Women are your true companions. Men aren’t your friends.

[SmoothSmooth]

There’s often a subtle bitterness towards women in the pick up community and in general amongst men. But the truth is, women want the best for you. It’s women that we need to cherish. It’s actually other men that want to hold you down and are never truly your friends. Because in reality; all men are in competition with each other; this is the essence of masculinity. it’s man vs man for the women, so deep down men can never truly support your success

The high standards of women and ruthless nature towards weakness are what push you towards success and actualising your potential. Male friends often only relate to each other in shared mediocrity.

When you become a better, richer, more physically attractive and more confident version of yourself - what happens? Women start to support you, admire you, respect you. But your current male friends start to resent you, envy you, hate you. No man wants you better than them; but women DO want you better than them and other men.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think male comradery can be good if there is a shared purpose/goal such as sports, music, business …

what’s interesting is when you start to attract an abundance of women, you WILL be hated by other men (except for the 1% of men who are also getting girls)…whilst women will like you MORE

when you get good with women, you start to inspire true devotion from them… and a woman in love with you is more loyal than any ‘male friend’ will be for you. Women push you to dress better; eat better, be more social, pursue your hobbies. And all of this is just ignoring the sex. The best thing about them, in my opinion, is they have a true understanding of ‘power’. Men see ‘power’ as titles and rank, but women care less about that (which is why many surgeons, businessmen, politicians etc can’t get laid outside of being a betabux). Women see power as confidence, health, wit, freedom, lifestyle, beauty…which is how they assess men, and striving for this will make you a happier person than chasing ‘respect’ from other men.The male dominance hierarchy is ultimately flawed because it’s based on respect; but any respect earned from other men is often shortlived - just ask any war veteran or martyr. Men respect whoever holds power over them; but power is constantly shifting and inherently unstable. So what use is chasing respect from other men? I’d rather earn the respect of women because it’s attached to the emotion of love, even if temporary

hanging around women has been shown to positively affect your health such as increasing testosterone and lowering cortisol….

Most of the monstrosities in humanity have been committed by men seeking to exploit other men eg slavery, war etc because deep down most men are only ‘for self’, women are more holistic and focused on connecting. If they don’t like something, they just ignore it…

i am not bashing men. I’m just saying men are created to focus on personal excellence and achievement, and then building relationships with women. Not other men. Because the traits which make you liked by other men - humility, friendliness, dressing down, being quiet etc are opposite to the traits which make you liked by women - confidence/arrogance, standing out, dressing up, being talkative etc

 

[Dr.Suave]

You make some fair points. Maybe you ar eon to something.

 

[Stanley]

"Women are your true companions. Men aren’t your friends".


Who's gonna bring in the mans best friend argument???

 

[RazorRambo24]

I might agree with some of the things you say, but if you have good friends around you, no one will hold you down like a male friend.. It's rare a girl will throw down for you if you end up in a physical fight, or be able to really relate to your struggles and pains.

That being said, I've had and have women in my life that were amazing and would do anything for me. It is true from my experience that the more successful a man is (200k+), more independent he is, he could be your friend but there will always be this competitive edge, and not as much empathy level of care.. Whereas women have alot of empathy. The difference is though when you have guy friends who you known since childhood. They'll stick with you forever.

 

[Truthseeker44]

The book 48 Laws of Power addresses this in a few Laws. Male friends can be downright cut throat.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

May i ask your age OP? I’d hazard your young. My experience is that true friends will not betray you. I have ride or die male friends, you would never betray me. There are very few of them like 2, but they are my brothers. I hope someday you experience true brotherhood it’s a rare gift.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

May i ask your age OP? I’d hazard your young. My experience is that true friends will not betray you. I have ride or die male friends, you would never betray me. There are very few of them like 2, but they are my brothers. I hope someday you experience true brotherhood it’s a rare gift.

in my 30s. My years of experience have led me to this conclusion. Male friends bond out of shared flaws, not strengths. Ultimately men are prideful which means their friends can’t outshine them. Which means if you surpass ur friends in terms of income, confidence, smv etc they will secretly hate you.

When a woman looses attraction - what do you do? You ignore her, hit the gym, become better…and it wins her back over. This means that a woman is attracted to your BEST.

 

[eli77]

This is true to some extent either way keep a close circle of friends and never confuse seniority with loyalty.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

not my experience but opinions are like arseholes...

