Women as an investment

[al77]

Originally posted by scordate

to fight the oneitis, that women are EXPERTS at reading, and (sadly) use against you, you need options

you need options all the way till you really have a relationship with a single one that is LTR-viable

dont believe in having a LTR + others there comes a time when you focus and should focus
unless you want to be a player all your life

if she asks too many questions; time to next her and find a replacement unless you think she has LTR-value

scordate,

I suppor what you said expect the last one: if she asks you questions.. you are gonna dump her? Based on what?
on her desire to be exclusive with you and get a LTR?
I dont get it. If you dont like her and dont see her in LTR - sure, then dump her. But you want to dump her based only on her "too many questions"? I am confused.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by Marcopolo
A "hot" guy-one who had high status/mate value can get chicks relatively easily, i.e. he does not have to work as hard to find good women,

Take the AFC, low social skills, low social/mate status(or even average status). Mr. AFC perhaps goes out of his way, spending endless hours at pickup joints and other places where he hopes to meet women, perhaps spends hundreds of hours over several months writing e-mails to women on the internet, spending gas and time meeting them for "coffee dates" invests in David DAngelo CD's and seminiars) Joining clubs, learning to dance, all in the hopes of hitting it off with that one hot babe.

Right on man. I see myself as AFC in your description: I dont have high status (no one can change it fast), I spend time online, read books etc. I invest time. When I meet women 45% of them I dont like. Another 45% dont like me. I am left with 10% that translates into 1 out of ten. Sure I'll feel I cannot be a jerk - I invested so much time into finding her...
Anywya, the question is what to do??
Stop reading and sarging online? Ok - easily doable. And left with nothing? What do you suggest?

 

[al77]

Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia

Why would I care what she does if I'm not dating her? I don't know about you but I don't mind fvcking a few different women when I'm not in a committed relationship. That's what makes me the 'Man Wh0re' that I am!

You'd be surprised how many will stick around if you show them respect when they are around and if you can make them orgasm consistently. Yeah, it makes them want you even more, but you can still keep them around for quite a while since they are willing to work to make you an honest man.

If she was just a FB, what's the big deal? If she was more than a FB, there were bigger things happening (or not happening) in the relationship.

The fact is most women do this all the time. They all may not sleep with everyone they go out with, but how many of them actually turn down an invitation to dinner? They do it by not talking about the specifics about their personal life and balancing how often they see each guy, no difference.

So if THEY can do it with all of the other drama that they have in their lives, why can't guys do it more effectively since most of us are more logical and are better planners than most of them? Yeah, there will be times that you are going to wish that you had done things differently but that's when the ideas come and before you know it, you are in a better position that you were previously!

I have never seen women who would be willing to be an exclusive fvck buddy. Maybe you can find them, I cannot - They are not that much interested in me: they will be sleeping with other men.

Now.."Why would I care what she does if I'm not dating her"?
You mean you dont care if she sleeps with other men while you are not dating her? Thats probably an advatageous mindset - it is easier to live with it. I wish I had that one.
If I know she fvck others... she simply becomes very low in my eyes... a wh0re. She might be attractive, but I cannot treat her well anymore.. what is the difference between her and a real wh0re? That we, men, can save some money cuz a date is cheaper than to pay a real wh0re?
Don't you guys have some disgust for women who fvck many guys at the same time? I do have a problem with such women.

To clarify: a man can fvck several women and feel very good about it if they are exclusive with him.
A woman who sleeps with several men - is a wh0re.
Double standard? Sure. I belivee there are tons of double standards in life.

 

[iveyleeger]

So how many STD's have you got? What are you doing about that?

 

[al77]

Originally posted by Oxide
I have. Plenty of times. The thing is, the girl will say something like "Promise we are going to be just ****ing each other, so nobody gives anybody STD's"

She THINKS you are going to be sexualy exclusive, but that doesnt mean you cant fvck other women. This is where the issue of integrity comes in, so it is up to you to decide how far you are willing to go.

