Women aren't visual like men

[abbey sha]

Women aren't visual like men. They go by their feelings rather than what they see.

Women notice your height, face, race, eyes, skin tone, jawline, hair, facial hair, teeth, shoulders, arms, chest, abs, a$s, legs, weight, feet, shoes, shirt, watch, belt, trousers, who you are with, what car you drive, the expression on your face, body language, etc.

But remember, they aren't visual like men are. Thank you

The any other relation can have men's and women but many difference to women.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Mike, I don´t want to put you down or anything. In fact you are one of the most humble and cool guys here. But I really have to ask you, why this sudden obsession with looks? Is it too much time on the board? too much nismo/megaman etc influence... I bet this forum has fvcked up a lot of relationships because it teaches many things that aren´t true.

Yes, for some women being good looking is a must. But there are also many attractive women, and that will give you a chance if you are average... you only need to be average. Ugs have an handicap but it´s still feasable.

I know many cases in real life with average or ugly guys dating 7+ , if you hanged around these guys you would understand why these girls love them... they are so cool, so uplifting,full of positivity ,super fun ,smart.. and I know that many guys here rely on cold approach, which is much much more difficult, even for great looking guys.
Most guys here lack social circle... that´s it... These are the guys that spent their teenage years, having excuses for not going out, and now they see they don´t have a group...

Oh and having a group of 3/4 guys who don´t know many people is the same as zero...

 

[Stagger Lee]

Yes, for some women being good looking is a must. But there are also many attractive women, and that will give you a chance if you are average... you only need to be average. Ugs have an handicap but it´s still feasable.

I know many cases in real life with average or ugly guys dating 7+ , if you hanged around these guys you would understand why these girls love them... they are so cool, so uplifting,full of positivity ,super fun ,smart.. and I know that many guys here rely on cold approach, which is much much more difficult, even for great looking guys.
Most guys here lack social circle... that´s it... These are the guys that spent their teenage years, having excuses for not going out, and now they see they don´t have a group...

Oh and having a group of 3/4 guys who don´t know many people is the same as zero...

I don't know any ugly guys dating 7+ that I can think of. Most guys I see dating even 6 or 7's have a good appearance and are generally successful with women. We can debate how much that is due to their looks or personality, but I don't see ugly guys and atttractive women together.


For women's attraction to men, I don't think there is average and a 10 point scale. There's 3 levels, Hot, good enough looking, and no-go.

Now to another man, the no go guy may not seem ugly and the good enough looking guy might seem average or even ugly. And the girl we rate as a 7 might or might not really be a 7. But what matters is what makes a woman decide a man's looks is a no-go. It could be the level of facial asymmetry and proportions, skin condition, hair thickness etc., things he can't really change and things that may not seem like a big deal to attraction but are.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

My argument would be women aren't AS visual as men. Of course they are since they are human beings but....

when we see an otherwise sub-par woman and she exclaims "I have a PhD!! I'm a lawyer!! I'm a doctor driving a Porsche!!?"

Do you want to bone the woman? Probably not.

Yet reverse the gender

Reverse the gender and the same thing happens my friend. The only girls that will give you play are hardcore wh0res. Not club skanks, not online svluts...the kind that actively advertise and join escort services.

The reality is most women would write you off based on a bit too much acne, regardless of whether you make 7 figures or not.

 

[Mike32ct]

Mike, I don´t want to put you down or anything. In fact you are one of the most humble and cool guys here.

Thanks. I like you too.

I am very humble actually. A lot of women might like guys with big egos, but it's just not my thing.

But I really have to ask you, why this sudden obsession with looks? Is it too much time on the board? too much nismo/megaman etc influence... I bet this forum has fvcked up a lot of relationships because it teaches many things that aren´t true.

Great question. I've been asking myself the same thing. To be brutally honest, I'm in a bit of a "rut" right now and am feeling insecure due to the hair loss and dry spell. That's why I've gotten too hung up on the "looks" topics lately.

I need to stay away from "looks" topics for a while. Yeah it matters, but it's not healthy to dwell on it.



Yes, for some women being good looking is a must. But there are also many attractive women, and that will give you a chance if you are average... you only need to be average. Ugs have an handicap but it´s still feasable.

To be fair, I have seen some average guys that are fun that do pretty well. Might they also have some subtle feature about their looks that works for them (like Stagger says)? Possibly.

I know many cases in real life with average or ugly guys dating 7+ , if you hanged around these guys you would understand why these girls love them... they are so cool, so uplifting,full of positivity ,super fun ,smart.. and

Just what I was thinking above. They are usually really fun.

I know that many guys here rely on cold approach, which is much much more difficult, even for great looking guys.

Cold approach is a very tough game, no question.

Most guys here lack social circle... that´s it... These are the guys that spent their teenage years, having excuses for not going out, and now they see they don´t have a group...

Absolutely. I don't have a social circle.

I always went out solo because I didn't have a social circle or a good wing.

I'm sure people around me thought I was crazy to do the cold approach solo thing for so long. They are so used to meeting people through social circles that anything else seems abnormal lol.

Most people form social circles around school or work. That's what makes social circles harder to get when you are older. School is over, and work people already know you. You don't have a "fresh" circle to establish yourself in. At my work, cliques are already well formed. I'm a likeable guy. People at work like me, but don't necessarily consider me part of their "inner circle."

I started ballroom dance classes about two months ago. I'm getting to know some people that way and starting to learn a cool skill.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I have to comment about social circles. Being in a social circle is a two-edged sword. It can help you and make thing easier with meeting girls or it can cause you more harm than good. In other words, a social circle can just as likely c0ckblock you to no end as much as it can help you. Backbreaker sort of talked about this in his "Pros use a sniper rifle.." in the Tips section.

The kind of guy that does good in a social circle could do good with the solo cold approach, and vice versa, the guy who does poorly with the cold approach will probably experience undermining, sabotaging and c0ckblocking in a social circle.

There is no easy solution. Either you are a good looking, outgoing extraverted guy or you are not. A social circle isn't going to change or make up for that.

Now if you make true friends with a guy or guys that is with a girl that knows a girl, that kind of thing, Then that can work to introduce you or hook you up with a girl. But social circles in general can cause you more problems than they solve. Literally over about 95% of my hook ups came from solo cold approach and to a lesser degree internet dating. I'm not saying that it's easy, but that's where I got mine.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I have to join the "importance of look" school of tought in this topic, personality is not fixed, it actually change with looks.

If you are decently good looking the same behaviour that would turn off a girl, would turn her on or have no negative impact.
Conversely if you are fat and ugly I sincerly don't see what you could do to counterbalance it.

I see it on myself after moving from about 18% bodyfat to about 12% I get looks from girls on the street and a much better treatment any time I deal with a woman, from the bus station to the gym reception.
And I'm talking only about a more visibible jaw line and tight belly, nothing that makes a hugh impact with a jacket.

And trust me I behave the same way, I approach girls I know with lines as "wazzup b1tch or hail to the king baby" only to move to "I like your ass or boobylicious" when we drink at the club.
And the effect is completely different.

Anyway I think that as Mike32 said in an other topic "looks" for man is not only visual looks but looks in a larger sense, imagine the "bad boy look" or the "jock look" etc, the same guy who is average in jeans+t-shirt would become good looking simply switching to a leather jacket and longer hair.