Woman 'harassed' 100 times in 10 hours

[zekko]

Actually, I think she's kind of cute in the face.
But most likely the real reason she's done this is for the ego boost.

 

[HoneyHitter]

Wow just saw this posted on facebook.

This chick (a HB7 to me) is walking around in the tightest possible top and pants, and she has an attractive enough figure to draw instant male attention. Result would definitely be different if she dressed herself more conservative.

I honestly think the majority of men did nothing hurtful by validating her feminine prowess. Most of them greeted her in a nice way ("hi", "good evening") or simply gave her a compliment ("did I just see a $1000"). She only needs to respond if she's interested. I was actually surprised none of the guys whistled. (or did I miss that? )

The guys following her could be considered "harassment", but I've honestly lost count of how many guys I've seen being succesful with this and actually get laid by using this approach. Some girls eventually "cave in" if a guy's persistent and charming/attractive enough. It doesn't work for everyone, but I think the latino guy in the video will probably be able to pull it off every now and then, depending on the girl. (and whether or not she knows there's a camera pointing at her)

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Meanwhile, in the 50+ year old female demographic…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...dence-plummets-hitting-50-says-new-study.html

 

[Paintballguy]

Meanwhile, in the 50+ year old female demographic…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...dence-plummets-hitting-50-says-new-study.html

Some 50+ woman should do the same experiment. We already know the results though.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Ahh, what would the "Mature" men's forum be without deeper insight or an opposing viewpoint? Well, it would be the classic definition of circle jerking.

You'll all be glad to know that I'm here to stop that from happening.

First off, I think the idea of this not being an issue is a problem. However I understand why most of you would think this is bullsh*t. Feminist in the last few years have made it difficult to sympathize with because of claims of abuse where there isn't any. A lot of them complain about "patriarchy" without giving clear evidence as to what the f*ck the "patriarchy" even is, making broad generalizations when it comes to male oppression. Seeing a video like this only makes you believe women are crying wolf again over nothing.

I think the issue here on both sides is lack of empathy. There are things that males have to deal with that women don't (seen more as disposable, pressure to be a "man" and deliver, taught to repress emotions, etc). Feminist and many women in general don't understand this and don't want to: they want to be victimized. And you can't be a victim if there's someone out there hurting more than you.

On the opposite end you have more women than men that have to deal with being stalked or attacked, raped more on average, a short shelf life on looks, pressure to be beautiful, etc. A lot of men here who've watched that video don't understand this and don't want to; they want to trivialize the video as a whole because women either want the attention (makes no sense to me) or "it's not a big deal". They want to be victimized.

Being hit on, approached and followed (no one here mentioned that the guy following the chick for 5 minutes was rather eyebrow raising. but hell, any guy here would do that, right?)

Yeah, this b1tch is a classic Aw. HB6 that likes to "complain" about getting attention.

Statements like this have no basis due to a lack of evidence. There is no evidence to suggest she wanted to be talked to or approached or followed in that video. All the men did that on their own.


I don't know what the video did to make you guys think this problem doesn't exist, but it does. I've known women who have been assaulted and harassed by people on the street. I've been in what many racist would call an interracial relationship. Early on I had to deal with racist men (mostly black) saying rude things and almost getting into fights because my GF wouldn't pay attention to them. Last week she called me from the laundry mat because some drunk dude walked in and started harassing her, asking her sexual questions and bothering the other women there. The guy saw me come in and left. He didn't want to fight another man.

A few days ago I dropped her off somewhere and immediately some guy who didn't see me started talking and walking with her, and I can see her verbally telling the guy to leave her alone. He wouldn't. I had to get out of the f*cking car and yell at him to f*ck off. He talked sh*t and left. He didn't want to fight another man. Imagine the sh*t she tells me when I don't go to places with her. She has also been the victim of more than one assault in her younger life by men.


I'm also surprised no one mentioned that this is another reason why women have reserved attitudes towards the opposite sex on the street: some dudes just do NOT know how to talk to most women. Any guy here worth his wisdom who's read the DJ Bible knows to NEVER approach a woman they way most of the men in the video did. You want the woman you approach to feel safe and comfortable. Keep in mind there were a few clips in that video where I thought the men were being polite. They weren't all a$$holes. I also think that's why a lot of men disconnected with the video.

Again, the problem is with the approach of most of the clips though. Humans are social, but also carry within them the self awareness of decency, and rules of common sense - It's what separates of from ape-rape animals.

They weren't talking to her because they were trying to be nice: every single one of those men were making a play to try to f*ck this women without knowing what she's been through, where she's going, and why is it any of their business. Females are clearly aware of this. Do you think women who don't want attention enjoy this? Do you think the way men act would have any bearing on how some women will look at most men? The decent thing to do would be to say "hi" and not ignore physical and verbal cues if someone doesn't want to talk to you.

