Women are *****es. YES, they are.

[PornPot]

Ok, first of all I ain't a woman hater - anyone following some of my past threads and what I do for a living will come to the same conclusion.

While my topic sums up some of my past experiences with women as well (ask if you want details) here's what happened TODAY - just around an hour back.

Went to a pub with a pal, saw 3 Turkish women on holiday here as well, one of them is too cute for words.. the second is ok the third needs to lose 20-30 pounds. In that order its girl1,girl2 and girl3.

I buy shots for the girls and me and my pal... quickly make friends, start chatting etc everything goes well.

I move over to girl and start chatting using some of the techniques discussed here, i start experiencing reactions that people describe here!
(she starts touching my arm, touching her hair --- while talking in my ear (music is loud) she rubs her cheek against mine etc...
she has a lovely pair of lips...and so I tell her that, she blushes... and i joke more finally coming to how she must be a good kisser... she says she is, I tell her she has to prove it with a statement like that...joke a bit and show her my cheek.

She says no, she is a good girl, turkish women are not like that blah blah ****ing blah. I move away from there as my friend takes over chatting her up and i start chatting up girl2.

In the meantime some of their friends arrive (two guys, more turks), 15 mins later i suddenly notice she is frenching one of the newly arrived guys!
I sit there ****ing shocked...
Girl2 is flirting with me... and she asks my pal to take out a pic of me kissing her on the cheek... soon i move lower and to the left and she kisses me back. We start frenching... I basically did it because i wanted to ignore girl1 and kind of show her she aint **** (if this did not happen I would have left in 3 mins anyway)

Girl3 (fatty) looks pissed.

I ask girl1 if she wants to come on over to my place and she tells me no, she is "turkish and a good girl"

Then we stop kissing for a while... and I am feeling tipsy.. so i go up for some fresh air and when there (10 mins later) i see girl2 (who i was kissing) walking hand in hand with the second guy! She seems a bit startled to see me - like she got caught with her hand in the cookie jar.

A little while later fatty takes the other two and they leave (earlier I exchanged numbers with girl 2 - who unfortunately does not speak a lot of English, only girl1 does as she was in the UK for 3 years) and am pretty sure I aint getting a call and I dont think I will call either as we needed girl1 most of the time for translating.

So my initial statement and topic subject stands: women are *****es.

Your thoughts?

 

[Falcon25]

Ummm.........You have zero game. You went outside and left a girl that was interested in you for 10 minutes? Do you know how long that is in girl time? At least three hours. You need to learn how to close.

 

[PornPot]

Uh... maybe those 2 turkish dudes had more game/money/rapport than you?

They certainly had the rapport as they spoke the language and they were with them for 2 days... dont know about game/money.

You need to learn how to close.

True, and I need to learn all the steps before that as well... I was winging most of it and more than half blind... even then, the attitude, lies, hypocrisy and turn around(s) totally surprised me.

 

[Falcon25]

Listen,

I'm not trying to be rough on you. If a girl is interested in you, YOU NEVER LEAVE HER. I don't care if you have to take a groger. YOU DON'T GO OUTSIDE. An attraction is a fleeting thing. You are a stranger. You have to build the initial spark so that it becomes a flame. You can't do that by taking ****ing smoke break's outside to get fresh air.

 

[ArcBound]

lol this is funny to read as a turkish guy. but its harder to infiltrate racial groups in dating. For example some Asian girls I flirt when, I can get them usually but then their social circle comes up. Includes Asian guys and sometimes they don't even have any game. Then my chances of getting something go down a lot...However if I meet them again alone, then I can escalate. Your girls probably knew the turkish guys were coming later on and that's why they didn't quite leave with you. if you got their number i would try inviting them to an event when their guys wouldn't be with them all night and see how it goes.

This is also works with Indians to some extent... When a group of women hang out with their peers of the same race I find they are less likely to do something with you but once alone it all matters up to you. This site, DJism and PUA all stress isolation for a reason.

 

[PornPot]

I'm not trying to be rough on you.

To start with, please don't fcuking try to go slow with me and worry about hurting my feelings, save that for the women - give me the dope of what to do and where I screwed up straight :rockon:

Sometimes I feel I need to be "shaken up", and the best way IMHO is to get straight advise no matter if it hurts or not.

If a girl is interested in you, YOU NEVER LEAVE HER

Noted sir.

More than anything I have learned from this experience because I am not really disappointed in not banging girl2, if I had screwed up my chances with girl1 the way I messed up with G2 then it might have been different - and I have learned even more after posting here - so its all good.
I am still very much a beginner and learning.

its harder to infiltrate racial groups

Yep, I travel a lot and from the language barrier it just goes up...

