Women as an investment

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From now on I'm going to consider women as part of a quasi mutual fund investment profile.

I will invest but never 100% in one fund again.

For instance I may invest 10% in one girl, 10% in another, etc.

I will have hot girls as "friend" in one investment pool
I will have potential targets that I invest in as well

I hope to diversify by having anywhere from 2-3 main serious prospects and 5-6 other projects that I invest in at a time.

Hopefully I will get the fund into at least 10 different funds.
 

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that is what i do, diversify. i try to have 5 in the pipe at any one time...2 solids and three kinda sorta whatever's with potential. when one drops out, i get another in the pipe.

5 is a manageable number.
 

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Good metaphor however the connotation of 'women' as an investment is a bit misleading. Consider the same concept but with 'dating' being the investment.
 

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Sure it all sounds good from DJ perspective.
But banks and funds cannot care less if you diversify or not.

And if you "diversify" with women, and if any of your women figures it out, that will be conducive to all sorts of troubles.

Remember Vanilla Sky movie? He diversified yes... and almost got killed and jailed. But this is just a movie. I am sure in reality she simply would leave as fast as she could...
How do you keep 5 (five!) women? You gotta lie and lie a lot... though it might look like innocent white lies, but it piles up and may result in something more serious...

Anyway, how do you handle so many gals without them knowing about each other?
 

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Women as an Investment?

Maybe in Enron's accounting. :))

They are an expense, on the other side of the balance sheet, am I right Ulrick?

But maybe the relationship is an asset? Does that get a goodwill depreciation?

Anyway, yeah, diversify.
 

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Originally posted by al77
..Anyway, how do you handle so many gals without them knowing about each other?
Typically, not talking about the rest of your personal life with them works best.
 

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Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
Typically, not talking about the rest of your personal life with them works best.
What I am saying is you have to come up with somehting when asked what are you doing on XXXX day or weekend?
Sure you can get away in the begining easily. But you have to supply massive amounts of white lies:
"I am visiting a friend" - the whole weekend?
"Valentine Day" - Oh, my grandma is really not feeling well...

Thats could work for some time. Though would you feel comfortable with those small lies in the long run? I have no idea how to deal with it.

Or she simply doesnt ask anything, never? Then she is a perfect fvck buddy.
 

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Originally posted by al77
What I am saying is you have to come up with somehting when asked what are you doing on XXXX day or weekend?
Five words...

"I'm busy, how about [insert day]?"

Why lie? Why give them explanation? Why be afraid of them?:confused:
 

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Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
Good metaphor however the connotation of 'women' as an investment is a bit misleading. Consider the same concept but with 'dating' being the investment.
personally, i never use the word "date". go out, have fun, that's it.
 

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Originally posted by iveyleeger
Women as an Investment?

Maybe in Enron's accounting. :))

They are an expense, on the other side of the balance sheet, am I right Ulrick?

But maybe the relationship is an asset? Does that get a goodwill depreciation?

Anyway, yeah, diversify.
nope, goodwill and depreciation is a non-cash expense. ain't the case with chicks, unfortunately.

to further the somewhat misleading analogy, you have to spend money to make money.

NEVERTHELESS, diversification is indeed propa so as to maximize the mean-variance space.

lol
 

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Originally posted by al77

And if you "diversify" with women, and if any of your women figures it out, that will be conducive to all sorts of troubles.
that is her problem, not yours.
 

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Originally posted by Ricky
From now on I'm going to consider women as part of a quasi mutual fund investment profile.

I will invest but never 100% in one fund again.

For instance I may invest 10% in one girl, 10% in another, etc.

I will have hot girls as "friend" in one investment pool
I will have potential targets that I invest in as well

I hope to diversify by having anywhere from 2-3 main serious prospects and 5-6 other projects that I invest in at a time.

Hopefully I will get the fund into at least 10 different funds.
Make sure you tell them that when you pick them up in the bars. Say, "I'm looking to diversify my Woman Portfolio... I need a redhead to round things out." :D

Now, in your analogy, would an escort service be a mutual fund?
 

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Actually I guess I meant more investing time or mental energy on any one girl.

See I had one stock and it crashed on me. Now I won't lie guys I wouldn't mind getting her back, but there is no reason at all to keep that stock or in my case I will keep a very low investment in it for rebound.

I want to post later about a scientific strategy for dating for those who like to overanalyze.

Ricky
 

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Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
Five words...

"I'm busy, how about [insert day]?"

Why lie? Why give them explanation? Why be afraid of them?:confused:
Sure, this approach does work to your advantage at first: in the begining if you are "just busy" she'll take it as a good sign: mystery... you busy with important things so you are a great catch.
Later on, if you just say "busy" she either ask what are you going to do (less likely) or just clam up and get busy herself for next a couple of weeks: you call her and she's "busy" for you.
Women love this game only in the begining... they are not completely stupid, if you are busy too often without any hints of what you are going to do on weekend without her, she'll get what's going on fairly soon.

