women are depserate for alpha men

[backbreaker]

so.. we all have our hobbies and things. My wife has this twisted fascination about death row. like antyhing that is on TV or a movie or documentrary about death row she has to watch it. So she found a documarary about this dude on Death row in texas.. actually a quite young guy, he can't be 25 years old. it's not a bad documentary

this is where i trip out. okay the dude, on death row. has killed 3 freaking people. over a late 90's chevy camero. the dude is not very smart. he is not very good looking. the guy, i mean **** he's on death row need i say more.

so they interview his attorney who is doing the work for him. she lived in nebraska and was doing the work pro bono for him to get him an appeal / out of prison. honestly. she's not very bad looking at all. she's pretty cute. and she's a lawyer. this woman, mind you, has never seen this dude in her life, falls in love with the dude on death row, drives from Nebraska to Texas, meets him and they confess their love for each other upon first sight.. mi nd you he is behind a glass on a phone talking to her. and she tell her friends and her friends tell her that she is in love and she needs to do what she needs to do and she goes outside and sees a rainbow outside and how that is a sign that this is the guy she needs to be with.

lol the story even gets better. not only did she drive down there, one of of her beta male friends actually drove her to meet the immate. do you know how much of afiaulre you have to be in life to drive a woman down to see a guy on death row and s looks at you and looks at him and looks at you and looks at him, and says yes this is the guy i want to be with the guy that is on death row.

for all you guys that talk about how there are no woman out there, STFU. this woman is easily a HB 6.5-7 and she's smart and MARRIED a dude that is going to die very soon. you are getting out gamed by a dude that can't even touch his wife.

this just goes to show to me how much women are looking for men and how they aren't very many out there. when a woman has to stoop to this level to find a man that states a hell of alot about the dating pool. and I mean she is faithful as a mofo too lol. she is in love with her damn man.

**** if you live in Nebraska and have a pulse and a job you should get tail.

and i see it in every day life too, my wife's friends, who women i used to date would tell me how much they hated my arrogance yet always came when i called. just be a man. be the man you need to be and women will follow. if this chubakka looking death row immate can get something resembling a catch you have no excuse.

 

[Jitterbug]

How you managed to spin this into men's fault is beyond me, backbreaker.

 

[DJDamage]

for all you guys that talk about how there are no GOOD AND SANE women out there .

Fixed.

I don't believe that "some" women morbid facsination with dudes behind prisons or female teachers fvcking their students have a whole lot to do with "being Alpha" but rather have to do with them being a little fvcked up in the head. The real Alpha's of the world outside the classrooms and prisons mostly spin plates and never commit to these women because they are not worthy of LTR. However because those same women end up running back to their Alpha males arms and ignore/use betas males for their whims, then they have to find some alternatives once in a while to distract their insane cycle.

"oh gosh there are no good men out there" - well if you go for the alpha players who will only use you for sex because being a 6-7 in the looks department is not what an alpha would look for in long terms (if he can spin plates that are prettier then you are), and you ignore all the beta's out there then you are in a pickle.

this just goes to show to me how much women are looking for men and how they aren't very many out there. when a woman has to stoop to this level to find a man that states a hell of alot about the dating pool.

It says alot more about the state of women's poor mate selection and their own percieved value in North America.

If a woman who is a 6-7 thinks she deserves an Alpha c0ck (who prefers 8 and above in looks) for an LTR/marriage then she will get what she deserves.

