Women chase losers and could care less about how much money you make

[homie]

I find it ironic that the users here who are most vocal about the importance of wealth and are most adamant about pushing their ego investments onto other people are also the guys who complain most about market quality and are most opposed to cold approach

And also are most active posters on the forum lol

 

[Trainwreck]

Er, I'd say fame trumps everything for men..

The college guys I knew that got most of the girls were white athletes, the most networked/popular frat guys, guys in jobs like bar-tending, good looking independent men that hosted parties, had access to drugs, and etc. Joining fraternity or Tinder definitely helped the average man though.

 

[bigneil]

If you look around, you will easily see that hot women mostly date douchebags, scumbags, drug addicts, and other guys with little or no money.

Wait, whose side are you on??

 

[bigneil]

This thread is like the unemployment line.

 

[BeTheChange]

I find it ironic that the users here who are most vocal about the importance of wealth and are most adamant about pushing their ego investments onto other people are also the guys who complain most about market quality and are most opposed to cold approach (and aren't dating 18-21 y/o's since you won't find those at your work or in your social circle and they'll filter you out on OLD because her rational mind would never tell her she would be attracted to a guy 10-15 years older than herself).

I get it that a lot of you guys are in your 30's and have invested the entirety of your adult life in the pursuit of money--and not just for the joy of the pursuit but because you were socially conditioned to think that Money + Success = Pvssy. And it will from time to time, since girls need Provisioning, too (especially by the time you find them at 27 on POF). But you also have to think in terms of Sunk Cost Fallacy. If you aren't living the lifestyle you want, then why TF should any of us feel the need to emulate your life goals or validate those decisions lol.

Don't get me wrong, money is nice, if you're using it to serve you. If you're using it to qualify for girls' desires or to feel good about yourself, well....

A couple questions for the Money/Status guys. In the average hospital, who do you think gets more tail--lead surgeons or male night nurses? In any given bar/restaurant, who gets more tail--the bus boy or the professional guys who come in once a week and leave fat tips and get excited cause a girl agrees to give him her number & take her out to lunch. In a strip club, who gets more tail--the bouncer or the guy throwing stacks or buying her a smart phone or cosigning her car because of some sob story? Have none of you ever fvcked a female superior at any job ever? If so, how is this possible? Finally, at what point in presex convo with an 18-21 does your line of work even come up? Hint--it doesn't unless you're so boring she is stuck in a logical head space. If it does come up, who is she that you need to even give her a real glimpse into your life?

Now I agree with @guru1000 that wealth is generally pretty important to holding frame in a LTR. But even then, it's less essential than giving her strong emotional reactions.

But as far as getting her in your frame to begin with (i.e. Attraction), BEHAVIOR IS EVERYTHING. Objective status means nothing; status without actions that convey high status, and you're still going home holding your **** and complaining that girls only go for losers. Actions that convey high status (or even a total disregard for social hiearchy's in general), and it doesn't matter if you bring her back to the biggest sh1t hole apartment in the world. She'll rationalize any given set of facts to fit her impression of you. Oh, well, yeah, he rides a garbage truck but he recorded a mixtapes 2 years ago--he's just artistic lol.

It's not rocket science. It's consistent & predictable. Of course, you could also swing for 25-27 y/o who are all looking to settle down and compare the utilitarian pros/cons of their respective husbands with their friends--those girls will fvck you for access to your status. Have fun, if that's your thing.

QFT. Agree 100%.

In an age where women can provide for themselves money only matters at extremely low or extremely high levels.

Money is still great. Anyone who thinks money doesn't buy happiness isnt spending it in the right way. However if you're making money principally for women you're doing it wrong.

 

[SteR]

The college guys I knew that got most of the girls were white athletes, the most networked/popular frat guys, guys in jobs like bar-tending, good looking independent men that hosted parties, had access to drugs, and etc. Joining fraternity or Tinder definitely helped the average man though.

In the real world you're probably right. But I imagine if you put someone like Chris Hemsworth into the mix, he'd be walking away with your girls..

 

[Infern0]

In the real world you're probably right. But I imagine if you put someone like Chris Hemsworth into the mix, he'd be walking away with your girls..

Good thing i'm not competing for the same women as chris hemsworth then....

come on man, be sensible.

