing.

The level of initial emotional intensity and 'drama' is directly correlated with attraction. The higher her attraction and IL the more drama she is gonna cause.

If there is no 'drama' at the beginning and things are too smooth then imo the relationship likely wont last and she will lose interest over time.

 

[Gamisch]

I'm in the same boat here. It takes a huge toll on just about anyone.

If you think about it; no sane man (on sosuave at least) thinks when he meets a baddie that it will be just fun and games. There will most definitely be some hurdles along the road.

You know that sooner or later she'll display tons of dark traits. Dark energy will be present in your life. It's naive and even damaging to believe it wil be a smooth, effortless ride.

I wished I implemented this philosophy way sooner. Might've been a way to keep the upperhand. Instead of trying to "tame" a bad bytch and feel hurt when she's sh1ttesting the feck out of me.

 

[Barrister]

You can be strong for her in every way and still continue to have sex though. My girl right now tells me that she feels safe with me, and that’s not necessarily in the defend you on the street kind of way it’s the ‘you listen to me and will respect me’ kind of way. Nonetheless I am positive that if I stopped the physical intimacy she would develop a complex. To me it’s somewhere about the entire person and don’t make her a sex object, and to be honest that’s always been a challenge for me so I am impressed she is telling me what she is.

Give it another 3-4 months. Then it will be "you never listen to what I say and don't respect me!" Not that you will be doing anything different than you are now. It's just how they work.

 

[Barrister]

Wow you guys are teaching me something. So you guys are saying that you need to be able to endure and entertain a certain amount of drama?

I only try to give positive emotions. I am usually really funny to them, I listen, i get them hooked via that way.

I am allergic to negative low vibration situations. I hate yelling and drama etc. According to you guys there is a certain amount of toxicity that a man must provoke in order to keep the girl interested. Hmmmm....interesting.

The hot girls I dated sure seem to agree. One actually said that she " enjoys fighting sometimes".

You guys are expanding my mind on this topic. Very interesting.

In my experience, most hot women (HB 8+), tend to be Cluster B. Probably due to the immense quantities of validation they have been given just based on their looks their entire lives. And what do Cluster B types generally thrive on in relationships? Conflict.

So yes, hot women generally speaking, IMO, enjoy drama and like the rollercoaster of emotions that comes with it. If you are in an LTR with a hot woman, basically expect it. Almost all of them are in states of low vibration. Your best weapons against them are silence & distance and dread game. But I agree 100% it gets exhausting to deal with.

 

[Pandora]

In my experience, most hot women (HB 8+), tend to be Cluster B. Probably due to the immense quantities of validation they have been given just based on their looks their entire lives. And what do Cluster B types generally thrive on in relationships? Conflict.

So yes, hot women generally speaking, IMO, enjoy drama and like the rollercoaster of emotions that comes with it. If you are in an LTR with a hot woman, basically expect it. Almost all of them are in states of low vibration. Your best weapons against them are silence & distance and dread game. But I agree 100% it gets exhausting to deal with.

Man I totally agree with this. I was thinking this today. Most of the dramatic toxic relationships are with hot girls.

I asked my girl about this topic today. This is the conversation.

Her: laughs and says " yes drama is like spice. It adds spice"

Her: " you can do it if you know that your bf will never leave. With you I cant do it anymore because you will leave me. I guess I am not that lucky".

The times we broke up for a month or two was because of her high conflict behavior. It was not me even being tough. I just could not handle the conflicts because of my mental health issues. That stuff detoeriates my mental health.

This confirms what you guys are writing.

 

[Pandora]

Much like men need an outlet for violent tendencies in the form of violent video games, combat sports etc...women need and outlet for their dramatic tendencies. This is why they watch drama filled shows and reality tv.

This is my best guess as to why some girls love drama. It can also be a combination of what @Barrister said about hot girls getting validation no matter how badly they behave. It could be a little bit of both.

 

[Pandora]

How do you do that?

The older I get the easier it is for me. This is because I become wiser in human psychology the older I get.

Each girl is different i suppose but there are basic fundamentals that I use. It is very simple. I just listen. I act like I care ( which I do) and I hear what they say.

I let them vent. I ask them deep questions about themselves etc. You would be surprised how many women bond with you if they think that you really care about them. People just want to be heard.

If she thinks you are the slightest bit cute then you got her. Boom.....often times they will get addicted to talking to you. Dont be the slightest bit funny because then its really over.

The best seducers are guys like Joe Rogan. Not because of his status but because he is such a good listener that people connect with him. Most of charisma is making people feel heard.

 

[Redwood]

If you think about it; no sane man (on sosuave at least) thinks when he meets a baddie that it will be just fun and games. There will most definitely be some hurdles along the road.

You know that sooner or later she'll display tons of dark traits. Dark energy will be present in your life. It's naive and even damaging to believe it wil be a smooth, effortless ride.

I wished I implemented this philosophy way sooner. Might've been a way to keep the upperhand. Instead of trying to "tame" a bad bytch and feel hurt when she's sh1ttesting the feck out of me.

Lower tier women aren't too far off as well.

 

[Pandora]

Lower tier women aren't too far off as well.

Exactly. Anything 6 and above is gonna be a handful. Heck now a days even ugly chicks have domineering high conflict personalities.