 

[SmoothSmooth]

not my experience but opinions are like arseholes...

I hear you, but I would counter that you haven’t outshined that man in a department that he cares about.
Why would any man care about you more than himself! It’s basic logic…does he want his woman to find you more attractive than him? Does he want his kids looking at YOU like THE man and HIM as average in comparison?
A woman will want you to outshine other men because it’s in her best interest.
That’s why women are better companions.

Look at all the things we have to do to earn an attractive woman’s attention. It pushes us to be fitter, more confident, more interesting etc

 

[BillyPilgrim]

If you show yourself to be stoic and having a semblance of humility (i.e. not outwardly having a big ego) while demonstrating a backbone, you can minimize a lot of this.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

If you show yourself to be stoic and having a semblance of humility (i.e. not outwardly having a big ego) while demonstrating a backbone, you can minimize a lot of this.

Yes but I’d loose my 8/10 in looks gorgeous women because they are attracted to outward displays of power and ego.
Pretty 21 year olds don’t like humble stoics
They like larger than life, proud men that flex and dominate other men.
Humble stoicism does not get vaginas wet. Triggering primal emotions does

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Yes but I’d loose my 8/10 in looks gorgeous women because they are attracted to outward displays of power and ego.
Pretty 21 year olds don’t like humble stoics
They like larger than life, proud men that flex and dominate other men.
Humble stoicism does not get vaginas wet. Triggering primal emotions does

You can act differently around dudes than around women. You don't have a game persona?

 

[Stanley]

in my 30s. My years of experience have led me to this conclusion. Male friends bond out of shared flaws, not strengths.

Dude... you're 30.

Make better friends for christ sake and recognize when you have s*** ones. The only friends I keep in my life are the real ones regardless of gender. You want people in your life who bring you up, not down. Whether they got a **** n balls or vageen doesn't change a d**** thing. Your post sounds like someone who has just had crap friends and you are projecting that outwards in your own warped confirmation bias. That and your post is littered with contradictions and all or nothing thinking/overgeneralization.
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There’s often a subtle bitterness towards women in the pick up community and in general amongst men. But the truth is, women want the best for you. It’s women that we need to cherish. It’s actually other men that want to hold you down and are never truly your friends. Because in reality; all men are in competition with each other; this is the essence of masculinity. it’s man vs man for the women, so deep down men can never truly support your success

No, people in general who are insecure want to hold you back from your potential.
They are the bitter and envious ones. Women often DO NOT want the best for you. In general most women are rather self serving... guess what? So are a large portion of men. Yes, i'd agree many pua have a deep rooted disdain for women, i'd also argue pua's love women more then most men for a plethora of different reasons when compared to your average chump.

The high standards of women and ruthless nature towards weakness are what push you towards success and actualising your potential. Male friends often only relate to each other in shared mediocrity.

It is certainly a contributor.
But any man worth his salt should 'motivate' himself primarily to get things done for him and him alone. Not for the adoration of women or clout. Any 'friend' of mine who seeks to bring me down to commiserate in mediocrity is no friend of mine, gender aside.

When you become a better, richer, more physically attractive and more confident version of yourself - what happens? Women start to support you, admire you, respect you. But your current male friends start to resent you, envy you, hate you. No man wants you better than them; but women DO want you better than them and other men.

Again choose better friends my guy. When a friend of mine gets a promotion, hits a new pr, milestone in life or whatever we celebrate that and seek to bring them up, not down. Weird projections you've got going on here.

Now don’t get me wrong, I think male comradery can be good if there is a shared purpose/goal such as sports, music, business …

It doesn't sound like you do. This directly contradicts statements you've already made and goes against this supposed male dominance hierarchy nonsense you've created.

when you get good with women, you start to inspire true devotion from them… and a woman in love with you is more loyal than any ‘male friend’ will be for you.

Lol!

The male dominance hierarchy is ultimately flawed because it’s based on respect; but any respect earned from other men is often shortlived - just ask any war veteran or martyr. Men respect whoever holds power over them; but power is constantly shifting and inherently unstable. So what use is chasing respect from other men? I’d rather earn the respect of women because it’s attached to the emotion of love, even if temporary

I have respect for men who hold no power over me. Your 'point' is fundamentally flawed

You Don't chase respect from anyone period, chasing will not garner respect. Do you know anyone in the military in real life? They express profound respect for their brothers and sisters in arms regardless of rank or presupposed position of authority. When I thank someone for their service it doesn't mean they hold any semblance of power over me. It is simply respectful and a display of appreciation.

hanging around women has been shown to positively affect your health such as increasing testosterone and lowering cortisol….