 

[Mike32ct]

Looks aside, the more "clean cut" and responsible a man is, the more money he has to earn to "compensate" for the fact that he's not a druggie/ex con.

It's very twisted but true.

 

[Urbanyst]

You guys aren't looking at this correctly: You're comparing apples and oranges.

Take an average guy, he may have moderate success with women. Take that same guy and make him a millionaire and then see what happens.

You can't say either you become wealthy or you become good looking and good at game - they're not mutually exclusive. You should be expanding in all directions ie. working on looks, game, dress, fitness, wealth yada yada.. you don't have to pick one or the other.

This seems to be a cyclical topic on these forums: "You can't just be wealthy and expect to get hot women", "You can't just be good looking and expect to get hot women", "You can't just have a six pack and expect to get women" etc. You don't just pick one attribute and expect to gain success just from that.. it's about the combined package.

No one EVER said money is the only factor. We have said money is a MAJOR factor.

People on this forum have severe reading comprehension limitations. Me, @Tenacity and @bigneil proved our points a lot time ago. Blue pill guys who don't want to accept reality keep trying to spin what we say to protect their egos because they don't want to acknowledge the importance of MONEY.

Its getting sad at this point.

 

[Thechamp]

So Miranda Kerr super model one of the most beautiful women in the world was with Orlando bloom, dumps him for a richer guy with more power
james packer, and, now is with a richer guy owns snap chat fame money power . I disagree with the op

https://www.google.com.au/amp/elitedaily.com/money/entrepreneurship/chase-women-chase-money/amp/

Dress sharp act ****y rich great car massive house throw parties I'm sure you would get laid like a rockstar

 

[Infern0]

No one EVER said money is the only factor. We have said money is a MAJOR factor.

People on this forum have severe reading comprehension limitations. Me, @Tenacity and @bigneil proved our points a lot time ago. Blue pill guys who don't want to accept reality keep trying to spin what we say to protect their egos because they don't want to acknowledge the importance of MONEY.

Its getting sad at this point.

So if they don't agree with you they are "blue pill guys"

Check your ego dude it's embarrassing

you heard me i said EMBARRASING

 

[Infern0]

I saw a woman that looks like her except younger with a totally average guy just yesterday

he probably had loadsa money

it's all that matters you know

 

[Solomon]

I find it ironic that the users here who are most vocal about the importance of wealth and are most adamant about pushing their ego investments onto other people are also the guys who complain most about market quality and are most opposed to cold approach (and aren't dating 18-21 y/o's since you won't find those at your work or in your social circle and they'll filter you out on OLD because her rational mind would never tell her she would be attracted to a guy 10-15 years older than herself).

I get it that a lot of you guys are in your 30's and have invested the entirety of your adult life in the pursuit of money--and not just for the joy of the pursuit but because you were socially conditioned to think that Money + Success = Pvssy. And it will from time to time, since girls need Provisioning, too (especially by the time you find them at 27 on POF). But you also have to think in terms of Sunk Cost Fallacy. If you aren't living the lifestyle you want, then why TF should any of us feel the need to emulate your life goals or validate those decisions lol.

Don't get me wrong, money is nice, if you're using it to serve you. If you're using it to qualify for girls' desires or to feel good about yourself, well....

A couple questions for the Money/Status guys. In the average hospital, who do you think gets more tail--lead surgeons or male night nurses? In any given bar/restaurant, who gets more tail--the bus boy or the professional guys who come in once a week and leave fat tips and get excited cause a girl agrees to give him her number & take her out to lunch. In a strip club, who gets more tail--the bouncer or the guy throwing stacks or buying her a smart phone or cosigning her car because of some sob story? Have none of you ever fvcked a female superior at any job ever? If so, how is this possible? Finally, at what point in presex convo with an 18-21 does your line of work even come up? Hint--it doesn't unless you're so boring she is stuck in a logical head space. If it does come up, who is she that you need to even give her a real glimpse into your life?

Now I agree with @guru1000 that wealth is generally pretty important to holding frame in a LTR. But even then, it's less essential than giving her strong emotional reactions.