Rules of common sense keep us from doing stupid sh*t to each other. Common sense tells us not to say "f*ck you" to a cashier, right before they tell the guys in the back what type of "sauce" to put on your hamburger. It's just rude. You don't saying anything you want to your parent knowing their sensibilities. You talk to them differently from your friends, right? Common sense keeps your relationships healthy. Common sense is a decent thing.

I also think a lot of this pointless, destructive cat calling is due to sexual frustration. As a man we are constantly perusing, putting ourselves out there to be rejected. When rejection happens it does something to our self esteem. As you saw when a girl walks away they get irritated and they just go balls out. At that point to them it's just a number's game and not about timing and execution. More and more it's done out of anger and venting. I've never cat called in my life because I haven't really seen it work.

I'll ask you all here, and I want you guys to answer all of these in order: would you ever cat call a woman? Would you ever yell verbal, sexual invitations at a woman? Would you ever follow a woman who's clearly trying to walk away from you for 5 minutes?

Would you want another man on the street to follow and pester a female loved one? What would you do if you saw that happening?

 

[backbreaker]

Women want it to be equal, everyone has to put up with something, SOMETHING. If the worst thing that you can complain about is getting hit on 100 times in 10 hours, that's a pretty good complaint if you ask me. I'm not saying it's "right", I get it, but that's life. that's "equal". Everyone has something they have to deal with in real life and fight against. I as a black man have **** that I have to deal with, white guys have **** they have to deal with, hispanics have this they have to deal with, asians have **** they have to deal with


This is what pisses me off. My female friend of mine, has a guy in the gym she has a crush on and she wishes beyond hope that the guy would approach her. This is an email convo we had about a week ago

My gym candy came up to me yesterday during a set.. lawd Jesus save me

How is the guy supposed to know the difference between hey I think you're hot and I'm not interested unless he approaches her and 2. It's not the facct that she's getting hit on it's the fact that she's getting hit on by guys she's not into that's irking her. That's cool but call a spade a spade.

It's so much political bull**** because all she's really saying is "ugh I wish ugly guys I'm not into would leave me alone" and people actually believe the bull**** coming out of her mouth about not wanting to be hit on. But how the hell are you gonna know unless you try. Women think relationships just start out of fairy dust? actually for women they seemingly do and that's the probelm; women have no respect for what it's like as a man trying to get a date



I don't think anyone is pro women harassment. I don't think there is a large block of guys that are just pro women harassment and you have to do stuff like this to show that harassment is wrong. The problem is that a woman's idea of what harassment is tends to change depending on her attraction of the person who is doing the harassing. A guy who you think is hot doing something like that to you is one thing but a guy you're not interested in on the street doing it, well that's harassment


some of the behavior in that clip is horrible as a man to look at. I definatly believe all women should be treated with respect. My point is, the goalposts of what is and is not respectful changes depending on the woman's mode and attraction level of the guy and that does nothing but hurt real feminism. Half the guys in that video are doing nothing but saying hi and talking to the woman.


Also the producer o the video stated that he edited out alot of white guys hitting on the women because "they were able to be heard" lol yeah. slight racey lol

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Women want it to be equal, everyone has to put up with something, SOMETHING.

This statement is dismissive and and excuse not to learn social ques, to be respectable to strangers, and it stifles self awareness and control - things we teach here that strive to make us better men.

We complain about women doing many things here that we hate. When you say everyone has to put up with something, it indicates that nothing should change. That we should stay the course of this men vs women thing, when in nature we cannot survive without each other. We have more of the same exaggerations and victimization from both sides. There are mens forms out here just like this one that tell us what kinds of women to avoid. Do you think there aren't sites out there where women talk about avoiding insecure men like the ones in the video?

If the worst thing that you can complain about is getting hit on 100 times in 10 hours, that's a pretty good complaint if you ask me.

Unwanted attention and harassment is not a good complaint, especially if you've been a victim of assault. It's not good for men to posture themselves in a way that makes them look threatening to women. You don't know what would be threatening to a woman? We all here know not to follow a woman when she doesn't talk to us. It looks desperate and creepy. We all know not to say "f*ck you b*itch" to a woman if she says she has a boyfriend. We all here know how to take a verbal cue. I'm not going to sit here and defend some of these men for saying or doing insecure sh*t.

I'll stress again, saying hello or "have a good evening" isn't a big deal. Those aren't the guys i'm talking about. Men have an innate ability to peruse, so of course we want to get a woman's attention. BUT THERE ARE WAYS OF DOING IT. There are ways to approach a job interview. There are ways of approaching potential business clients. THERE ARE WAYS TO APPROACH A WOMAN.