But yeah, i'd agree with you that if the girl is your FB she probably is ****ing someone else as well.

What can I say? You got a really good fvck buddy.

Though as you notice we can fvck more than one fvck buddy. By the way...what she asked you is to be exclusive with her. She didnt even say she is going to be exclusive with you... women, you now..... thats why you tend to think:
"if the girl is your FB she probably is ****ing someone else as well".

Anyway, that would be a bit scary to have a f-buddy who fvck around and we dont even know who she fvcks and what kind of std she might get. Thats her sl*t metality, instant gratification: "I want.. I want.. I want now... even without a condom... std? I'll think about them later.. blah blah"

I am still not getting it guys: fvcking a good girls is good, all right.
But fvcking somebody who can get anything from the other guys she fvcks...I dont get what kind of pleasure is that.
Moreover is it that nice to sleep with a girl who has no idea what loyalty is?

 

[scordate]

scordate,

I suppor what you said expect the last one: if she asks you questions.. you are gonna dump her? Based on what?
on her desire to be exclusive with you and get a LTR?
I dont get it. If you dont like her and dont see her in LTR - sure, then dump her. But you want to dump her based only on her "too many questions"? I am confused.

ok - lets clarify this;

first whatever anyone here writes you should ALWAYS try to fit into YOUR situation

second girls are NOT the same, but otoh are not THAT different

third Ricky started this thread by saying that he wanted to deversify

in this context you have 2 objectives ( as I see it );
1. you want to keep it as simple and stress free as possible
2. you might want to find a LTR ( or not )

my point about the girls that ask too many questions is that they rarely will have LTW-value
and if they do, it will be on their terms and we are trying to have this game going with our rules, huh ?

so if you 'give in' to the questions you in fact play the game by girl-rules, which we dont wanna do, do we ?

of course you can keep the girl and just ignore the questions, but i've found that to be a bother; it might, just might, encrease her interestlevel in you, but its shortterm and she'll never quiet playing the relationship games

do you really want to date fx. 4 girls where nr. 4 is always wanting exclusivity while the 3 others are happy with what they have ?

that was why I said; next nr 4
its also good to practice getting new girls all the time

/ scordate

 

[al77]

Originally posted by scordate


my point about the girls that ask too many questions is that they rarely will have LTW-value
and if they do, it will be on their terms and we are trying to have this game going with our rules, huh ?

so if you 'give in' to the questions you in fact play the game by girl-rules, which we dont wanna do, do we ?

do you really want to date fx. 4 girls where nr. 4 is always wanting exclusivity while the 3 others are happy with what they have ?

that was why I said; next nr 4
its also good to practice getting new girls all the time

If a girl asks questions she wants LTR - this is want I conclude.
How did you figure out she doesnt have LTR value? She doesnt suggest anything, she is not even controlling... she is curious "Where have you been? How is your weekend?", she wants to know if the guys is LTR material...

I'd "give in" if I can, ie. answer her if I was not with another girl.

4 girls:..... I was saying that those 3 girls are not just girl.
They are fvck buddies... who most likely fvck other guys. I personally cannot deal with that: they have no sense of loyalty, they can get any kin dof std from those othert guys. They are simply wh0res but more economical since they cost me less.
I'd be much happier with 2 girls who are exclusive with me and with time transferring one to a LTR.

Does DJ mentality calls for multiple women?
Yes. Definitely.
Does DJ mentality calls for good women?
Absolutely.
Does DJ mentality calls for wh0res who can catch not not fish from their multiple guys?
No, not at all.

 

[picard]

Dating is sort like buying speculative stock which has no track record. When you have a steady GF, it is an investment. However, it is wise to diversify your porfolio to minimize loss in case of economic downturn such as high expense for her jet set lifestyle. It is best to consolidate all investments into 1 portfolio in 1 city. It takes too much effore to travel to different cities to meet other GFs. The cost margin buy is too high when the sell cost is too low to obtain reasonable profit.