"if you got their number i would try inviting them to an event when their guys wouldn't be with them all night and see how it goes."
Spoke to my pal today, and he was chatting with G1 a lot longer than me... and he tells me she told him she was in love with that Turkish guy or some sh!t like that which is why he (my pal) backed away in the first place. And yesterday was the first time they kissed as she didnt have the guts to till she was a bit drunk... so I dont think I'll be calling because G1 was the one I actually liked.

This site, DJism and PUA all stress isolation for a reason.

Still in the total beginning of learning so did not come to that lesson yet, got a crash course in the reason tho

Thanks guys!

 

[The Mad Ghost]

Listen,

I'm not trying to be rough on you. If a girl is interested in you, YOU NEVER LEAVE HER. I don't care if you have to take a groger. YOU DON'T GO OUTSIDE. An attraction is a fleeting thing. You are a stranger. You have to build the initial spark so that it becomes a flame. You can't do that by taking ****ing smoke break's outside to get fresh air.

What? You never leave her? That is nonsense. Especially if the night's young. If you've got experience in screening when you know a girl is DTF, theres no need to leave, but if you can't screen, then who cares if you leave for a while. Thats bad advice.

You should always look like you're ready to leave at any minute, its the intitial approach and rapport building that didn't work for him, where she wasn't interested in following, he could've A) Took her with him or B) Come back to her and sealed the deal.

 

[PornPot]

If you've got experience in screening

Anyone have a link to what "screening" means?

its the intitial approach and rapport building that didn't work for him

Advise on doing this better?

A) Took her with him

Not possible, was going to take a leak and then was not sure if I was going to puke as i drank on an empty stomach...

Come back to her and sealed the deal.

How?

 

[The Mad Ghost]

Anyone have a link to what "screening" means?

In direct game, a PUA will often start off an interaction already in a sexual state. This serves the purpose of screening out women who are not immediately interested in sex, and can lead to quick pulls.
http://www.pualingo.com/pua-definitions/down-to-****-dtf/

Not possible, was going to take a leak and then was not sure if I was going to puke as i drank on an empty stomach...

Was possible, what the hell was you doing for 30 minutes?

How?

By plowing, in a nonchalant way. Showing your intent, buying her temperature again, spiking her emotions from where you left off. Just closing without hesistation.

 

[vatoloco]

I buy shots for the girls...

Your thoughts?

Why are you buying shots for strangers?

 

[Thundernuts]

Pornpot, im glad to see your are learning, yeah you made mistakes but your still getting the brunt of it.

Btw, for future reference, when a woman tries to tell you this, don't believe her. I've seen what happened to you at least 40 times personally and from what i have seen, the women who are actually the good girls, are never DTF, they aren't they getting hammered and chatting it up with strangers. Dude she was seeing what kind of guy you were.

Still don't worry about this particular even to much, just learn what you can from it, remember girls lie all the time. These women weren't great because they were waiting for other guys, just keep on going man.

 

[teacha]

Listen,

I'm not trying to be rough on you. If a girl is interested in you, YOU NEVER LEAVE HER. I don't care if you have to take a groger. YOU DON'T GO OUTSIDE. An attraction is a fleeting thing. You are a stranger. You have to build the initial spark so that it becomes a flame. You can't do that by taking ****ing smoke break's outside to get fresh air.

this site is getting ridiculous by the minute. This is one of the stupidiest advice i've read today.

and to the OP, stop with the women bashing already...not all women are bitches.

 

[PornPot]

http://www.pualingo.com/pua-definitions/down-to-****-dtf/

Link is dead, I'm guessing because of the censored stars...

Was possible, what the hell was you doing for 30 minutes?

Drank too much, was pacing outside to see if it was coming up or staying down... ordered some food and it got better.

By plowing, in a nonchalant way. Showing your intent, buying her temperature again, spiking her emotions from where you left off. Just closing without hesistation.

Since I didnt understand a portion of what you wrote, I'm going to guess that this is beyond my present abilities.

Why are you buying shots for strangers?

To start talking to them. This is the problem, I have seen mixed quotes here and in another place one saying its ok to buy drinks the other says "dont ever buy the XXXXXXXs drinks".
Which to follow?

Hey Thunder! Glad you stopped by to comment my friend.

Btw, for future reference, when a woman tries to tell you this, don't believe her. I've seen what happened to you at least 40 times personally and from what i have seen, the women who are actually the good girls, are never DTF, they aren't they getting hammered and chatting it up with strangers. Dude she was seeing what kind of guy you were.

And I fell for it...