 

[Robert28]

so.. we all have our hobbies and things. My wife has this twisted fascination about death row. like antyhing that is on TV or a movie or documentrary about death row she has to watch it. So she found a documarary about this dude on Death row in texas.. actually a quite young guy, he can't be 25 years old. it's not a bad documentary

this is where i trip out. okay the dude, on death row. has killed 3 freaking people. over a late 90's chevy camero. the dude is not very smart. he is not very good looking. the guy, i mean **** he's on death row need i say more.

so they interview his attorney who is doing the work for him. she lived in nebraska and was doing the work pro bono for him to get him an appeal / out of prison. honestly. she's not very bad looking at all. she's pretty cute. and she's a lawyer. this woman, mind you, has never seen this dude in her life, falls in love with the dude on death row, drives from Nebraska to Texas, meets him and they confess their love for each other upon first sight.. mi nd you he is behind a glass on a phone talking to her. and she tell her friends and her friends tell her that she is in love and she needs to do what she needs to do and she goes outside and sees a rainbow outside and how that is a sign that this is the guy she needs to be with.

lol the story even gets better. not only did she drive down there, one of of her beta male friends actually drove her to meet the immate. do you know how much of afiaulre you have to be in life to drive a woman down to see a guy on death row and s looks at you and looks at him and looks at you and looks at him, and says yes this is the guy i want to be with the guy that is on death row.

for all you guys that talk about how there are no woman out there, STFU. this woman is easily a HB 6.5-7 and she's smart and MARRIED a dude that is going to die very soon. you are getting out gamed by a dude that can't even touch his wife.

this just goes to show to me how much women are looking for men and how they aren't very many out there. when a woman has to stoop to this level to find a man that states a hell of alot about the dating pool. and I mean she is faithful as a mofo too lol. she is in love with her damn man.

**** if you live in Nebraska and have a pulse and a job you should get tail.

and i see it in every day life too, my wife's friends, who women i used to date would tell me how much they hated my arrogance yet always came when i called. just be a man. be the man you need to be and women will follow. if this chubakka looking death row immate can get something resembling a catch you have no excuse.

I have this weird thing where if I meet an attractive girl and just so happen to see her ex or a pic of him and consider him ugly(as in too ugly to be with a girl like her) I lose interest in the girl....fast. snap of a finger. I don't have time to date good looking women that don't date their equal or greater looks wise. I figure if they go for that type then what the hell am I wasting MY time for? the girl I'm seeing now is a RN, cute as can be, seems to have dated guys her equal in past relationships from what I can tell, hasn't played any bs games....yet, but I know they're coming. she's not a bad catch at all, but she is the type that will sucker you in fast and you start to think she's "different" then BAM! you find out she's just like all the rest.lol

 

[zekko]

I don't believe that "some" women morbid facsination with dudes behind prisons or female teachers fvcking their students have a whole lot to do with "being Alpha" but rather have to do with them being a little fvcked up in the head.

I have to agree with this. Whether the guy is alpha or not, any woman who does this is frigging nuts.

The real Alpha's of the world outside the classrooms and prisons mostly spin plates and never commit to these women because they are not worthy of LTR. However because those same women end up running back to their Alpha males arms and ignore/use betas males for their whims, then they have to find some alternatives once in a while to distract their insane cycle.

I know this isn't what you're saying, but I can't help but notice this "no win scenario" that a lot of guys in the pickup community are setting up lately. It's the concept that a woman will only want someone who doesn't want them. So any woman that you actually want will choose someone else who doesn't care about them instead.

A similar idea is that you can't be alpha and care about any woman, because no alpha cares about any woman. And of course, every woman wants an alpha, so she will never care for any man that cares for her.

These ideas are based on some common experiences, but they're not strictly true, not all the time. If they were, what would be the point?

do you know how much of afiaulre you have to be in life to drive a woman down to see a guy on death row and s looks at you and looks at him and looks at you and looks at him, and says yes this is the guy i want to be with the guy that is on death row.

Lol.

 

[Robert28]

I have to agree with this. Whether the guy is alpha or not, any woman who does this is frigging nuts.


I know this isn't what you're saying, but I can't help but notice this "no win scenario" that a lot of guys in the pickup community are setting up lately. It's the concept that a woman will only want someone who doesn't want them. So any woman that you actually want will choose someone else who doesn't care about them instead.