I can only handle 3 investments at same time. :rock:

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by picard
Dating is sort like buying speculative stock which has no track record. When you have a steady GF, it is an investment. However, it is wise to diversify your porfolio to minimize loss in case of economic downturn such as high expense for her jet set lifestyle. It is best to consolidate all investments into 1 portfolio in 1 city. It takes too much effore to travel to different cities to meet other GFs. The cost margin buy is too high when the sell cost is too low to obtain reasonable profit.

D@mn, very well put!

 

[Oblivious]

And how old are u? Wow! I see now the real reason why its so hard to meet quality men these days! They are sitting thinking that women are investments. LOL! That is quite funny. I see how so many folks get caugt up with STDS, unplanned pregnancies and all that jazz. Coming up with asinine concepts like that.

Diversifying your stocks will probably yield you the return you want for a good minute, but you best withdraw and sell off quickly before those multiple investments turn up sour and yield you with an STD, child support for the rest of your life and unnecessary drama. And you wonder why its hard to meet good women? Because dudes think like this and force us to think, act and do the same in order to protect ourselves from the insanity. Stuff like this causes my hope in love and relationships to dim slightly. But I have faith that all dudes aren't this immature. The sad reality that alot of you are though.

But I guess your thought processes won't change until some good woman crosses your path and causes you to think differently. The same for me and men. I am starting to lose faith in you guys. BUt hopefully eventually one will crosss my path that makes me believe and feel differently.

 

[NewMan]

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I agree with that 100%. The problem is she will figure out what's going on even if I just say "I am busy".
I am still 100% confused about this situation: assume she is interested in me, ok. She knows\feels that I fvck other women (even if I say "I am busy" she is not stupid, she'll get the message).
Now, she see that I am not exlusive with her and not going to be - really, why would I woantto be exlusive? It doent have any benefits for a man.
So she is interested in what? In my attention and fvcking...thats it. She sees this is not goign to be a LTR.
Who is she? A fvck buddy!
....Which is completely good But I have never enocunter such girls who would be so interested in me that they agree to be an exclusive fvck buddy for me.
Normally she will also fvck other men. And that is not acceptable for me: what is the difference between her and a wh0re then? There is none.
There is an analogy - if you are hungry would you eat some stale hamburger? Yeah if you are really hungry... but after you eat it, you may want to vomit.
Same with wh0res...
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But your caring to much about her - and this situation.

first off - you meet a woman, and most guys make the cardinal error of spending to much time with them to early on. They get obsessed over that one chick. When you do that - you open your life up to quickly - and she knows to much about you. So then being "Busy" no longer becomes an option - because they know to much about your routinue - you can't all of a sudden become busy 5 nights a week - especially if you've been seeing her 4 times a week.

As my dad always told me - begin as you mean to carry on.

So what should you do? get lot's of hobbies - friends and interests.

When you meet a chick - see her once a week - maybe 10 days. and when she ask's you about what your doing on such and such a night - you tell her - oh, can't make it - poker night with the guys - let's do out on next week - Wednesday.

This way, you can incorporate mu;tiple women - into your schedule.

you also don't have to lie. you can be honest with women - and women (in general) will in my experience value your honesty with them.

They also like competition with other women.

they also like the idea of taming a man.

As a DJ you should be a man that needs to be tamed. You should be viewed as a work in progress (to a woman). and you should have plenty of pvssy options.

Further more - if she walks - you shouldn't worry.

 

[Ricky]

These comments are directed toward OBLIVIOUS

Oblivious, I understand your sentiment and do realize the risk of multiple investments.

Maybe I'd feel better about investing more in a particular woman if there weren't so many flaky women out there.

Alot of women are good at putting on a good show early on, only to find out that they have serious issues later on.

The same can be said of many guys no doubt, and I think we are coming from opposite signs of the coin but have similar experiences.