Women at Work

[Buddha_Mind]

Backbreaker -- I totally see where you are coming from and acknowledge your experiences. I really have to say, at least 8 times out of 10, it seems that soured work relationships end in the scorn of one person or another, in worse enough cases likely one person leaves.

I suppose for most people it is very difficult, because they are around that same opposite gendered person for hours and hours a day, sometimes in close quarters...for those looking there is a sort of fishing around occurring, looking within the working sphere for a partner.

But yes this can blow up.

I definitely have to be monitoring myself...and I certainly am guilty of overthinking.

 

[Greasy Pig]

I'm currently in a living hell as a result of a workplace romance.
To make things worse, her mum is my immediate superior at work AND she knows about us and knows that we recently broke up.
It hasn't been too bad. The chick works in a different department so I don't see much of her but it's awkward when I have to deal with her mother about some work issue.
Luckily, the chick told me her mum is on my side in all this and thinks she's making a mistake ditching me. So that's good.
But the worst thing is that she ditched me for someone else - not from work as far as I know - and that hurts because I see her walking around the office joking around with co-workers while I'm sitting there feeling like a piece of sh*t and wanting to poke her eyes out.
The last time I felt this way was early last year at my last job in another town. I was dating this girl and then I found out she was sleeping with my boss. How fuked up is that?
So my last two experiences have been really good but then really, really, really fuking sh*tty and painful.
When I was younger though, I banged about seven chicks in my office and managed to come out unscathed.
The common thread in all this is that none or only a very select, trusted few, knew of all this liaisons. It wasn't common knowledge which may have helped.
I wouldn't recommend rooting work chicks but then again, I am a dirty-minded risk taker who gets off on the secrecy and exchanging knowing glances.
I really like the last one and thought we'd make a go of it but she flaked after three months. I know I'll get over it but I start to get really upset when I see her at work.
Your move, bro.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

I'm currently in a living hell as a result of a workplace romance.
To make things worse, her mum is my immediate superior at work AND she knows about us and knows that we recently broke up.
It hasn't been too bad. The chick works in a different department so I don't see much of her but it's awkward when I have to deal with her mother about some work issue.
Luckily, the chick told me her mum is on my side in all this and thinks she's making a mistake ditching me. So that's good.
But the worst thing is that she ditched me for someone else - not from work as far as I know - and that hurts because I see her walking around the office joking around with co-workers while I'm sitting there feeling like a piece of sh*t and wanting to poke her eyes out.
The last time I felt this way was early last year at my last job in another town. I was dating this girl and then I found out she was sleeping with my boss. How fuked up is that?
So my last two experiences have been really good but then really, really, really fuking sh*tty and painful.
When I was younger though, I banged about seven chicks in my office and managed to come out unscathed.
The common thread in all this is that none or only a very select, trusted few, knew of all this liaisons. It wasn't common knowledge which may have helped.
I wouldn't recommend rooting work chicks but then again, I am a dirty-minded risk taker who gets off on the secrecy and exchanging knowing glances.
I really like the last one and thought we'd make a go of it but she flaked after three months. I know I'll get over it but I start to get really upset when I see her at work.
Your move, bro.

I appreciate you sharing your experiences.

Acknowledged man.

I definitely think a mentality of scarcity is why most people date at work -- you are around these people all of the time, and most crash out after and put little effort into going out into the world, or to find the motivation to go out and game some different women.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

Update --

I'm drunk as fvck right now but had to capture this moment & lessons despite any intoxication.

#1. be warned of women at work...mind fvck land.
#2. at the bar tonight -- work crush is there -- has a boyfriend -- gives tell-tale of signs of psycho, am nice guy despite some BS and maintain positive attitude despite warning signs going off internally -- this girl = crazy, me = mad crush; not good, know better, fight symptoms...genuinely don't want to hurt some guy by gaming his LTR...kept it cool, but then realized why this woman does this:

All about the attention.

During our convo maybe I said too much -- believe I can rebound -- but be warned -- women at work = dangerous combination...

if anything be sure to not get fixated or caught-up on one which may damage your career or aspirations, etc...
#3. forum helped me recognize crazy. lots of women = dissatisfied with their relationship and simply desire outside attention. fvcked up. why people play these games is as mysterious as the nature of things. felt high IL but friends and self recognize = *danger will robison, danger will robinson*

A friend of mine says to me, "that woman is crazy and definitely the type of woman who could ruin your career, make **** awkward, and act bat fvcking crazy"...