But as far as getting her in your frame to begin with (i.e. Attraction), BEHAVIOR IS EVERYTHING. Objective status means nothing; status without actions that convey high status, and you're still going home holding your **** and complaining that girls only go for losers. Actions that convey high status (or even a total disregard for social hiearchy's in general), and it doesn't matter if you bring her back to the biggest sh1t hole apartment in the world. She'll rationalize any given set of facts to fit her impression of you. Oh, well, yeah, he rides a garbage truck but he recorded a mixtapes 2 years ago--he's just artistic lol.

It's not rocket science. It's consistent & predictable. Of course, you could also swing for 25-27 y/o who are all looking to settle down and compare the utilitarian pros/cons of their respective husbands with their friends--those girls will fvck you for access to your status. Have fun, if that's your thing.

This guy gets it....

This argument was around back in 2010,2011,2012 and hell before that.
I know broke guys who get hot girls
I know blue collar guy who get hot girls
I know college guys who get hot girls
I know regular guys who get hot girls
I know rich guys who DON'T SPEND A DIME AND GET HOT GIRLS
and I know Rich guys who trick OFF and spend money on HOT GIRLS

Which Guy are you?

 

[Tenacity]

No one EVER said money is the only factor. We have said money is a MAJOR factor.

People on this forum have severe reading comprehension limitations. Me, @Tenacity and @bigneil proved our points a lot time ago. Blue pill guys who don't want to accept reality keep trying to spin what we say to protect their egos because they don't want to acknowledge the importance of MONEY.

Its getting sad at this point.

Yes, it's getting both sad and pathetic, it just goes to show the state of "men" today. You actually start promoting that they get off their lazy a.sses and workout, eat right, and make some money......then they all in unison start talking about:

"What, what, what! You don't need money to get a woman! Stop it!"

"What, what, what! I'm broke and sleep on an HB8's couch playing Xbox all day while she works!"

"What, what, what! I have a 40% bodyfat percentage and I pull HB9s!"

"What, what, what! How dare you say this crap Tenacity? Stop trying to actually challenge me to make something of my life and let me continue being a broke bum with a negative net worth!"

Not at one time did I dismiss the importance of social skills and personality aspects, I actually said that building money and building your body.....many times......can allow you to automatically acquire social skills and personality related skills just from the FIRE you had to go through.

Why don't you guys just admit it that you're too lazy to go out there and build at least a Middle Class lifestyle for yourself, with a decent net worth? Just say that and stop with the random ramblings about a chick fvcking a LOSER....we all know American Women are retarded, but what does that have to do with YOU acquiring money so YOU can live a better life??

 

[homie]

Why don't you guys just admit it that you're too lazy to go out there and build at least a Middle Class lifestyle for yourself, with a decent net worth?

You know, some dudes here just want to get some p*ssy easily, that's why we are here in the first place.

 

[Tenacity]

You know, some dudes here just want to get some p*ssy easily, that's why we are here in the first place.

Lol dude, I'm talking about your quality of life here....not "pvssy".

- Yes, I know, American Women fvck thugs, bums, losers, and dudes with 45% bodyfat.

- American women left on this market are damn retarded, why in the hell are we using them as some sort of "measuring stick" for what's right and wrong lol?

- Question: I asked this before but it went unanswered by you guys. American women today are also fvckin gay and bisexual men.....so are you guys going to next start running around talking about being "straight" isn't a requirement? I mean after all, ol' boy takes dyck and he has an HB8

 

[homie]

Lol dude, I'm talking about your quality of life here....not "pvssy".

- Yes, I know, American Women fvck thugs, bums, losers, and dudes with 45% bodyfat.

- American women left on this market are damn retarded, why in the hell are we using them as some sort of "measuring stick" for what's right and wrong lol?

- Question: I asked this before but it went unanswered by you guys. American women today are also fvckin gay and bisexual men.....so are you guys going to next start running around talking about being "straight" isn't a requirement? I mean after all, ol' boy takes dyck and he has an HB8

Then I just don't get the point of the arguement.
After all there are no "requirements" in life, everybody just live their own lifes.
As for girls - game gets them, lines, frame, kino, all that stuff, not money.
PS I am not even american

 

[Tenacity]

As for girls - game gets them, lines, frame, kino, all that stuff, not money.