A similar idea is that you can't be alpha and care about any woman, because no alpha cares about any woman. And of course, every woman wants an alpha, so she will never care for any man that cares for her.

These ideas are based on some common experiences, but they're not strictly true, not all the time. If they were, what would be the point?


Lol.

in my opinion, and learning experience over the years these are the very types of women I've learned to avoid. they will never be truly satisfied with you because they will always get bored and be on the lookout for someone whose "more alpha" then you are. the cycle never ends, hence they turn to the lowest of the low when they've run through every option.....prison. these women aren't relationship worthy AT ALL and any fool that tries to make them that way deserves what he gets.

I DO think there are women out there who will bend over backwards for a guy they like, do anything in the world for him.

 

[Jonnybangbang]

Formerly working with parolees/probationers within the Federal/Provincial criminal justice system, ive seen that these dudes attract women. Not always bombshells, BUT they do attract a flock. They don't follow conventional rules of society, they undermine positions of authority, they seek alternative means of "acquiring" what they want, and MOST seek to be dominant in any social situation. Sounds alpha to me, but just channeled a little differently. ; )

They seem to pull off this "James Dean" rebellious persona and it works. They spin plates. By no means am i condoning this behaviour, it's merely alpha "in disguise". This reflects a crooked cop who does his/her job but not in legitimate fashion.

 

[Burroughs]

Of course women want alphas....

But the question is do they deserve them.

In most cases the answer is no.

What are these women bringing to the table? Empathy, looks, BJ skills, culinary skills...what are they brining to the table that the potential alpha would desire.

Functional (non socio-pathic) alpha men can pick and choose. Every woman wants an alpha. But not every woman is worth an alpha's time.

so chicks go slumming: this lawyer chick who couldn't get a alpha dude in the real world got a dude on deathrow.. thats like getting a beat up, wonky transmission, dented, 200K miles ferrari 328 at a Police Auction and calling yourself a baller

 

[Mike32ct]

Yes there is no question that violent criminals can attract some women.

But be careful not to assume that if a death row inmate can get a woman than ANY average joe with confidence can get one too. Despite how F-ed up they can be, women are still VERY particular about what they want.

I cringe when I hear things like...

I saw an ugly dude with a girl, so looks don't matter.

I saw a fat dude with a girl, so weight doesn't matter.

I saw a short dude with a girl, so height doesn't matter.

I saw an old guy with a girl so age doesn't matter.

I saw a DEATH ROW inmate with a cute broad, so that proves that NOTHING matters. So therefore ANY guy can easily score cute women. Just act alpha LOL.

 

[zekko]

do you know how much of afiaulre you have to be in life to drive a woman down to see a guy on death row and s looks at you and looks at him and looks at you and looks at him, and says yes this is the guy i want to be with the guy that is on death row.

One more thing on this:
I agree with your attitude here. I am better than some piece of garbage on death row. If any woman can't see that, that's down to her issues, not mine.

But you know there's a segment on this board that would say "Oh no! He's a thug on death row. I can't compete with that. I've been out-alpha'd!" Lol

I DO think there are women out there who will bend over backwards for a guy they like, do anything in the world for him.

For sure, and a lot of the time, these are the wrong guys.

But there's a certain randomness to attraction, and who they fall for. They don't all fall for the super alpha bad boy (as they would have you believe in PUA Bro Theory). Given the right circumstances, they could go for any number of different types. They get caught up in the emotion of it, that's the key.