In my drunken state, all I can say is, "goddamn man you are right"...


*be warned*

Not all work relationships end bad.

But there are many psych0 *****es.

If there is no buffer between you and your work fling ; be warned.

If there is a buffer ; (different departments, floor-levels, etc), maybe go for it but still be warned.

Tonight I feel like this girl is just desiring attention like hell...and if you were to sleep with her you'd be akin to walking onto a land-mine...whose to blame when you get blown to bits?

Did however meet another cutey...tried hard to close, was playing footsie with me, asked for her #, responded, "what for?" and I basically said "to kick it with a woman I have a connection with"... she said, "well I'll be here next weekend maybe I'll see you then"...perhaps a nice let-down on her part...but interesting none the less, will see her next week I hope.

Another lesson: nothing wrong with friends as chicks -- they open doors of cred instantly to other women, and also just having female friends is seeming to draw in other women...

 

[backbreaker]

tried to tell you man lol.

women who go fishing at work, are the lowest of the low quality wise (8 out of 10 times). a woman who has toersort to getting attention/fishing for men at work, means she's not getting what she wants outside of work, which either means she 1. is an attention ***** or 2. bat**** crazy or 3. married /cheating on a BF

this ***** WILL ruin your career if you dated her. there is no iF to it. she's the type of womman that will tell her sob story on how you harrassed her to anyone within ear shot. even if you didn't get in trouble, the peer pressure would be so bad you would have to leave

thenj you have stupid *******s here talking about "i'll talk to them! i'll take what you don't want" be my guest.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

tried to tell you man lol.

women who go fishing at work, are the lowest of the low quality wise (8 out of 10 times). a woman who has toersort to getting attention/fishing for men at work, means she's not getting what she wants outside of work, which either means she 1. is an attention ***** or 2. bat**** crazy or 3. married /cheating on a BF

this ***** WILL ruin your career if you dated her. there is no iF to it. she's the type of womman that will tell her sob story on how you harrassed her to anyone within ear shot. even if you didn't get in trouble, the peer pressure would be so bad you would have to leave

thenj you have stupid *******s here talking about "i'll talk to them! i'll take what you don't want" be my guest.

I agree -- there is almost an entertainment value too on her (a woman in an LTR messing around) part I think, just having something to do while at work.

Have kept my distance so far (from the psych0 -- she sent me an email and I ignored it) and will just have to ignore her and play dumb. Stick to my ****, socialize with everyone evenly and place her in the friend zone entirely -- I socialize with all people evenly, her included, no special treatment.

Literally this girl seems to be just looking for trouble. Fvck that. I'd maybe have fallen for it w/o discussions like this.

 

[Knight's Cross]

Work Romance,
I work with a guy that decided to go down that path. He's in management, she was a Customer Support Rep. They got married, kept working together for awhile, there was too much drama at the office so one of them had to leave. He was the higher paid, so she resigned. Resentment ensued, they had a child....divorce followed. Now she makes his life a living hell. She totally took him to cleaners over child support, maintenance...etc.
Here's whose lost. The kid. They use the child as emotional blackmail against each other. He will never get in front of the debts he has. Of course right after marriage they had to buy a big house, toys, furniture to make wifey happy. Well that was in 2007. Want to guess what the house is worth today? Totally upside down. The silly thing is he kept his sportscar, and continues on the surface to appear wealthy. It's all hollow though.
All started with a office romance.....be warned.
KC

 

[Buddha_Mind]

Work Romance,
I work with a guy that decided to go down that path. He's in management, she was a Customer Support Rep. They got married, kept working together for awhile, there was too much drama at the office so one of them had to leave. He was the higher paid, so she resigned. Resentment ensued, they had a child....divorce followed. Now she makes his life a living hell. She totally took him to cleaners over child support, maintenance...etc.
Here's whose lost. The kid. They use the child as emotional blackmail against each other. He will never get in front of the debts he has. Of course right after marriage they had to buy a big house, toys, furniture to make wifey happy. Well that was in 2007. Want to guess what the house is worth today? Totally upside down. The silly thing is he kept his sportscar, and continues on the surface to appear wealthy. It's all hollow though.
All started with a office romance.....be warned.
KC

Gold man!

ahh!

Fvck these crazy b!tches!