Games gets them, pickup lines get them, kino gets them, MONEY gets them, having a little dyck gets them, having a big dyck gets them, being straight gets them, being GAY gets them, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Women will fvck Ol' DAWG and they will also fvck Barack Obama.......now YOU choose who you would rather model yourself after because American women will still fvck you regardless.

I don't know about you, but I'm not about to model myself after no fvcking Ol' Dawg lmao.

 

[fastlife]

Yes, because most of us are patriarchal men. We are natural leaders. Naturally masculine. We blaze our own trail. We build our own ship and expect a woman to JOIN us on it.

In that regard we are very old-school, as the new market has women looking to dominate men and men running around saying power, money, and influence doesn't mean shyt because a dominant/feminist female (who is seeking power) is fvcking them (because they don't threaten her power ploy).

LOL. No, pretty sure you're not at all patriarchal. Patriarchy, primarily, is an economic model, wherein men have exclusive property rights & inheritance goes through the sons, primarily the first born. That model & locus of control drove a wide set of more enforceable behaviors--none of which are in place today, aside from what you can get women to buy into (Game).

Almost every guy here (and, looking at the divorce rate in general, most guys here didn't have consistent access to great male role models, certainly not a patriarch. Conversely, most of us, I'd venture, have mommy issues to sort out as well. Being a patriarch requires a family line. Good luck to any guy here who has that as his primary goal.

Dude I'll be 34 in August, I'm not dating anybody that young. 24 or 25 is the youngest it's going for me. 18 - 21 is kind of sick and plus, what kind of conversation am I supposed to have with a 19 year old? That's disgusting lol.

And you're a patriarch? LOL. A patriarch who's disgusted by the girls he's biologically programmed to be attracted to.

And the quality of conversation you can have with a 19 y/o who's attracted to you is pretty much the exact same as you can have with girls of any age--up until they hit menopause and then you can have unexciting, logical, & often highly insightful convos to your heart's content. Attraction makes conversation fun & engaging. Save the content for your bros. But IME 18 & 19 y/o's, aside from that, typically have more varied interests and experiences she can talk about with a potential mate than girls in the 22-25 y/o range. Less exposure to the validation drug and a life that hasn't revolved around the CC the past however many years.

I'm glad you used the word "invested" because that's exactly what it was....an investment, that's paying off today. Compare this to guys who "waste" their youth and end up knocking up one or multiple chicks, being saddled with child support and other related bills?

Well, if neither of y'all are happy, he's more biologically successful.

Tenacity focused hard on making money so I could get my black a.ss out of the ghetto/hood/homeless situation I was in. PVSSY was the farthest from my mind.

And you're out the hood. So when are you going to let go of a mindset that no longer serves its purpose? Are you just going to live a life driven by scarcity & feelings of inferiority, even when that scarcity & inferiority is no longer present in your life? I know, you're going to say something like Oh @Tenacity doesn't feel inferior to anyone. But most of your posts are in reaction--to women, to the market, to other poster's opinions of you.

Ego's a b1tch.

Which further proves my point that most women of today's market are retarded lol. Only a retarded bytch would make such a rationalization and only a retarded bytch would entertain a grown a.ss man who is a bum.

Read some literature. Women, especially young, when left to their own guidance & attraction is involved, have been making retarded rationalizations for centuries. Used to be a well known truth.

Here's some Chaucer from 600 years ago if you want his take on what men can respect from women in regards to equalism (ignore the happy ended tacked on to Franklin's Tale:
http://ummutility.umm.maine.edu/necastro/chaucer/translation/ct/13frant.html
http://ummutility.umm.maine.edu/necastro/chaucer/translation/ct/10clt.html

 

[bigneil]

Men accuse me of using money to get women.

They say because I've dated strippers they must be hookers.

How do they explain my having a date with a 24 year old HB8 waitress tonight, who I met last Friday 20 minutes after my girlfriend cancelled last minute (consensus said that was my own fault)? Hint: the waitress saw me on a date with my girlfriend and knew I was for real. You can pay a hooker but you can't trick other women into thinking you didn't pay. Other women will know. I think they have a certain signal they give. Note, I'm back with my girlfriend but will still go on this date. Why? It will turn my girlfriend on to know I can pull other women as hot as she is.

It's not just money or looks. Picking up women requires that a man pass one HUNDRED tests!