Formerly working with parolees/probationers within the Federal/Provincial criminal justice system, ive seen that these dudes attract women. Not always bombshells, BUT they do attract a flock. They don't follow conventional rules of society, they undermine positions of authority, they seek alternative means of "acquiring" what they want, and MOST seek to be dominant in any social situation. Sounds alpha to me, but just channeled a little differently. ; )

There are a lot of antisocial personalities in prison, and those types are master manipulaters. They have no remorse and will fake any sentiment or emotion without qualm to get what they want.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Congratulation BACKBREAKER, you made the blog today.

http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/insanity-plea/

 

[Bible_Belt]

http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/insanity-plea/
"there is an underlying attraction/arousal to a man with the capacity to kill another man"

My bpd ex is in love with a guy who killed an ex of hers, beat him to death with his fists. She lied for him in court, so he only got 3 years for the murder. She told me that she wanted to be with me until he got out of jail. During this time, I stupidly almost beat up a guy at a bar one night over her. That night she practically raped me. It was like an aphrodisiac commercial.

The murderer recently got out of jail. They were in love for a month. Then he beat her up, violated parole, and went back to prison. At the moment, she is hopping around the country from one guy "friend" to another. All of them pay her travel costs, and they probably get a nice hug in return, as they are AFCs, and she is highly manipulative. As soon as the state lets her murdering man out of jail again, she will rush to be with him so that he can beat her up again. That's love! :box:

 

[backbreaker]

Congratulation BACKBREAKER, you made the blog today.

http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/insanity-plea/

lol

 

[MasterFuu]

Confidence is all most woman want from a guy. Some girl don't prefer confidant guys though but most do.
There are days when I feel confident and days when I have my low's. When I feel confident and go out I attract girl but when I feel down there is nothing.
Any woman attracted to a guy in jail or someone troubled is trouble herself. Maybe her father was a criminal or alcoholic wife beater? Who knows...
Something in that criminal reminds her of her dad.
I know lot of pretty , smart, confident, educated girls from good families. They all go for good guys with confidence. None of the guys have criminal history or are some kind of social embarrassing prick.
What OP saw was extreme case that's why it's on TV. There is some truth to it but I don't think criminals can date a well rounded pretty girl from a good family. People with issues date other people with issues. That's best they can do and they know it.

 

[backbreaker]

you have to know me well enough to know that the first post was very tounge in cheekish. of course a woman who decides to date a guy on death row, IMHO has some issues.

but at the same time, there is some truth to it. i mean,there are qualities that women want in a man that she will not compremise on and can't reason out. rollo likes to say that 5 mintues of alpha is better than a lifetime of beta. well in this case the minscule pchance that she someday might fvck an alpha or what she precieves as an alpha is better than a city full of betas.

 

[MasterFuu]

I'm new and love your posts (they are spot on).
We got alpha and beta. Any chance there can be a mix of both? A nice guy with edge? Or is that a beta w fake mask?

I think most woman are looking for a mix of both. If you can be a provider and responsive but play little dirty here and there that's very attractive.
Speaking of alpha/beta I went out on few dates with "nice girls" but found them very boring. I ended up rejecting them just to find out they were crazy about me afterward. Now I'm burned out with dating alpha girls and can't wait for a nice girl that I will appreciate when I meet her. Crazy how this works on reverse gender role.

 

[wait_out]

You can read about how gladiators in ancient rome attracted freewomen with options. Then again, gladiators were slaves. Is that "alpha"?

IMO this is simple, many humans are attracted to violence and women are no exception. Some just happen to like it a lot more than others

 

[backbreaker]

You can read about how gladiators in ancient rome attracted freewomen with options. Then again, gladiators were slaves. Is that "alpha"?

IMO this is simple, many humans are attracted to violence and women are no exception. Some just happen to like it a lot more than others

it's more complicated than that.

rollo makes a lot of good posts / blogs. he made one about situational alphas which i think best explains the alapha/ beta dynamic.

some guys like to think of alpha as like this mountain that you have to climb and when you climb to the top of mount alpha you are now the alpha for the world to see but that's not realistic.

in reality, people situations dictate who are alphas and who are betas, within varying degrees of course. the key is to put and keep yourself in situtatoins that you are alpha in more times than you are beta in.

for instance, if you are overweight, why would you be wasting your time at the best night club in miami? you are not going to be an alpha in that situation regardless of how many online seminars you take, what clothes you wear or what game you spit.