Just to tell you what I'm dealing with here --

I pass this red-head everyday at the office, whether I leave or go to meeting areas, other levels, etc, etc, I pass her continually -- always gives me big smiles and again one time at a meeting she winked at me and smiled..I play dumb..[yes I am attracted to her, yes I say hello and be nice] but I play dumb mostly because honestly I don't know this chick and girls are insane and who knows what her real motivations are, maybe she wants a buddy-buddy male friend (will not be me). Anyways we have some drinks at a work meeting (yes they serve beer where I work during some meetings) and she is leaning up against this post (basically support beams that are visible in the room) towards me (I am leaning on the other side) and I can definitely feel a sort of magnetic pull in her direction -- this could be my attraction to her, because she is definitely very sexy and a writer and I'm attracted to these intellectual creative women -- and I feel some subtle **** going on that I have to just attribute to my own head, but body language definitely can speak for itself. Anyways I try and play dumb, leave work. Goto the bar.

Walk into the bar and she marches right up to me to see the "score" on the TV by the door, she is "creatively writing" in the corner, looking at photos that some hippie-dude who is her "friend" but also "photographs nude models" has given her to write commentary on. I find out for certain amidst conversation she has a long-term boyfriend which is why she moved to this town -- they were "supposed to go skiing all last year" but "never went once", and, "if I ever wanted someone to talk to, or take a walk with, or go skiing with, or go hiking with, to call ME [meaning HER] anytime"...

WTF is that? How do I interpret that? I think to myself, "crazy b!tch, not happy with her relationship, wants to be my 'friend'?"..or wtf" -- I continue talking to her, trying to play dumb, treating her as a friend, interacting with my other friends at the bar -- she leaves and following day right when I pass her desk:

"Hey, what's your email?" -- I give her my work email already putting up barriers mentally from my personal life -- and she says, "I'm going to email you a link to that guy's photography website and you can see what I've written for him -- then you can send me a cool link back!"...

I get the email, all friendly talk, signs it, "-Lace" instead of "-Lacey", her full name ...

I ignore the email.

Website is a dude who'se got all these abstract photos, runs some weird counter-culture-hippy shop, has some photos of chicks silhouetted nude ... me thinks this b!tch is crazy, maybe even banging this guy, or wants to, or who knows what...ignore the email...she walks by keeps looking in my direction, smiles, I give light smiles back, act friendly, act busy, no time for emails!

But yeah man these are HUGE red-flags, and in some ways I bring it on myself through entertaining conversation, if I just ignored her entirely I wouldn't have to interact, but given the nature of our work environment and she's on the same team as me, we have to interact...so I detect subtleties beyond her desire for 'friendship', but must play this smart...meaning act naieve, act distant, but never necessarily treat her negatively, just treat her like everyone else....

Anyways, that's my situation. Another intern in the office keeps wanting to 'hang out' but I see her all around town chilling with other dudes too and no thanks I see what's she's got going on. She's young though and not much of a threat.

This red head though, I could see going ape-sh!t-crazy in a flash.

*danger son, danger* (I need to write this on my hand).

/edit/ and the worst thing is I KNOW that I am immensely attracted to her body and her deep eyes...there are moments of brief sexual fantasy...'what-ifs'...I've had a bit of a mental crush on this chick that has come in waves..but I recognize this is as very dangerous...I stand by (a) chicks with dudes = trouble and (b) this girl could be a psych0. So the issue for me is avoidance, self-restraint, acting in whats in my best long-term interest, and withholding my youthful brash/impulsive nature....fvck! A close friend I've made at work has said as denoted in my drunken post, "dude this chick would try and fvck you over" and I've got to 100% acknowledge and agree with that...

Part of being wise I suppose is sometimes knowing what you may like to do, but recognizing the consequences ahead of time and side-stepping a personal disaster.

Maybe that only fully comes through experience!

 

[Knight's Cross]

Buddha M,
Dude sure I've been there, it's fun to think about. Then the case above like my buddy got himself into occurs. Want to lose it all? Not me, work is work, and play is play. Its been said before, but if you can't find trim outside the office you're not trying. For me I just don't have the time to try right now. Other than the women that are already in my rotation that don't mind limited attention from me.
KC

 

[bam bam]