I'm not saying it's "right", I get it, but that's life. that's "equal". Everyone has something they have to deal with in real life and fight against. I as a black man have **** that I have to deal with, white guys have **** they have to deal with, hispanics have this they have to deal with, asians have **** they have to deal with

This is a defeatist attitude. All this means is we have the capacity to be aware of this and find ways to be more understanding, approachable, constructive.

I'm not here on this planet to let things be the way they are. I'm here to change sh*t.

 

[backbreaker]

okay lol

 

[ThunderMaverick]

okay lol

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[FairShake]

When I was growing up guys used to do the same thing. She was actually lucky in that when she ignored them they, for the most part, let it go. Alot of my friends would immediately insult the woman who they were talking to. They were pretty entitled, not unlike fat women actually, and would defend their insults with the usual ("They really liked it" or "They shouldn't dress like that if they don't want to talk to us.")

I do think white guys do this too. Not to the same extent of course but they do.

I think it's a lack of social skills on some guys' parts. They don't realize eye contact should come first and that the first rule to meeting women (or anyone really) is make them feel comfortable in your presence.

But...

Talk to any woman about her trip to Italy or Argentina. Let them bask in the memories of men who would just come up to them on the street and tell them how bellissimo they were. Let's be honest, when it's coming from a cute guy with a sexy accent they are into it. When it's coming from douches in NYC they aren't. Kind of a double standard.

Also...if gay guys were hitting on me like this I'd be pissed everyday.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

When I was growing up guys used to do the same thing. She was actually lucky in that when she ignored them they, for the most part, let it go. Alot of my friends would immediately insult the woman who they were talking to. They were pretty entitled, not unlike fat women actually, and would defend their insults with the usual ("They really liked it" or "They shouldn't dress like that if they don't want to talk to us.")

I do think white guys do this too. Not to the same extent of course but they do.

I think it's a lack of social skills on some guys' parts. They don't realize eye contact should come first and that the first rule to meeting women (or anyone really) is make them feel comfortable in your presence.

But...

Talk to any woman about her trip to Italy or Argentina. Let them bask in the memories of men who would just come up to them on the street and tell them how bellissimo they were. Let's be honest, when it's coming from a cute guy with a sexy accent they are into it. When it's coming from douches in NYC they aren't. Kind of a double standard.

Also...if gay guys were hitting on me like this I'd be pissed everyday.

Exactly. I've been hit on by gay men too and it gives me a horrible feeling, especially if they're extremely forward. I don't get where dudes say "all girls love being hit on". It's true but it's not.

It's like saying "every guy likes *******s where the girl bites down on the tip as hard as she can". No, we like *******s, but ones that would give us pleasure. Same thing with women. I'm sure most like being told their beautiful. Do most like being followed? nah. Insulted when they turn someone down? Nope. Lashed out at because of an insecure man's personal frustration? Yeah I don't think so.

I can't defend that sh*t. I don't know why a lot of guys here are.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Yeah, this b1tch is a classic Aw. HB6 that likes to "complain" about getting attention.

Statements like this have no basis due to a lack of evidence. There is no evidence to suggest she wanted to be talked to or approached or followed in that video. All the men did that on their own.

Lack of evidence? Why did she walk around NEW YORK CITY for 10 hours? Alone? With form fitting clothes on? WHY? What was the purpose of this experiment? Do you think, at the end of the day, she would have been happier if no one talked to her? No one looked at her?

So you're saying, in this circumstance, she didn't want the attention?

Did you read any of the reddit with the director talking about this little project?

They tried other neighborhoods. However, those other neighborhoods weren't giving them the results they wanted. So, they stuck to the neighborhoods where there were street vendors and bums, some of them being people that talk to everyone: Men and women.

THEY WANTED GUYS TO "HARASS" HER.

If guys didn't talk to her, then their "experiment" would have been a failure. They skewed the results, they purposely went to an area where people would talk to the woman.

Being hit on, approached and followed (no one here mentioned that the guy following the chick for 5 minutes was rather eyebrow raising. but hell, any guy here would do that, right?)

Wrong, they did.

but hell, any guy here would do that, right?

OH, YOU'RE RIGHT, Great Point!!!!

Dude, GTFO. No one's saying that particular instance was "okay". That was one guy, she walked 10 hours in New York City. How many guys did she pass in those 10 hours? 1000's. That one instance represents .01% of Men, if not less. And maybe if she would have just said something to the guy he would have left. Still, the point is that's .01% of men, in that neighborhood, where, it's probably more socially acceptable to walk up to random women and try to talk to them, good game or not.