Uh... You do know that men in relationships or who engage in regular sex on average have much higher levels of prolactin which is a testosterone antagonist right? There are numerous studies which showcase men on average have lower test while in relationships and with frequent sex, on average 21% lower when compared to a man on his own...

As for lowering cortisol most studies in relation to dating show there is no correlation between the two sexs. Two gay dudes who enjoy each others company will lower cortisol, two lesbians the same thing.... Even being amongst friends and family or your dog will lower your cortisol. Being in quality relationships whether romantically, platonically or sexually lower cortisol. (chill nofap bros I know)

Men in committed, romantic relationships have lower testosterone - PubMed

Variation in human male testosterone levels may reflect, and effect, differential behavioral allocation to mating and parenting effort. This proposition leads to the hypothesis that, among North American men, those involved in committed, romantic relationships will have lower testosterone levels...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Assisting couples to develop healthy relationships: effects of couples relationship education on cortisol - PubMed

These data suggest that CRE might buffer the harmful effects of repeated conflict in close relationships. Rather than ameliorating overall stress resilience, CRE might thus specifically improve individual health through increased relationship quality and reduced HPA axis activity during couple...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Most of the monstrosities in humanity have been committed by men seeking to exploit other men eg slavery, war etc because deep down most men are only ‘for self’, women are more holistic and focused on connecting. If they don’t like something, they just ignore it…

Here i'll fix this one for ya.

"Most of the monstrosities in humanity have been committed by HUMANITY seeking to exploit other HUMANS eg slavery, war etc because deep down most HUMANS are only ‘for self’"

You do not understand power clearly and you do not realize how women wield it differently then men. Cleopatra knew a thing or two about power and using her sexuality as a tool for manipulation and personal gain...

i am not bashing men. I’m just saying men are created to focus on personal excellence and achievement, and then building relationships with women. Not other men. Because the traits which make you liked by other men - humility, friendliness, dressing down, being quiet etc are opposite to the traits which make you liked by women - confidence/arrogance, standing out, dressing up, being talkative etc

Yes you are.
You also simulatouesly put women on a pedestal throughout all of your post... looking a little sus op.

I think in heterosexual relationships that the balance between feminine and masculine energy is essential. A man should build himself up for him. By product of that process people (NOT JUST WOMEN) will be graviting to him at large. The traits you list are also needlessly gendered and those qualities could be liked or disliked by either sex and on a person to person basis. I love my brash and loud bros, I also like my chilled out stoner friends. I also like girls that are brazen and outgoing while simulatouesly enjoying girls that express "humility, friendliness, dressing down, being quiet etc". But wait! you claim those are qualities men look for in friendship with other men... interesting.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

If you show yourself to be stoic and having a semblance of humility (i.e. not outwardly having a big ego) while demonstrating a backbone, you can minimize a lot of this.

Dude... you're 30.

Make better friends for christ sake and recognize when you have s*** ones. The only friends I keep in my life are the real ones regardless of gender. You want people in your life who bring you up, not down. Whether they got a **** n balls or vageen doesn't change a d**** thing. Your post sounds like someone who has just had crap friends and you are projecting that outwards in your own warped confirmation bias. That and your post is littered with contradictions and all or nothing thinking/overgeneralization.
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No, people in general who are insecure want to hold you back from your potential.
They are the bitter and envious ones. Women often DO NOT want the best for you. In general most women are rather self serving... guess what? So are a large portion of men. Yes, i'd agree many pua have a deep rooted disdain for women, i'd also argue pua's love women more then most men for a plethora of different reasons when compared to your average chump.



It is certainly a contributor.
But any man worth his salt should 'motivate' himself primarily to get things done for him and him alone. Not for the adoration of women or clout. Any 'friend' of mine who seeks to bring me down to commiserate in mediocrity is no friend of mine, gender aside.



Again choose better friends my guy. When a friend of mine gets a promotion, hits a new pr, milestone in life or whatever we celebrate that and seek to bring them up, not down. Weird projections you've got going on here.



It doesn't sound like you do. This directly contradicts statements you've already made and goes against this supposed male dominance hierarchy nonsense you've created.


Lol!