Keep it simple bud.
A) are you willing to deal with the worst possible situation that can come out from this interaction? It's probably wont be that bad but it's a start to understand what your willing to deal with.
B) How important is your job and moving up in your carrier or where you work at?
C) Nothing worse then having a neighbor who you hate and have to see them every day because you got a little lazy and comfortable.
D) If your asking us what we think some part of you doesn't think this is right, I always go with my first impression on things, if you sit and think too much you talk yourself into confusion.
E) (Proceed with caution with this advice) You can **** women at work, but you have to be very very socially tuned. I never recommend ****ing co-workers for anyone who isn't socially sharp. If your really socially tuned you can pull it off decently without having to deal with crazy head aches. If your not very sharp you'll just crash and burn eventually, and there's nothing worse then 5 years of turbulence for 10 *** shots on her face. 5 years vs 60 min.
E) Hookers? You can always get one of those every couple of weeks and save yourself the head ache of drama (unless you like it). Some people hate the idea of paying for sex but if your looking to bust a nut keep it simple. If your looking for a LTR then potentially work should be okay anyways because the connection you two have is emasculate.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

Buddha M,
Dude sure I've been there, it's fun to think about. Then the case above like my buddy got himself into occurs. Want to lose it all? Not me, work is work, and play is play. Its been said before, but if you can't find trim outside the office you're not trying. For me I just don't have the time to try right now. Other than the women that are already in my rotation that don't mind limited attention from me.
KC

Knight -- I appreciate these words -- you are correct -- I'm not putting much effort into outside work gaming, I'm so absorbed in working at this place as well as developing my business on the side, and I've been lifting on the most intense regimin of my life that my spare time is so limited. But you are right, I should be out hitting the bars or social places and really putting some serious effort into it -- find something that distracts me from these daydreams. There is definitely some flirtation going on, but neither of us have taken it to another level, and I'm not willing to -- sure I'm attracted to her and bambam, you are totally correct -- too much analysis.

I know my gut reaction -- and I still stand by my view of not banging chicks with boyfriends, I don't want to be in that situation.

Right now I'm pretty sure she just views me as a flirtatious friend, or a kind face, that sort of thing. I don't want it to any further than that.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

PS -- I wanted to add this:

These women are getting off on the attention at work. It's just that simple. Personal anecdote: I reply to the red head's email, you know what she does?

Hangs on to it. Hangs on to my response. Gives me nothing back.

She queues in her inbox these messages, and it's like having some sort of trinket in a box -- "I have this guy's email and I have his attention and I am the woman with the pants deciding if I repsond or not"...

Well, fvck that!

Yes I should not have responded but she looked hurt or something -- so I felt bad -- but then really it's all just a big catch22 -- dam.ned if you do, dam.ned if you don't.

SO -- just DON'T -- because you're da.mned either way.

And yes I can be entirely honest with myself and say she is incredibly attractive to me and I have fantasies...however..I can also be honest and say it would be akin to walking into a war zone...have I slightly pushed the boundaries a bit? Sure. Do I feel a moral sense of wrong? Not entirely because I understand this woman is not entirely happy in her situation -- there are these moments of mental deconstruction and I sort of let my whims get the better of me -- but then when I put my mind back together I see the hazards ahead.

SO -- downside is this chick is in a writing group I'm a part of -- upside is I have kept great self-restraint. Does her presence make me a bit uneasy? YES. But do I have the balls and confidence to just not give a fvck? YES.

Hoohah.

*I know a work romance can lead to pain, I know a woman who is unsatisfied can be a pandora's box of hell* -- I slightly teeter on the edge -- but then I have to step back and say -- "friendzone her and don't give her the power".

Women make life complex enough -- I cannot expect anyone reading this thread to not enter a situation with a woman at work and if there is attraction, not feel tempted by it, maybe not even test it a bit -- but I can say that from those posts here and my own experiences, just fvcking play it safe. If she's the right woman, time will reveal that -- but any hasty action or impulsiveness could be certain death to your own employment well-being, especially if you don't have other employment options, or really genuinely want to move forwards.

More so it is a self reflection point: I need to be working harder and approaching more. I let my lazy ness and my busy days be an excuse for not putting myself out there. So I retreat to moments of heart-ache for past AFC loves, or I retreat to moments of mental-ruminated romance for things that simply cannot be.

This gentleman, I see clearly, is a pathetic point of view.

I need a kick in the @ss -- and a bit of motivation under my belt to really go out and get some approaches in. In a small town like this it won't be easy -- but nothing is -- and I realized right down the road from me is a Catholic Woman's College -- these are all chicks 19-25 who are into Christ ... that's fine .. maybe .. not really .. BUT -- are they all "good girls", or maybe there are some "good girls" there and I wouldn't meet them unless I light a fire under my ass and approach.