A few days ago I dropped her off somewhere and immediately some guy who didn't see me started talking and walking with her, and I can see her verbally telling the guy to leave her alone. He wouldn't. I had to get out of the f*cking car and yell at him to f*ck off. He talked sh*t and left. He didn't want to fight another man. Imagine the sh*t she tells me when I don't go to places with her. She has also been the victim of more than one assault in her younger life by men.

Nobody's saying this doesn't exist.

However, this goes back to women's equality, Independence: "I don't need a Man"

Men hit on women, it's in their nature, their DNA. Whether they're good at it or not is another story. There are some respect issues, class, agree. However, women do the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aX9mlipiY

Sometimes women want the attention sometimes they don't. They want to post selfies and have twitter and tumbler accounts, and get likes (from strangers btw). But when it happens in person, and they're not in the mood, it's harassment.

Again, the problem is with the approach of most of the clips though. Humans are social, but also carry within them the self awareness of decency, and rules of common sense - It's what separates of from ape-rape animals.

The problem is, that video had MANY instances of common decency, from the men. SHE IGNORED EVERY ONE. Is that common decency?

every single one of those men were making a play to try to f*ck this women without knowing what she's been through, where she's going, and why is it any of their business.

That's what a feminist will tell you. I say hi to people all the time, men and women. Doesn't mean I want to fvck em all. I'll say hi to ugly to ugly chicks all the time, just cuz they're not used to it and maybe it will brighten up their day, is that harassment?

I also think a lot of this pointless, destructive cat calling is due to sexual frustration.

No, it's because we're visual creatures. We like to admire things. Beauty contests, works of art, Sports Illustrated Swim Suit Issue. Why do women dress up, go to the gym, get boob jobs? They want to look beautiful, they want to be admired. It's in a guy's nature to let a girl know he thinks she's beautiful, and that's what women inherently want....when it suits them. As, red pillars, we know that's not the thing to do. However, most guys KNOW they have no chance with a beautiful woman, but they still like to admire, give an innocent compliment.

I've never cat called in my life because I haven't really seen it work.

I have. I've also seen plenty of women's faces light up when randome guys give them compliments. I've seen girls blush and go thank you when guys have said things like: "nice a$$. nice tits." I've also seen girls, who have just gotten boob jobs, ask randome strangers what they think about her new set of tits.

Would you want another man on the street to follow and pester a female loved one? What would you do if you saw that happening?

If they walked around NEW YORK CITY (passing thousands of men), in those neighborhoods, looking like that, for ten hours, I would tell them: What did you expect?

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Figured out a solution to this problem:

Women could just wear a sign around their neck. One side says; "I want attention", the other side says; "I don't want attention". Then, they could just flip the sign at will. BOOM, problem solved.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Peaks, it seems you didn't even address my most important points and questions to the men here. I'll ask again:

I'll ask you all here, and I want you guys to answer all of these in order: would you ever cat call a woman? (You answered yes, but not the follow ups.)Would you ever yell verbal, sexual invitations at a woman? Would you ever follow a woman who's clearly trying to walk away from you for 5 minutes? Why or why not would you do this?

Would you want another man on the street to follow and pester a female loved one? What would you do if you saw that happening?

Lack of evidence? Why did she walk around NEW YORK CITY for 10 hours? Alone? With form fitting clothes on? WHY? What was the purpose of this experiment? Do you think, at the end of the day, she would have been happier if no one talked to her? No one looked at her?

From my experience that I addressed (and your lack of empathy CHOSE to ignore it, because you don't want men to be responsible for stupid sh*t we do sometimes. Which baffles me because this forum is about self improvement) based on where I and my girlfriend were, we experienced **** like this on a daily basis. You fail to address the behavior of some of these men and how counter productive it is to meeting women. You're blaming HER for the ACTIONS some of the guys took.

I want this addressed:

Show me evidence of her MAKING some of these guy pull some of the stupid sh*t they did. By your logic, if a man pays for dinner on the first date the woman MADE him do it. No, we know what signs to look for when dealing with a quality woman through what to do and what not to do. Personal accountability results inviting negative or positive forces in your life. Me choosing to yell sh*t at a girl I don't even know isn't going to get me far with her.

Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yc0Lp1-M48

Incredibly stupid b!tch, right? Could you believe there were some women (AND MEN) on my facebook feed saying how the guy conned the girl into giving him a handjob? How she was a victim because she CHOSE to jerk a guy off who she didn't even know for 5 minutes? I mean the guy filmed it so he must have made her do it.

Your reasoning goes against personal choice and responsibility.

So you're saying, in this circumstance, she didn't want the attention?