I have respect for men who hold no power over me. Your 'point' is fundamentally flawed

You Don't chase respect from anyone period, chasing will not garner respect. Do you know anyone in the military in real life? They express profound respect for their brothers and sisters in arms regardless of rank or presupposed position of authority. When I thank someone for their service it doesn't mean they hold any semblance of power over me. It is simply respectful and a display of appreciation.



Uh... You do know that men in relationships or who engage in regular sex on average have much higher levels of prolactin which is a testosterone antagonist right? There are numerous studies which showcase men on average have lower test while in relationships and with frequent sex, on average 21% lower when compared to a man on his own...

As for lowering cortisol most studies in relation to dating show there is no correlation between the two sexs. Two gay dudes who enjoy each others company will lower cortisol, two lesbians the same thing.... Even being amongst friends and family or your dog will lower your cortisol. Being in quality relationships whether romantically, platonically or sexually lower cortisol. (chill nofap bros I know)

Men in committed, romantic relationships have lower testosterone - PubMed

Variation in human male testosterone levels may reflect, and effect, differential behavioral allocation to mating and parenting effort. This proposition leads to the hypothesis that, among North American men, those involved in committed, romantic relationships will have lower testosterone levels...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Assisting couples to develop healthy relationships: effects of couples relationship education on cortisol - PubMed

These data suggest that CRE might buffer the harmful effects of repeated conflict in close relationships. Rather than ameliorating overall stress resilience, CRE might thus specifically improve individual health through increased relationship quality and reduced HPA axis activity during couple...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here i'll fix this one for ya.

"Most of the monstrosities in humanity have been committed by HUMANITY seeking to exploit other HUMANS eg slavery, war etc because deep down most HUMANS are only ‘for self’"

You do not understand power clearly and you do not realize how women wield it differently then men. Cleopatra knew a thing or two about power and using her sexuality as a tool for manipulation and personal gain...




Yes you are.
You also simulatouesly put women on a pedestal throughout all of your post... looking a little sus op.

I think in heterosexual relationships that the balance between feminine and masculine energy is essential. A man should build himself up for him. By product of that process people (NOT JUST WOMEN) will be graviting to him at large. The traits you list are also needlessly gendered and those qualities could be liked or disliked by either sex and on a person to person basis. I love my brash and loud bros, I also like my chilled out stoner friends. I also like girls that are brazen and outgoing while simulatouesly enjoying girls that express "humility, friendliness, dressing down, being quiet etc". But wait! you claim those are qualities men look for in friendship with other men... interesting.

All due respect, envy is real. There’s a reason hyper successful men are usually alone and mediocre bums are surrounded by friendship

 

[Murk]

Spoken like someone with no friends who watches life from his computer chair behind a monitor.

It’s your own fault you can’t cultivate meaningful relationships and people hate you. I have extremely supportive friends male and female so speak from your own limited view. Some of us are actually liked and admired by people. You do give off a certain vibe that’s unlikable so I’m not surprised.

 

[Stanley]

All due respect, envy is real. There’s a reason hyper successful men are usually alone and mediocre bums are surrounded by friendship

To quote another poster who said it best so far

not my experience but opinions are like arseholes...

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

At 30 you have a fraction of the experience and wisdom a well rounded man of 40-50-60 years. I understand why you may think you got it figured out, but you don’t.

In my work life I mentored young men that worked in my organizations, it started with me grooming those who showed leadership capabilities and many ended up being promoted into management roles in my organization(s). Some have become fast friends and I have contributed to their successes and growth. These are men that stay in contact with me over the years, some of who have outdone me in their careers subsequently - I left that field years ago.

They repeatedly say in public that they wouldn’t be where they are without me, and they are some of my proudest successes as a leader. Men that continually offer me lucrative positions in my old field. These are guys I travel with who have had my back in truly ****ty situations in the past - we are brothers and always will be. We share bro code as well - those of them that are still playing the field. We wing for each other. I’ve taught some game, which is applicable in business too, again they credit me with getting laid like tile.

We know each other’s women and never tread where others of us have, it’s a steadfast rule. Honor, loyalty and brotherly love. We celebrate each others successes all the time.

I hope, once again, that you live to have that type of relationship with good men.

 

[manfrombelow]

Spoken like someone with no friends who watches life from his computer chair behind a monitor.