Still don't worry about this particular even to much, just learn what you can from it, remember girls lie all the time. These women weren't great because they were waiting for other guys, just keep on going man.

Oh! I aint giving up!
I'm going to be banging 8 women in the next 12 days so sex was not on top of my list and this does not have me groaning in the corner by a long shot:yes:
Just don't leave me to figure this out alone in the rain dude, I appreciate all the advise from guys like you.

and to the OP, stop with the women bashing already...not all women are *****es.

Not all are, but I meet a higher than average ratio in my business - and I was straight from the pub, a bit drunk and that experience on my mind when I started this thread. I apologize, I guess I was a bit pissed off.

 

[Falcon25]

If you listen to these people, like mad ghost and teacha, you will never get laid. When I said don't leave her, it means, don't leave her till you have built the attraction spark to a flame. If a girl is interested in you, you have a very little and narrow time frame to get her to go with you. You don't have to listen to me, but I have experience. Since you were not introduced by others, you are at a disadvantage already, hence, it is imperative that you don't leave her until you establish rapport. These people on here don't know what they're talking about. They're are no guarantees, but your chances of establishing something with a woman goes down dramatically if you leave her side AT THE INITIAL ATTRACTION PHASE. You didn't even get a chance to get her number. You should have established yourself. You would have had a better chance. I come from experience, not books on game. I have fuvked and am still fuvking lot's of girls from clubs, bars, etc. I never leave a girl until I have BUILT rapport with her when I meet her.

 

[Thundernuts]

Yeah Pornpot, thats another thing i have to address but since im on a time limit ill try and be fast.

When you are just chatting it up with women who you haven't been introduced to, its really important that you give yourself some time you build up yourself with them. When women first meet someone they instantly know( or at least they think they know) what kind of guy they are dealing, and since they are usually wrong its up to us to change that idea or at least show them there is more to us, otherwise when we do leave to take a smoke or something they just think " Oh, well he was nice, but kind of boring, but that guy over there is hot" and thats the last time your in there head for the night. Gone.

Try and keep this in mind the next time you go out, wich i take it will be in 14days, pace yourself man lol

 

[PornPot]

I never leave a girl until I have BUILT rapport with her when I meet her.

Links, books or tips on how to build that rapport that you speak of? (I _am_ starting out and pretty clueless, sorry)

 

[PornPot]

When you are just chatting it up with women who you haven't been introduced to, its really important that you give yourself some time you build up yourself with them. When women first meet someone they instantly know( or at least they think they know) what kind of guy they are dealing, and since they are usually wrong its up to us to change that idea or at least show them there is more to us, otherwise when we do leave to take a smoke or something they just think " Oh, well he was nice, but kind of boring, but that guy over there is hot" and thats the last time your in there head for the night. Gone.

Ah! That makes sense! Now to start reading up on "how to build myself in their eyes".
As always, your help is mucho mucho mucho appreciated dude.

Try and keep this in mind the next time you go out, wich i take it will be in 14days, pace yourself man lol

A friend once told me quote/joke - no man on his dying bed thinks back with regret about fcuking too many women :woo:
I have not forgotten that after years.

I plan to go out after each lay, that way I think sex wont really be on my mind at all but if it happens... so be it. I will (should) at least get better with interacting and can come here for advise as I keep meeting the different walls and challenges they throw at me.

 

[Falcon25]

Thunder said it best. That is what I was trying to tell you until I was told to fuvk off from the other two posters, or posers. There are no books or magical tips that you speak of. It takes lot's of practice and experience. Just be confident, talk to many, and don't come off as you just want to fuvk their brains out. Just be genuine and strong. Be sexual but not overwhelming. Get the point across that you are a sex machine and cannot be friends with women that you are not intimate with. Without being a pervert.

 

[Kailex]

PornPot,

Stop being like the rest of these fools that just want the magic pill that cures all.

Like Falcon25 said...

TIME AND EXPERIENCE.

You're going to have to fail on your own a few times before you can see what you're doing wrong. You already went through an experience... guess what, you're already ahead of 75% of the people here.

You can read all you want, watch all the YouTube videos you want, but NOTHING... and I repeat, NOTHING... is the perfect substitute for time and experience.

God knows how many times I've failed in the game before I could get it.

You know that girl you missed out on? Just one of MANY ... MANY ... MANY women out there. That's the beauty of it. There's so many women out there, that you can actually fine tune this process and learn the little nuances and quirks of it all. Just charge it to the game... keep learning, keep your head up. All the theory is nice, but nothing beats the hands-on aspect.

Every opportunity "missed" is actually experience gained.

Don't forget that.

 

[Falcon25]

Listen to Kailex. You just gotta practice.