Without sex, men and women have very little in common...

[Millard Fillmore]

Not into the SMP scale but -

A male 10 and a female 10

have more in common

than a male 10 and a male 2.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I enjoy the company of women.

Yeah me too, the top is a woman that you get along and got sexually involved in the past with no string attached even if the sex no longer happens.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Because men expressly have told me this more times than I can count over many years. Due to my experience in the nightlife industry as the wife of a club owner for example, I’ve had myriad conversations with men about what they are looking for. That is true here too. Nightlife is a laboratory of human mating behavior. As an extension high end restaurants are similar but with a higher caliber clientele as a general rule. You get to chatting and find out all sorts of things.

Huh..

 

[member160292]

One of my best gfs divorced her ex husband due to his worsening alcoholism for example (he was a heavy drinker when they married but they met in college and he never left that habit behind)…after their marriage counselor advised them for the nth that as long as he’s drinking and refusing to address that problem there is no viable solution to save the marriage.

One of my closest guy friends found out after years into his marriage that his wife was using heroin, had been abused by her own father sexually since age 12, and he had no idea for years.

Thanks for sharing, how did these relationships turn out? Did the partner end it?

 

[ThisIsSparta]

Not into the SMP scale but -

A male 10 and a female 10

have more in common

than a male 10 and a male 2.

Meaning what? That you only have broke, bald, obese, toothless friends?

 

[BeExcellent]

Thanks for sharing, how did these relationships turn out? Did the partner end it?

My girlfriend eventually divorced her alcoholic husband. They had school aged kids then who have since grown up (they are 24 and 21 now.). He had a short second marriage to a diabolical woman who successfully divorce raped him, a woman who hated the children & who was jealous of my friend. They co-parent well and he is a successful enough guy financially but still is a raging alcoholic and this has adversely affected the son especially. She is now engaged to someone else. Great guy.

My close guy friend went through absolute hell. His now ex wife embezzled 3 million from his business, wired it out of the US, where the money vanished, she assaulted him, put him out on the street (displaced him from his own home via protective order) & he was living in his car with their 12 year old son (who is now 25) and he barely held onto his house as she falsely accused him of beating her. Worst nightmare scenario I know of personally. Amber Heard on steroids. She eventually got caught in all her lies and drugs & she left the country because she finally could not BS the cops anymore, got caught lying and using, got convicted then repeatedly violated probation and warrants were out. So she fled the country & never returned. She cut all contact with their son, who she abandoned entirely at age 13. Good riddance but tough on the son. So his divorce (he filed) caused a superstorm of damage, but although his life was shattered he got through it, kept his home, and raised his son on his own. He harbored a great deal of anger at women for some years but he’s let most of that go. He just started chemo for cancer but expects to get through that too. He is a very mentally strong dude. A survivor. He’s gone through dozens of women since his divorce, has many female friends he’s known for years or grew up with, he will make it. But he’s suffered lots of collateral damage, including to his health. His ex wife was once a stunning beauty. She is now frazzled fat and looks 75 at 55. She is jaw droppingly unrecognizable. His son has looked her up. She is also still hateful and is suffering liver failure. Her son realized how toxic she is and cut contact. Awful situation but it’s over.

Both of these friends were in therapy for a while to get through their ordeals. They are both kind giving people and both attractive, intelligent and successful.

 

[BeExcellent]

People have different definitions of what their "best self" is. Obv., your definition will differ from others. For the sake of disclosure, I'm borne of the world you incessantly describe and it's overblown as phuck. The vast majority of its denizens are fake and lame midwits.

You do you, and let others do themselves. We can be successful with women to our satisfaction without submitting ourselves to your proclivities and standards. Thank you.

True enough. Do you, absolutely.

There are phonies and 30K millionaires out there. But those people don’t last long around real wealth because they are revealed as posers sooner or later. Truly wealthy people that I know are actually unpretentious in my experience unless they are still “new” money.

Old money gets quiet and stays quiet. There’s good reasons for that.