Yes, you dont need to lie or explain what you are going to do. But she'll get it anyway: you dont ask her out a couple of weekends, you think she'll be ok with just "I'm busy"?

I realize if you have like 5 women you can say anything to any of them. The thing is if you do that you set them up for a very short relationship. I dont completely understand why you consciously want to let her know "Hey this is just for a month or so"??
 

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If you are consistent with your answers, she will accept them (as long as you are holding her interest). So how do you hold their interest? You make sure that when you DO spend time with them, you are theirs and theirs alone. No cell phone calls from buds (or chicks), no checking of voice mails at home, none of the things that would let them feel that they are an inconvenience to you.

The good ones will realize that if you give important attention to who you are with at the time, that they matter. She may not see you as often as SHE would like but if she isn't an attention wh0re, she will completely enjoy any time that you allow her, as long as it is somewhat consistent. ;)
 

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Originally posted by Francisco d'Anconia
If you are consistent with your answers, she will accept them (as long as you are holding her interest). So how do you hold their interest? You make sure that when you DO spend time with them, you are theirs and theirs alone. No cell phone calls from buds (or chicks), no checking of voice mails at home, none of the things that would let them feel that they are an inconvenience to you.

The good ones will realize that if you give important attention to who you are with at the time, that they matter. She may not see you as often as SHE would like but if she isn't an attention wh0re, she will completely enjoy any time that you allow her, as long as it is somewhat consistent. ;)
Maybe I didnt make myself clear.
I try: if she figures out I date some other women, you really think a decent women will accept her position as a fvck buddy?
A decent one starts running away...Not so much decent one might stay, but do you really want to deal with her since she also fvck other guys? A fvck buddy who fvcks other guys is a sl*t and who want to deal with a sl*t?
No matter how much attractive you are, how much attention you give her, a decent woman will not stay and accept her fvck buddy position....

Maybe I am just too sensitive? I have been there..when she says "I was busy" and it was clear she was fvcking somebody else... not a good feeling really.

Anyway, I was primarily interested in that "consistent with your answers" part. What do you mean? The only good answer as you said " I was busy". Did you mean I have to just consistently repeat this answer over and over and hope she doesnt't have enough brains to get that I see other women and fvck other women? Any woman with at least some brains after hearing "I'm busy" often enough will figure out I put her into a position of a fvck buddy. Why do you think a decent woman would accept that position?

I sure miss something here.. a piece of the puzzle. What is it?
 

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Originally posted by al77
Maybe I didnt make myself clear.
I try: if she figures out I date some other women, you really think a decent women will accept her position as a fvck buddy?

Not if you just tread her as a FB and nothing else.

but do you really want to deal with her since she also fvck other guys? A fvck buddy who fvcks other guys is a sl*t and who want to deal with a sl*t??

Why would I care what she does if I'm not dating her? I don't know about you but I don't mind fvcking a few different women when I'm not in a committed relationship. That's what makes me the 'Man Wh0re' that I am!


No matter how much attractive you are, how much attention you give her, a decent woman will not stay and accept her fvck buddy position....

You'd be surprised how many will stick around if you show them respect when they are around and if you can make them orgasm consistently. Yeah, it makes them want you even more, but you can still keep them around for quite a while since they are willing to work to make you an honest man.


Maybe I am just too sensitive? I have been there..when she says "I was busy" and it was clear she was fvcking somebody else... not a good feeling really.


If she was just a FB, what's the big deal? If she was more than a FB, there were bigger things happening (or not happening) in the relationship.


Anyway, I was primarily interested in that "consistent with your answers" part. What do you mean? The only good answer as you said " I was busy". Did you mean I have to just consistently repeat this answer over and over and hope she doesnt't have enough brains to get that I see other women and fvck other women? Any woman with at least some brains after hearing "I'm busy" often enough will figure out I put her into a position of a fvck buddy. Why do you think a decent woman would accept that position?


That's what I mean, but not in the sense of hoping that she doesn't figure you out. I wrote a post a while back about managing a woman's expectations especially if you are seeing a few at one time. If you seek balance, you can see each of them as little as once every week to 10 days. If they are really into you, it could be stretched out to a few months or even longer. I've had a couple from my past look me up recently just to 'get together' for old time sakes. Yeah, I know what they want...



I sure miss something here.. a piece of the puzzle. What is it?
The fact is most women do this all the time. They all may not sleep with everyone they go out with, but how many of them actually turn down an invitation to dinner? They do it by not talking about the specifics about their personal life and balancing how often they see each guy, no difference.

So if THEY can do it with all of the other drama that they have in their lives, why can't guys do it more effectively since most of us are more logical and are better planners than most of them? Yeah, there will be times that you are going to wish that you had done things differently but that's when the ideas come and before you know it, you are in a better position that you were previously!

Here's an example; just last week two women I'm friendly with were on the same club ride (bike) that I was on. My bike club has about 1400 members, so what are the chances they would be on the same ride? Well, "I" was there and I hadn't seen either for at least a couple of weeks and they knew that I was usually on this ride! (my stupid buds told them :rolleyes:).