Hah -- I had this idea of wearing a beret and grabbing my guitar when the weather warms up and playing in the courtyard by them, haha. In times of work-romance delusion, this is the place to focus my mind.

Man the hardest part of life is just being entirely honest with yourself. I know I have sketched around the edges to a deep spike pit. Haven't I learned my lesson enough by now with the crazy bisches I've seen been with and met?

You'd think so. But my penis tends to disregard any real consequence for the rest of my person -- which is really just selfish.

Anyways, things to consider and an update, and someone if need be, slap me in the face.

--bm.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

Update for myself--avoid work sexual encounters for if they sour negative vibes may ensue. Not needing drama at the workplace. Must abstain from the gorgeous women all around me. Must not try. Must be professional. If a genuine real connection is formed where a woman cares for me deeply than *maybe maybe* consideration -- but self-protective walls must stand. Too many stories of crazy bishes at work bringing their negative drama. Must preserve mental safe places and avoid bringing a snake into your domain.

 

[ilikecharlene]

i wouldn't advise it, but it's not an absolute.

if the woman works in another department, or another branch, why not?

 

[scrouds]

Women's bible college? Just go to church there. You'll be hooking up in no time. One of the manosphere bloggers did an experiment a bit ago with what he termed the sunday morning nightclub.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

Women's bible college? Just go to church there. You'll be hooking up in no time. One of the manosphere bloggers did an experiment a bit ago with what he termed the sunday morning nightclub.

Dude, THANK YOU for bringing this up. I have been touting this again and again that I am betting these chicks at the bible college would be more down than they lead on. Friends have bet me I'm wrong.

"They wouldn't put out -- they're in bible college!"

 

[backbreaker]

I don't understand why you are thinking so much about women while you are at work. that has to be hampering your creativity and productivity. You don't get ahead in life by spending all day long fantasizing about bending the red head at the counter over a table.

I mean look I'm a guy and I get it. we have hormones. But I'm about my paper, fvck the bull****. When I am at work, it's to work and to get one step closer to my financial goals. that's it. when I go home, it's to unwind, to do what cut on backbreaker so to speak.

I can't speak for your situtuation becuase to be frank I've never in my life had a job to where I went to an office and reported to someone else lol, I would be blowing smoke out mjy ass if I were trying to preach office politics and ****.

I remember when I did have my first office and first company, i had 2 phones, a business phone and a personal phone. when I was at work, the personal phone went in the glove compartment of my car. the few people in mjy personal life tht HAD to get ahold of me if something happened.. pretty much my mother and father and little brother, had my business phone. The second I stepped out the office, the business phone went in the glove compartment and the personal phone came out. The 2 people that HAD to get ahold of me from business, had my personal phone number. Arpound that time was around the time I really started toying with the idea of plates, and i had a good 3-4 at a time but when I was at work, i was about work. I paid no attention to the women in the office who were flirting with me, who worked for me mind you. Even at 21 I had more sense than that. You gotta think long term man.

I remember, one really really ****ty day I was having, it was raining outside, we had a batch of F'ed up computers that had to be re built beuc dase they were all left plugged in for testing (we tested the computers by running them overnight, they were very custom computers) and half of them were fried by the thunderstorm the night before, our bank was holding like a 15 thousand dollar merchant payment because of 1 fvcking payment that they didn't like that they thought looked funny, from overseas... and the entire day, my business partner, is acting pissy and doesn't want to do antyhing, mind you he's the actual CEO of the cmpany even though we both owned half the company, beucase his secondarty, who he had been trying to F for the last like 3 months was going out of town for the weekend with this guy. So instead of spending all day dealing with this **** I'm having to spend precious business hours, b abying a dude 4 months older than me beucase he's having a f'n pitty party at work.

don't be that guy. please don't be that guy. go to work to work. leave your work at work.

 

[Slickster]

This is such a lose-lose situation for you Buddha.

Even the best case scenarios are bad.

Even if you had some incredible connection and actually started a relationship with this girl, you are now stuck working with your girlfriend!!! Imagine that for a moment. It would suck!

What about a fcukbuddy relationship? It might seem like a good thing at first but it would end up being the biggest pain in the a$$ imaginable! It would end poorly for sure.