usually when we are at the swimming pool (we don't have one but a few of our good friends too) or the beach, considering I'm pretty cut up I'm usually the guy or one of the guys women look at even though I'm taken. on the other hand, when I go to the GYM, while I am still pretty cut up, i'm not the most cut up guy int he gym and I am not the alpha of that situation. there are guys at our gym that are professional trainers/ amateur bodybuilders. I will never take bodybuilding that seriously to get that ripped and you know what that's fine. I mean, women still look from time to time but from just a who is the top dog in this situation standpoint it's not me.

if say.. whwo is someone i know enough about someone here... i'll use bible belt beucase i know a little about him.. if bible belt and i were to go to the horse track, i'm the top dog. that's what i do. it would not take very long for a group of people, male or female to figure out i know what i am doing and i will draw attention to myself.

on the other hand, if my wife catches me sleeping with someone and wants a divorce and i have to go see a lawyer, lol guess who is the alpha of the two of us in tha situation. whereas i was very mjuch an alpha in one, i very m much have to submit to him in the other.

the prison guard / police officer are natrua alphas at work but take them out of the work element and put them in a regular person element and they may or may not be

when i am running my web development company, the guy i trust most can pull code out of his ass like someone i have never seen before. he codes in his sleep that's what he does. and you know what when he says something, i know to listen. if he tell me we can't do something we can't do it and that's that because if there is anyone who knows it's him. on the other hand, if we were to go grab drinks at a bar later that night, the situation would be flipped.

this is why i am a big proponent of niche based dating. what i mean is find what you are alpha in and revolve your dating life around that. the more you can do that the more alpha you are at all times the better women you will pull.

so when i say a city full of betas it's really a lot more complex than that. for instance, this guy who has swallowed his pride to take this broad to texas, to get that low on the todem pole he has to pretty much not be an alpha in any situation. that type of guy, at work, at home, in his social life, consistently puts himself in situtatoins where he is overlooked. IMHO the big first step in becoming alpha or an alpha male is figuring out what you are alpha at or what you want to be alpha at.

@masterfuu: thanks for the kind words. glad you like my post and welcome too the forum. chips and drinks are available in the lobby, make yourself comfortable.

 

[disgustipated]

Most recently in my work situation I see guys who are in more of a position of "power" pull more easily....even if it is from the work pool of women...they still pull way more easily than the average worker.

This particular job I came into telling all my superiors and people (guys and girls) that I've done this type of work before and I've even run the machinery at previous jobs...well, not many believed me and coincidentally I don't get a TON of play.

At this previous job the second I got promoted and had my own small little crew to direct, I began to pull sooooo easily....in hindsight I recognize it's not a good idea.

Anyhoo, this week we get in a temp from my previous job who I used to be in charge of. She's immidiately super friendly to me and all smiles, she knows what I'm capable of and remembers me in a position of power over her. It's ridiculous what that kind of thing does to girls.

I gurantee once I get promoted here the same quality of girls that are giving me cold exteriors will automatically open up towards me. And in that time I will not have gotten any better lookin.

 

[Desdinova]

Something that I've been noticing more and more.... The current generation of young adult women (the tail end of Gen Y) are extremely starved for confident and masculine men. Can you blame them? LOOK at the "metrosexual" men in their early 20s who are in the dating scene.

I've been seeing it more and more; women in their early 20s are going for much older men and staying with them. An AFC in his mid-30s is going to be more 'alpha' than an AFC in his early 20s.

Women in their early 20s have been showing extreme interest in me. My best friend is seeing the same thing... his last GF was 19. I have a 23 year old female friend who's with someone my age. My GF is 21 and has never been with a guy longer than 6 months (we're in our 7th) and is absolutely crazy about me.

Masculinity is generally fvcked for men at the end of Gen Y and in Gen Z. My guess is it was ruined by the Emo movement, accompanied by feminism.