Well, I was waiting for one when the other rides up. We talk and I tell her that I would catch up with her and that I was waiting on a friend. She knew what I meant. I waited for my other friend and ride for a while and guess what happens, we all end up in the same pack, I chit chat with the first friend and she introduces herself to my second friend!!! Oh yeah, good times.

Long story short, I ride with my second friend in the morning and set up a date with her in the evening. I ride with my first friend in the afternoon and make out with her before my date with the second. I see the second one that evening and spend the night at her place. The next day, a third comes over to my house to spend the day (no, she didn't meet up with either of the others but I just want to illustrate what I mean about keeping a balanced rotation).

You may be asking what I told them when one asked about the other when we were in private. Well guess what, THEY DIDN'T ASK!!! They both know that I would not talk about anything other than HERSELF when I am with them, and each prefer that I focus all my attention on them when we are alone.

So there's an example of how it can work and the importance of managing their expectation. It's true that not all women are willing to share your attention. But then again, would you really want to be with a woman that needed to monopolize your time?

Personally, I wouldn't commit to a relationship with a woman like that. I have to many other interests that may or may not include her. If she couldn't deal with that, she's wouldn't be worth my time.
 

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I was thinking about this the other day, and came up with a "theory" as to why AFC's basically act needy and desperate around their girl if they have one. Actually it is perfectly logical for a guy of average mate appeal value to be protective, needy, aftraid that his girl will leave him. This is why-
A "hot" guy-one who had high status/mate value can get chicks relatively easily, i.e. he does not have to work as hard to find good women, they pretty much find and come after him. he has not invested that much time and effort into them, therefore he can act like a "jerk" and they are not important to him because they are not. If you consider to value of a women to be the monetary equivelant to how much time and energy you have "invested" in her, his "investment" was not that high, perhaps a half hour to an hour of work at most to find this girl($50-$100 perhaps if compared to what he makes at work) A little value to most guys but not a disaster if you lose it.

Take the AFC, low social skills, low social/mate status(or even average status). Mr. AFC perhaps goes out of his way, spending endless hours at pickup joints and other places where he hopes to meet women, perhaps spends hundreds of hours over several months writing e-mails to women on the internet, spending gas and time meeting them for "coffee dates" invests in David DAngelo CD's and seminiars:)) Joining clubs, learning to dance, all in the hopes of hitting it off with that one hot babe.

This is the same hot babe who approached the hot guy while he was on his coffee break and he took her home, banged her but was not that into her when another hot babe came along the next day.

When AFC dude finally strikes the mother lode with this same HB, he had perhaps invested in time an effort the equivelant of a new sports car. Most guys consider their new car to be a prized and guarded item, and if they lose this they will be more upset than if they lose a $50 bill.
 

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ricky my man who has seen the light ! ;-)

there have been numerous comments so i'll boil mine down to:

to fight the oneitis, that women are EXPERTS at reading, and (sadly) use against you, you need options

you need options all the way till you really have a relationship with a single one that is LTR-viable

dont believe in having a LTR + others there comes a time when you focus and should focus
unless you want to be a player all your life

main problem with having several to date is never to commit to anything she throws at you as to exclusivity

rules are:
never, ever explain.
just be busy. period.

if she asks too many questions; time to next her and find a replacement unless you think she has LTR-value

always treat dating as fun and not serious; this also means that spending time with her should be fun + action whenever you fall into the quiet dates you are inviting her to ask questions about exclusivity

and finally; dont explain
explanations are defensive mode

/ scordate
 

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Originally posted by Oxide
Al77, i see where you can get confused as to why this works, but like my good buddy Fran said, women understand and accept it, becuase they are interested. She isnt going to go beserk and ask "Well, what are you DOING that night!!?". becuase we would reply with some completely crazy remark like "im teaching sea donkeys to read" to illustrate the point: IT IS NONE OF HER BUSINESS.
I agree with that 100%. The problem is she will figure out what's going on even if I just say "I am busy".
I am still 100% confused about this situation: assume she is interested in me, ok. She knows\feels that I fvck other women (even if I say "I am busy" she is not stupid, she'll get the message).
Now, she see that I am not exlusive with her and not going to be - really, why would I woantto be exlusive? It doent have any benefits for a man.
So she is interested in what? In my attention and fvcking...thats it. She sees this is not goign to be a LTR.
Who is she? A fvck buddy!
....Which is completely good :) But I have never enocunter such girls who would be so interested in me that they agree to be an exclusive fvck buddy for me.
Normally she will also fvck other men. And that is not acceptable for me: what is the difference between her and a wh0re then? There is none.
There is an analogy - if you are hungry would you eat some stale hamburger? Yeah if you are really hungry... but after you eat it, you may want to vomit.
Same with wh0res...

A man should feel good about having several women: dating and fvcking them, who are exclusive with him.
But if a woman fvck several men she is a wh0re. Double standard? Sure. Of course. I believe in double this standard.
 
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