It’s your own fault you can’t cultivate meaningful relationships and people hate you. I have extremely supportive friends male and female so speak from your own limited view. Some of us are actually liked and admired by people. You do give off a certain vibe that’s unlikable so I’m not surprised.

OP's problem is he hasn't lived long enough, hasn't made enough true friends, and hasn't been in enough relationships with real women (and no, sexdolls are not counted as real women), and most importantly, hasn't gone out enough.

 

[Grounded eagle]

There’s often a subtle bitterness towards women in the pick up community and in general amongst men. But the truth is, women want the best for you. It’s women that we need to cherish. It’s actually other men that want to hold you down and are never truly your friends. Because in reality; all men are in competition with each other; this is the essence of masculinity. it’s man vs man for the women, so deep down men can never truly support your success

The high standards of women and ruthless nature towards weakness are what push you towards success and actualising your potential. Male friends often only relate to each other in shared mediocrity.

When you become a better, richer, more physically attractive and more confident version of yourself - what happens? Women start to support you, admire you, respect you. But your current male friends start to resent you, envy you, hate you. No man wants you better than them; but women DO want you better than them and other men.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think male comradery can be good if there is a shared purpose/goal such as sports, music, business …

what’s interesting is when you start to attract an abundance of women, you WILL be hated by other men (except for the 1% of men who are also getting girls)…whilst women will like you MORE

when you get good with women, you start to inspire true devotion from them… and a woman in love with you is more loyal than any ‘male friend’ will be for you. Women push you to dress better; eat better, be more social, pursue your hobbies. And all of this is just ignoring the sex. The best thing about them, in my opinion, is they have a true understanding of ‘power’. Men see ‘power’ as titles and rank, but women care less about that (which is why many surgeons, businessmen, politicians etc can’t get laid outside of being a betabux). Women see power as confidence, health, wit, freedom, lifestyle, beauty…which is how they assess men, and striving for this will make you a happier person than chasing ‘respect’ from other men.The male dominance hierarchy is ultimately flawed because it’s based on respect; but any respect earned from other men is often shortlived - just ask any war veteran or martyr. Men respect whoever holds power over them; but power is constantly shifting and inherently unstable. So what use is chasing respect from other men? I’d rather earn the respect of women because it’s attached to the emotion of love, even if temporary

hanging around women has been shown to positively affect your health such as increasing testosterone and lowering cortisol….

Most of the monstrosities in humanity have been committed by men seeking to exploit other men eg slavery, war etc because deep down most men are only ‘for self’, women are more holistic and focused on connecting. If they don’t like something, they just ignore it…

i am not bashing men. I’m just saying men are created to focus on personal excellence and achievement, and then building relationships with women. Not other men. Because the traits which make you liked by other men - humility, friendliness, dressing down, being quiet etc are opposite to the traits which make you liked by women - confidence/arrogance, standing out, dressing up, being talkative etc

Lots of fallacies here. First off,women almost exclusively want what’s best for THEM. Most of their actions and decisions are geared towards their own betterment. It’s hardwired into them.That’s what hypergamy is.Throughout a woman’s life the only person she may ever put ahead of herself is her child.

If you truly think that men competing with each other for women is the essence of masculinity,then I don’t know what to tell you.And if all your male peers are just guys you have to compete with,then I feel bad for you because you have never truly experienced friendship and brotherhood.

If you’re trying to say that hypergamy has some function in that it pushes men to be the best versions of themselves then you have a bit of a point there,but if that’s all that motivates you,if that’s your chief incentive for wanting to be your best self,then you’re missing something as a man and are bound to run into some problems down the road.

. Male friends often only relate to each other in shared mediocrity.

Or in shared excellence.

When you become a better, richer, more physically attractive and more confident version of yourself - what happens? Women start to support you, admire you, respect you.

Not because “they want what’s best for you.”When a man is in the process of putting in the hard yards,before he becomes the best version of himself,women will rarely be present.If anything,they will deliberately not be present.One member here stated it very well once,they don’t want to build the boat with you,they just want to party on a finished cruise ship.That’s what they do.

But your current male friends start to resent you, envy you, hate you.

Then the real issue is whether or not they were ever really your friends.

what’s interesting is when you start to attract an abundance of women, you WILL be hated by other men (except for the 1% of men who are also getting girls)…whilst women will like you MORE

The only men who begrudge another man his success with women are beta males and are not worth taking seriously,much less being part of your inner circle.