I think a bigger issue you should be considering is the fact that just how much this girl is affecting you. Judging from all your posts in this thread you are quite messed up over her. This is the real issue here. You are getting bent out of shape based on her looks right? It doesn't sound like her personality is attracting you. How would you feel about her if she was merely average? You need to get out there more and approach more women and have other options. When you do this chick won't seem nearly as "special".

I would be checking out that Bible College immediately. In fact I can't believe you haven't already. Not every person who goes to bible school is a total nutbar. Two of the hottest/coolest chicks I know went to bible college and you wouldn't have any clue today.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

Look -- a couple of things.

1. Thanks for the kick in the ass a bit about the feedback -- I get it -- I don't think from Day 1 of writing this post that I haven't gotten it, as I have avoided advances from a few girls at work -- I have put up some barriers and am not seeing anyone from the workplace.

2. I am surrounded by hot nature babes, organic hiking/climbing chicks. It is not always easy to not feel certain emotions of attraction. re: Redhead -- it is a combination of her looks and personality that attract me -- but I completely understand this girl is just a crush, that's it -- there will be nothing with her, there is nothing with her, end of story.

3. I live in a small ass-town where everyone seems to have dated/banged everyone else. I've been sticking to myself mostly aside from a new social group I've made. My male friends here are aware of the same scarcity as I, and it makes things more difficult. Hitting within the workplace is drama -- and as my other post about a going back to a chick after she's gotten around a bit -- it is ensuing on a daily basis. However, thanks for people like you all and this forum and my own self-discipline, I haven't had to worry yet about a drop of female drama at work -- because I've been working to safeguard and meter myself so I don't walk into a situation I'll regret.

4. I come back to this thread to remind myself, sometimes despite my moments of attraction, that although these chicks are cool, and my length of time here is uncertain, its better I keep to myself.

Now - sometimes I wonder if I am missing out on a good life opportunity and learning lesson -- not every chick in this building is of vindictive blood, and it is possible, especially as some have denoted, that chicks from other departments with whom I rarely interact could be enjoyable -- but I hear what you all are saying about even then, unneeded sh!t. So I withdraw. I haven't gone out of my way, or even passively, been hitting on chicks at work.

If I had more time in the day, I'd maybe go out and try and game some women -- but I have been literally obsessive about getting my web biz going, this takes daily constant work, is always on the mind, along with juggling a job and finding time to take care of my body (I started a weight lifting routine 16 weeks ago by which I've increased by weight from 175 to 190, pretty solid, entering into a cut right now to get back down to maybe 180 but keeping new muscle). Because of these things, part of me has, "stopped caring", because by pursuing women I often just add more stress to my life -- and right now the last thing I need is some crazy b!tch throwing my day off kilter.

I have potential plans to move back to Seattle, a place I've been missing for a long time, despite the rain. I feel as though the work I am doing now (business and body) is setting up a good foundation into the future -- as is my lacking the importance or need for females or female attention. Maybe once I get over this hump of *taking care of business* I will have more free time for women directly -- and bigger areas are much easier to find chicks, whereas places like this, truly, make it difficult.

Thus sometimes the dilemma of women at work. But as the weather warms, if I am still here, I am going to spend a bit more time around the girls college and make some friends.

PS -- Slick --
In some ways you are correct, I do have that oneitis-like crush on this chick -- that can distract me -- BUT, I have acted only minimally on it -- as I state above, I get it, I know it's not a real deal -- and you are also correct, other women instantly remove her from my mind. AKA, had a girl spend the night a few weeks ago, had a good kissing session, next day at work was free from all female distractions. It comes most when I am sexually frustrated (the crush that is). So in retrospect and upon reading your post -- Yes, sure this may be the heart of the issue. But I also have a younger chick always asking to spend time with me, and as I denoted in another post about the girl whom sleeps around at the office, her grinding her crotch on my leg. I keep these girls at a distance too (emotional distance). It's cold as hell here now, when the snow melts, more of the catholic girls will be out and about again. Also a very cute girl at the checkout stand at a local supermarket who lived in socal for awhile -- gives me positive IOI's everytime I go in there -- at least a potential for a date -- but then of course if things go sour now I've got a negative vibe at the grocery store! Small towns! Aghhh!!!!!!!

Trying to keep my female-stress low! Women--sometimes such an alluring flower and at the same time a steel trap! Nature loves to be full of riddles!

 

[Buddha_Mind]

Update--still at times the mind drifts in the wrong direction...but I am proud to say 0-female drama at work thus far.

I like.

May not have made some wise decisions if not for feedback from posters here.

Thank you dudes.