 

[member160292]

My girlfriend eventually divorced her alcoholic husband. They had school aged kids then who have since grown up (they are 24 and 21 now.). He had a short second marriage to a diabolical woman who successfully divorce raped him, a woman who hated the children & who was jealous of my friend. They co-parent well and he is a successful enough guy financially but still is a raging alcoholic and this has adversely affected the son especially. She is now engaged to someone else. Great guy.

My close guy friend went through absolute hell. His now ex wife embezzled 3 million from his business, wired it out of the US, where the money vanished, she assaulted him, put him out on the street (displaced him from his own home via protective order) & he was living in his car with their 12 year old son (who is now 25) and he barely held onto his house as she falsely accused him of beating her. Worst nightmare scenario I know of personally. Amber Heard on steroids. She eventually got caught in all her lies and drugs & she left the country because she finally could not BS the cops anymore, got caught lying and using, got convicted then repeatedly violated probation and warrants were out. So she fled the country & never returned. She cut all contact with their son, who she abandoned entirely at age 13. Good riddance but tough on the son. So his divorce (he filed) caused a superstorm of damage, but although his life was shattered he got through it, kept his home, and raised his son on his own. He harbored a great deal of anger at women for some years but he’s let most of that go. He just started chemo for cancer but expects to get through that too. He is a very mentally strong dude. A survivor. He’s gone through dozens of women since his divorce, has many female friends he’s known for years or grew up with, he will make it. But he’s suffered lots of collateral damage, including to his health. His ex wife was once a stunning beauty. She is now frazzled fat and looks 75 at 55. She is jaw droppingly unrecognizable. His son has looked her up. She is also still hateful and is suffering liver failure. Her son realized how toxic she is and cut contact. Awful situation but it’s over.

Both of these friends were in therapy for a while to get through their ordeals. They are both kind giving people and both attractive, intelligent and successful.

Appreciate you providing insight, don’t mind the haters on here

 

[Ricky]

Look. You are who you associate with. All my life I have associated with desirable people, educated people, ambitious people, successful people. I don’t know druggies and strippers and escorts personally for example as close or tenured friends, but I do know men who have been involved with all the above at one point or another in their relationship history, however short or long that interaction may have been.

I’ve had the occasional renter who was not a quality person (the occasional eviction secondary to drug issues for example, or failure to pay rent, which is what financially irresponsible people do)….

The vast majority of my long tenured female friends for example, are in first marriages that have lasted decades already at this point and are still going strong.

The guy on the plane is similar to long term marrieds within my own social network. People like that aren’t here. They don’t go seeking out places like this because they don’t need to.

But that’s not true for everyone.

One of my best gfs divorced her ex husband due to his worsening alcoholism for example (he was a heavy drinker when they married but they met in college and he never left that habit behind)…after their marriage counselor advised them for the nth that as long as he’s drinking and refusing to address that problem there is no viable solution to save the marriage.

One of my closest guy friends found out after years into his marriage that his wife was using heroin, had been abused by her own father sexually since age 12, and he had no idea for years.

So yeah. I hear the war stories from both men and women and I know that people hide things and that not every marriage goes as expected, my first one certainly did not, for example.

I go by content around here. If you read a contributor’s content you learn quite a bit about that person, how they think and what they value. You get to “know” them.

And if the content is consistent? It’s true. Nobody, especially 1000s of posts in, can keep up a facade over many years. That would be exhausting. Y’all can think whatever you like about me personally, that doesn’t matter. What matters is that my content is consistent, my back story is consistent, my perspective is consistent and the way I handle the occasional pokes & prods around here is consistent.

I appreciate your comment @Murk and I think it’s true. But my observation was not meant as a slight.

Doesn’t matter how you get there (to being your best self). Some have smooth paths, some don’t. There is an element of chance in relationships and some people learn to filter better than others or earlier in life. But that doesn’t mean just throw in the towel and give up.

Lots of men flow through SS, learn from the community here and from the cache of information here and successfully apply it in their own lives.

And they fade or recede in many cases.

But those who stay around truly seeking to improve their lives often have an observable trajectory in a positive direction. Whatever that means for an individual man. I think that is meaningful.