She was going to get negative attention regardless if the camera was rolling or not. That was the point. To let people know that this sh*t exist, that a lot of women in certain areas like the one filmed don't feel safe.

Did you read any of the reddit with the director talking about this little project?

They tried other neighborhoods. However, those other neighborhoods weren't giving them the results they wanted. So, they stuck to the neighborhoods where there were street vendors and bums, some of them being people that talk to everyone: Men and women.

THEY WANTED GUYS TO "HARASS" HER.

And the useful idiots delivered. Great job.

Wrong, they did.

Go back and see how many people stuck to this point: they didn't. It was more of a throwaway sound bite. Then it was back to "muh attention wh0res, etc."

That sh!t is incredibly disturbing. Imagine if you're a woman.

Dude, GTFO. No one's saying that particular instance was "okay". That was one guy, she walked 10 hours in New York City. How many guys did she pass in those 10 hours? 1000's. That one instance represents .01% of Men, if not less. And maybe if she would have just said something to the guy he would have left. Still, the point is that's .01% of men, in that neighborhood, where, it's probably more socially acceptable to walk up to random women and try to talk to them, good game or not.

Now add up that to how many times that happens in a week. A month. A year. Years. I can't imagine you've had pretty female friends or female loved ones who've experienced this. It's an issue problematic enough to where women don't feel safe, who have been assaulted through some of these encounters.

Nobody's saying this doesn't exist.

However, this goes back to women's equality, Independence: "I don't need a Man"

I don't understand, so please explain. How does a guy saying obscene, stupid sh*t, following and harassing a stranger equate to "I don't need a man." So you're saying for them to feel safe walking down the street they need to abandon that policy of "I don't need no man"? Is men who see women alone and harassing them a result of this belief? What if she has the mindset of "I do need a man" and this happens? What if she has a boyfriend? Does she deserve that kind of treatment?

Men hit on women, it's in their nature, their DNA. Whether they're good at it or not is another story.

That's the point. The several morons in the video who aren't good, who need this site and someone to tell them: this is not how you talk to a woman. Especially ones you don't know.

There are some respect issues, class, agree. However, women do the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aX9mlipiY

Absolutely agree! You'll get no argument there.
So some women are like that. Do you excuse that behavior? Hell no you don't. It shouldn't be any different if a guy does stupid sh*t either.

Sometimes women want the attention sometimes they don't. They want to post selfies and have twitter and tumbler accounts, and get likes (from strangers btw). But when it happens in person, and they're not in the mood, it's harassment.

Sure. They're in a safe environment to do so . However, you can't seriously tell me that when a woman wants to post selfies, that also means she wants to be harassed on the street from someone who's never seen her instagram account.

Also, it's not about being in the mood, it's about what some of these guys were doing and saying. And trust me, it doesn't matter what these women are wearing on the street. My GF was in her laundry clothes when she was harassed.

The problem is, that video had MANY instances of common decency, from the men. SHE IGNORED EVERY ONE. Is that common decency?

So she's obligated to acknowledge every single one of them? Again, you don't know someone, what they've been through or where their going. She's minding her own business.

I say hi to people all the time, men and women. Doesn't mean I want to fvck em all. I'll say hi to ugly to ugly chicks all the time, just cuz they're not used to it and maybe it will brighten up their day, is that harassment?

I wouldn't consider that harassment and that's the problem with this debate; I have made it clear what I considered harassment is and people are ignoring it. I've said there's nothing wrong with saying "hello", reading social cues to either pursue or leave it be. A lot of those guys who did that I didn't have an issue with. The following, the sexual overtones and the rejection comments were immature, creepy and made the woman feel unsafe. THAT is what I'm talking about. Are we on the same page now when it comes to "harassment"?

And actually, even the polite guys in the video might have come across as insincere when just saying hello. I'll quote what a female friend said about the video: Hahaha this is the thing many men won't get... women can tell if something is an undertone for sex unless they're too inexperienced to connect the two... You have to imagine getting this everyday, all week, all year, all the time. You don't give women enough credit when picking up on things. Sometimes they know.

No, it's because we're visual creatures. We like to admire things. Beauty contests, works of art, Sports Illustrated Swim Suit Issue. Why do women dress up, go to the gym, get boob jobs? They want to look beautiful, they want to be admired. It's in a guy's nature to let a girl know he thinks she's beautiful, and that's what women inherently want....when it suits them. As, red pillars, we know that's not the thing to do. However, most guys KNOW they have no chance with a beautiful woman, but they still like to admire, give an innocent compliment

Okay, so a guy following a woman is just admiring? A guy who says "fu*k you, you a raggedy b!tch anyways" is admiring? You don't see any kind of sexual frustration permeating from those destructive actions? Does saying "f*ck you, *****" suppose to be a compliment and women just respond to it wrong?

I have. I've also seen plenty of women's faces light up when randome guys give them compliments. I've seen girls blush and go thank you when guys have said things like: "nice a$$. nice tits." I've also seen girls, who have just gotten boob jobs, ask randome strangers what they think about her new set of tits.

Sure! I've seen it too. I've also seen women be bothered for minding their own business. I don't see what one has to do with the other.

If they walked around NEW YORK CITY (passing thousands of men), in those neighborhoods, looking like that, for ten hours, I would tell them: What did you expect?

Exactly. It shows how some men don't know how to talk to women, how afc and verbally viscous they can be, and I guess what neighborhoods to avoid. lol

 

[Çharismo]

Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooly fvckin sh!t I loled hard watching this!

She walked for 10 freakin hours just so they could have this type of footage. An entire day of just walking that's a lot of slow steady state cardio...oh whoops wrong forum!!! I'm just kidding... el-oh-elz again!!!!

But seriously this doesn't prove anything. :flowers:

As for cat calling women I've never done that but I do say hi to random strangers kind of like how they were just saying hi to her. I usually get a reply back. Even when men make eye contact I usually say "what's up?!" or "how are you doing!?!". It's a habit I have developed over the years from approaching women and it keeps me sharp and alert.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Peaks, it seems you didn't even address my most important points and questions to the men here.

Sure dude, if you say so.

Would you want another man on the street to follow and pester a female loved one?

Of course not. You are the one that's missing the point.

I don't want them to get murdered either. I don't want them to get stolen from. I don't want them to get fired from there jobs. It would also be nice if everyone who ever came into their lives was just perfect, which made them the happiest people on the face of the earth. I'd also like for every woman to have every person that comes into their lives make them the happiest people on the face of the Earth as well. That way they call ALL be happiest people in the world, and we could live in this big giant Utopia of happy women.

What would you do if you saw that happening?

I guess I'd have to save the day, part of being the MAN.

From my experience that I addressed (and your lack of empathy CHOSE to ignore it, because you don't want men to be responsible for stupid sh*t we do sometimes. Which baffles me because this forum is about self improvement)

That's what you concluded from my argument? Try reading it again.

based on where I and my girlfriend were, we experienced **** like this on a daily basis.

Really? Daily basis? The reason why I didn't originally address this is because your girlfriend seems to be an outlier. I've never heard of a woman getting harassed by men on a daily basis. What does she consider "harassment"?

You fail to address the behavior of some of these men and how counter productive it is to meeting women. You're blaming HER for the ACTIONS some of the guys took.

You're saying I'm blaming her for men saying hi to her, complimenting? Whatever, sure, I guess.

I want this addressed:

Yes Sir!!

Show me evidence of her MAKING some of these guy pull some of the stupid sh*t they did.

She walked around the streets of New York for 10 hours. Good looking chick (kind of), other than one or two guys that could have been considered creeps, .001% of the population, the other .01% of the people she passed made a comment to her. SO FVCKING WHAT? What planet do you live on where, in that scenario, a woman isn't going to get hit on? That's been happening since the beginning of MAN. It's in a woman's DNA to strut her stuff (like she was doing), and it's the Man's DNA to want to be with her, which in some instances, causes the guy to say hi to her, or hit on her. And guess what, some girls actually like that!! Unbenounced to you, and feminists, some girls WANT to get hit on. They LIKE cat calls. They like getting the attention.

If I(white guy) walked those neighborhoods for 10 hours, I'd probably get some unwanted attention as well. However, guys would come up to me, for whatever reason -trying to sell me $hit, actually harassing me, and I'd just ignored them as they were trying to talk to me, I'd also be alert that things could escalate and get physical. That's life though for a Man, and that's why I wouldn't walk around those neighborhoods alone for ten hours. I can't freely walk around the country wherever I want and not expect to get harassed in some places.

By your logic, if a man pays for dinner on the first date the woman MADE him do it.

Huh?

No, we know what signs to look for when dealing with a quality woman through what to do and what not to do. Personal accountability results inviting negative or positive forces in your life.

Okay....

Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yc0Lp1-M48

Incredibly stupid b!tch, right? Could you believe there were some women (AND MEN) on my facebook feed saying how the guy conned the girl into giving him a handjob? How she was a victim because she CHOSE to jerk a guy off who she didn't even know for 5 minutes? I mean the guy filmed it so he must have made her do it.

WTF are you talking about?

Your reasoning goes against personal choice and responsibility.

Huh?

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

She was going to get negative attention regardless if the camera was rolling or not. That was the point. To let people know that this sh*t exist, that a lot of women in certain areas like the one filmed don't feel safe.

yeah, she walks around those neighborhoods for 10 hours then .001% of men are going to give her "negative" attention. Of course they are. We don't live in fantasy land.