I always appreciate your content. I am one of those posters who was here in the glory days of PUA.. then got in a committed relationship and rarely returned until my marriage problems became critical (even so i've spent much more times in marriage help type forums than here). One of the main reasons i came back here in addition to my own problems was to be a resource for my nephews who are a little younger and have off and on issues with dating/relationships. I've learned how the game has changed a bit lately.

If things were perfect between my wife and i, i might still have come here on behalf of my nephews as i love studying game. As it is i gain some things that have helped my reconciliation efforts and also my mindset. I enjoy flirting and meeting women now. I don't have to take it far if i don't want and by virtue of being in a better mood.. my homelife has improved and my wife notices. Some would call it dread game but i think its just called not being an moody, depressed sourpuss.

Women make men better. We should have the incentive to be the best we can naturally, however attracting the opposite sex has always brought out some good qualities in men. We build things, we make music and art, we write novels. It isn't all for love and attracting the opposite sex, but a portion of it is. Women improve themselves as well to attract men..

I am glad you are here providing your insight as its helpful.

 

[BeExcellent]

Appreciate the kind words. I too am a student of game (in case that isn’t obvious)…it is fascinating and I have sons and nephews and daughters all in the dating realm of late teens/early 20s now.

I certainly do not and cannot know everything. Not at all.

 

[jafman]

Why would I be cynical about it? Women fvck hot guys for fun, they may not have a future with then, but they fvck them.

So then get fvcking jacked and stop complaining, when 70% of men are overweight and 40% are obese

Yeah yeah we all know game is everything, but what girl doesn't see a jacked dude fvckable? It isn't what we want, to be put in the category of fvck boi? Then get to work.

People saying it's not like that, they're coping.

I think those statistics are grossly incorrect

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Meaning what? That you only have broke, bald, obese, toothless friends?

Some people get it. Some don't.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

When ever money and my investments come up in convo, women put me in the friend zone every time. It’s actually something I’m working to avoid talking about somehow.

they literally
Go from talking raunchy and what kind of crazy sex they are down with me to “let’s take things slow”

Just saw this.

In my 30's I had to move out of state, back in with my folks for a short bit. Might have been able to avoid it, but it made sense at the time. Anyway, their one real only rule for me was "no strange women at the house".

I pretty much figured my dating life was over for a while. No big deal. Just a bump in the dating life road. However, I couldn't have been more wrong. I started killing it. It was almost as if, me living with my parents was a plus. Very strange. I just had a story to go along with why I was living with them (99% true), something they could rationalize, then they were fine with it. I was spinning three plates at one time and going out on dates. I turned down a 20 something's HB8's invite into her place after a date because I was late for going over to one of my active plate's places.

This all made no sense to me. However, this was at a time when my game was so freaking tight, I felt unstoppable at times, all the while I was broke, living with my parents, and going to be moving back out of state soon. And they knew all this.

The conclusion I came to was that they immediately put me in the category of someone who they could have fun with...aka have sex with for a while then I'd be gone. Like going on a reverse vacation if you will.

There were a lot of lessons there.

 

[svencandy]

Not at all.

All I’m saying @BadBoy89 is that given a choice between Margot Robbie with a brain & pleasant personality and Margot Robbie without a brain or pleasant personality the first option is what high value men will pick every single time.

The high value men get to chose from various versions of beautiful women because they are in the realm of consistently attracting beautiful women. So beauty is a given and the other attributes separate the wheat from the chaff.

I agree if a guy cannot attract beautiful women who are also quality people, then men will often select for hotness above all else from among the women that will agree to sleep with them. That is until they get burned one or a few too many times.

This post hits me,

Ive been with many hot chicks, career chicks who are having interactions with top tier men all the time.

I know why they aren't getting into relationships with them, after spending some time with the girls in question.

I cannot offer anything financially, but I'm tall, in good shape, lead a team, and know how to have fun.

In short I'm getting the "leftovers" that the top end of town financially doesn't want, and they don't want them because they all want to be a man.

Good sexorz though.