And the useful idiots delivered. Great job.

Okay. So those "useful idiots" (.001% of the population) represent ALL MEN?

Will there ever be a world without useful idiots? Other than fantasy land?

The world has idiots in it!!! In other news: The grass is green!!

Now add up that to how many times that happens in a week. A month. A year. Years. I can't imagine you've had pretty female friends or female loved ones who've experienced this. It's an issue problematic enough to where women don't feel safe, who have been assaulted through some of these encounters.

I'm not denying that some women have had negative experiences. But problematic enough to as where women are not feeling safe? You're on crack. I don't see that or hear that in the real world. Go to a normal neighborhood: women frolicking around in mini skirts and sky high pumps, having the times of their lives. Running around like they own whatever piece of side walk they step on.

I don't understand, so please explain. How does a guy saying obscene, stupid sh*t, following and harassing a stranger equate to "I don't need a man."

What guy was saying "obscene stupid $hit"? How many instances of "obscene stupid $hit"? Maybe one or two. Who determines if it's obscene in the first place? If the man doesn't think it's stupid but the woman does....does that mean it's stupid? Or should we let the feminists make all the decisions?

So you're saying for them to feel safe walking down the street they need to abandon that policy of "I don't need no man"? Is men who see women alone and harassing them a result of this belief? What if she has the mindset of "I do need a man" and this happens? What if she has a boyfriend? Does she deserve that kind of treatment?

Point went right over your head - I guess that's to be expected. The point is that a woman can walk around alone all she wants. She can do what she wants. HOWEVER, there are bad people out there, there are "creeps", so don't be surprised if you walk around NEW YORK CITY for 10 hours, that you're not going to run into a few of those creeps. A man knows this, for some reason, I guess, a woman doesn't? If, for say, I was her boyfriend and was with her, I'd be smart enough to at least say: "hey, lets go somewhere else."

That's the point. There several morons in the video who aren't good, who need this site and someone to tell them: this is not how you talk to a woman. Especially one you don't know.

You should go talk to them and tell them that. Then let all the women know you're doing them a favor by teaching these men how to talk to women. This will definitely make women's panties drop, everywhere. I hear a horses hooves galloping in the distance as we speak....

Sure. They're in a safe environment to do so.

What's a non-safe environment? What's a safe environment? Who/what determines this?

However, you can't seriously tell me that when a woman wants to post selfies, that also means she wants to be harassed on the street from someone who's never seen her instagram account.

That's also the point. A woman feels she should be able to do anything anytime she wants and not be harassed.

I don't feel that way about myself. I know I walk down the gay neighborhoods in a tight shirt I'm going to get "harassed". I walk down some of those same streets she did I'm going to get "harassed", just for not being from around there. I walk down a dark alley at 2AM drunk and alone, I'm going to get "harassed". I'm not stupid though, I'm not going to walk down those streets and not realize what I'm getting myself into.

Also, it's not about being in the mood, it's about what some of these guys were doing and saying. And trust me, it doesn't matter what these women are wearing on the street. My GF was in her laundry clothes when she was harassed.

Tell her to get a washer and dryer then. Your GF's experiences are a lot different than any of my GF's experiences. On that note, I remember one of my ex's coming back from a run one time:

Me: How'd it go.
Her: Good, got 6 beeps.

Six guys drove by her and honked their horns. Is that harrassment? Were they trying to "fvck her" (as you would say). No, she didn't think so, she took them as a compliment. Your GF probably would have called the police then ran home and cried on your shoulder where you'd have to consol her for the next two weeks.

Just because your GF thinks that every guy trying to talk to her is harassment, is not my problem. It's actually your problem.

So she's obligated to acknowledge every single one of them? Again, you don't know someone, what they've been through or where their going. She's minding her own business.

No, STRAW MAN, she's not obligated to do $hit. I never said she was. Please tell me where I said that. Try not to twist my words either.

I say hi to people all the time, men and women. Doesn't mean I want to fvck em all. I'll say hi to ugly to ugly chicks all the time, just cuz they're not used to it and maybe it will brighten up their day, is that harassment?

I wouldn't consider that harassment and that's the problem with this debate; I have made it clear what I considered harassment is and people are ignoring it. I've said there's nothing wrong with saying "hello", reading social cues to either pursue or leave it be. A lot of those guys who did that I didn't have an issue with. The following, the sexual overtones and the rejection comments were immature, creepy and made the woman feel unstafe. THAT is what I'm talking about. Are we on the same page now when it comes to "harassment"?

Well, THE VIDEO COUNTED EVERY GUY WHO SAID "HELLO" AS BEING HARASSMENT. She is considering that has harassment, the Director is considering that as harassment. That is the problem you dullard. Yeah, I consider one or two of those guys as creepy or harasser, but not ALL.

And actually, even the polite guys in the video might have come across as insincere when just saying hello. I'll quote what a female friend said about the video: Hahaha this is the thing many men won't get... women can tell if something is an undertone for sex unless they're too inexperienced to connect the two... You have to imagine getting this everyday, all week, all year, all the time. You don't give women enough credit when picking up on things. Sometimes they know.

Yeah, women pick up on the fact that guys want to nail them. You just figure that out? Although, it always seems like the ones that b1tch about it the most are the ones in the HB4-7 range. They seem to be the ones like to draw the most attention to the fact that they're getting attention. Strange how that is.

Okay, so a guy following a woman is just admiring? A guy who says "fu*k you, you a raggedy b!tch anyways" is admiring? You don't see any kind of sexual frustration permeating from those destructive actions? Does saying "f*ck you, *****" suppose to be a compliment and women just respond to it wrong?

STRAW MAN. Where did I say any of this? I want to know!!

Sure! I've seen it too. I've also seen women be bothered for minding their own business. I don't see what one has to do with the other.

The point is, some women like getting the attention, some don't. Some do, but only when the wind is flowing in a certain direction. If you ask women whether they'd have attention some of the time, or never get any attention ever, they'd all choose attention some of the time (or at least come to that conclusion when, after a day, they realize what getting no attention really feels like for them). The point is, Just because a man says hi to a woman, or hits on a women, when she's not in the mood for it, it does not mean that it's considered harassment. Same guy (or different better looking guy) could say hi to her at a different time and be welcoming to it.

There are guys that actually do harass women, and no one here is saying that's okay, and that there aren't men who harass women. However, when you consider saying "hi" to a woman a form of harassment, like the video is, then you're blowing the "issue" of harassment out of proportion in order to turn it into a cause against MEN.

Welcome to feminism ThunderMaverick, you're the newest inductee.

 

[Zunder]

Well, I didn't expect this kind of in depth analysis.
Plainly she's an attention whoar working for some mangina on a money making scheme.
As to catcalling or not or saying hello to strangers -- unless I am breaking the law I do whatever the fvck I want when I want to -- and that means if I felt like catcalling a chick one day, then I would. Not that I have, but no fvcker other than a cop with a gun tells me what i can and can not do.

 

[sharkbeat]

Skimmed through the discussions between Peaks and Thunder. There are multiple core problems we have here.

The first one is universal, and that is people take what they have for granted. Women who live in a big city like NYC, will be surrounded by people. Josting around people to get into the subway, catcalled, people checking them out become a daily routine. They take that for granted, and those become annoying. Take this same woman to an isolated area where there were no men, she would crave that attention after a few months.

The second problem is to use men in this video to generalize men behavior. The producers of this video specifically picked certain neighborhoods to get the results they wanted. Even within those neighborhoods, they managed to isolate the behaviors of selected men, magnify them through the lens of the camera and computer, and make it look like this is happening to every woman of all shapes and sizes on every single city on planet Earth on a daily basis.

What's the purpose of this video? Raise awareness? Awareness to what? Catcalling? That women are victims? Men are uncivilized?

Then what are you supposed to do? Change? Change to what? Men can't catcall anymore?

Quote at the end of the video:

"If you want to help, please donate to Hollaback! a non-profit dedicated to ending street harassment"

What's this Hollaback! organization doing? Why are they asking for donation? I wouldn't be surprised if they would lobby the government to illegalize street cat calling. Next thing you know, you need to define what harassment mean. Is "Hi!" a harassment? Wasting money.

If men are barred from approaching -> Frustration -> Reduced social skills -> AFC -> creepy -> (depending on the personality) -> Elliot Rodger.

A lot of these catcalls are harmless. None of them are physical. The closest to creepy is the guy walking next to her for 5 minutes.

This is where our society is going. Men are no longer allowed to talk to women, no wonder we have so many AFCs.

EDIT:

Sure enough. I just checked the Hollaback! website.

Engage elected officials: We present collected and mapped data to elected officials and policymakers in areas experiencing high incidences of street harassment and will engage legislators to work with our trained leaders to address street harassment in their communities

 

[sharkbeat]

This reminds me of a similar story:
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/please-dont-feed-the-homeless

Yup, in LA, they are considering to making it illegal to feed the homeless in public. They are demonizing good gestures. Why? All because some rich people with connections don't want to see homeless people gathering and eating in their neighborhoods, now all the ENTIRE FVCKING city can't feed homeless people.