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To insist that boundaries are "useless" is completely delusional and ridiculous.

The word boundary exists in the dictionary for a reason.

Boundaries exist for a reason. Not only to set terms and expectations but for those who cross said boundaries to have consequences for their actions whether they like it or not.

Employment, the Borders of countries, relationships, the terms and conditions of so suave itself, the law, how to act in certain social settings and on and on. To claim the boundaries for any of those are "insecure" is laughable at best.

Women set boundaries as well as men. Some boundaries are flexible at times and give leeway. Others get crossed and there are consequences they must face immediately whether the offending party likes them or not.

Claiming boundaries used in relationships which are to be exclusive between both parties are a waste of time and or useless is simply being contrarian to those who set boundaries between the two parties in an exclusive relationship and nothing more.

If two people see value enough in an exclusive relationship they have no problem with the boundaries of being in that exclusive relationship if not they both go their separate ways.

Others whom don't agree with boundaries for exclusive relationships are simply disagreeing to disagree.
 

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You do not have to set boundaries... she should know what you are willing to accept through you actions. I don't think anyone is suggesting that there are no boundaries only how this is communicated.

Another thing.... if you are going to articulate your boundaries then you have NO CHOICE but to enforce what you state. When you do this you eliminate any flexibly, you surrender self control and freedom action to a bunch of fvcking words. You no longer are in control that control is yielded to some form of communication which can be misinterpreted.

Never issue rules that you are not prepared to enforce. In my experience men that layout what their boundary expectations are FREQUENTLY ignore violations and eventually lose control of relationships because they are always fighting over boundaries.

It's just SO much easier to walk away and put distance between a woman that does what you don't want then to be the fvcking relationship police enforcing boundaries.
 

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RangerMIke said:
You do not have to set boundaries... she should know what you are willing to accept through you actions. I don't think anyone is suggesting that there are no boundaries only how this is communicated..
As in what "actions" are you supposed to "communicate" this with instead of words from the jump of going to be exclusive?

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Another thing.... if you are going to articulate your boundaries then you have NO CHOICE but to enforce what you state. When you do this you eliminate any flexibly, you surrender self control and freedom action to a bunch of fvcking words. You no longer are in control that control is yielded to some form of communication which can be misinterpreted...
Articulating boundaries doesn't mean you become paranoid or have a long security guard type list. Simple as: "I don't cheat. And if we're to be exclusive I expect the same." If some chick refuses or can't understand that then I'm not doing anymore explaining but leaving. If she decides to leave first? Then we both go our separate ways. Period.

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Never issue rules that you are not prepared to enforce. In my experience men that layout what their boundary expectations are FREQUENTLY ignore violations and eventually lose control of relationships because they are always fighting over boundaries.

It's just SO much easier to walk away and put distance between a woman that does what you don't want then to be the fvcking relationship police enforcing boundaries.
My enforcing boundaries is leaving if someone doesn't want to uphold their end of our mutual agreement. If we cannot mutually agree before we both start an exclusive relationship then I keep it moving without them. Easy.
 

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RangerMIke said:
You do not have to set boundaries... she should know what you are willing to accept through you actions. I don't think anyone is suggesting that there are no boundaries only how this is communicated.

Another thing.... if you are going to articulate your boundaries then you have NO CHOICE but to enforce what you state. When you do this you eliminate any flexibly, you surrender self control and freedom action to a bunch of fvcking words. You no longer are in control that control is yielded to some form of communication which can be misinterpreted.

Never issue rules that you are not prepared to enforce. In my experience men that layout what their boundary expectations are FREQUENTLY ignore violations and eventually lose control of relationships because they are always fighting over boundaries.

It's just SO much easier to walk away and put distance between a woman that does what you don't want then to be the fvcking relationship police enforcing boundaries.
Good effort. :up:

Some people understand, some don't. After 10+ threads of discussion, then reading the OP, then his subsequent response, that's the only thing I can come up with.

If someone wants to understand, there's more than enough information in those threads.

Otherwise, best of luck.
 

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RangerMIke said:
You do not have to set boundaries... she should know what you are willing to accept through you actions.
Actions are good, but let me say this: People can talk for a reason. Why try to remove the most common way of communicating from communication?

I do agree that if you set boundaries you must enforce them. I don't see that as a problem though. If I wouldn't enforce them, I wouldn't set them.
 

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A Checklist on Boundaries in a Relationship

http://www.yourpotential.net/3/5/A_Checklist_on_Boundaries_in_a_Relationship.html

The goal in an intimate relationship is to feel calm, centered and focused. When we lack these elements in our relationships it is due in large part to an inability to establish and maintain healthy boundaries with one another. Healthy boundaries allow a person to experience comfortable interdependence with other people, resulting in well functioning relationships and positive self-regard.


When you give up your boundaries in a relationship you:

Are unclear about your preferences

Do not notice unhappiness since enduring is your concern

Alter your behavior, plans, or opinions to fit the current moods or circumstances of another (live reactively)

Do more and more for less and less

Take as truth the most recent opinion you have heard

Live hopefully while wishing and waiting

Are satisfied if you are coping and surviving

Let the other's minimal improvement maintain your stalemate

I have few hobbies because you have no attention span for self-directed activity

Make exceptions for a person for things you would not tolerate in anyone else/accept alibis

Are manipulated by flattery so you lose objectivity

Try to create intimacy with a narcissist

Are so strongly affected by another that obsession results

Will forsake every personal limit to get sex or the promise of it

See your partner as causing your excitement

Fell hurt and victimized but not angry

Act out of compliance and compromise

Do favors that you inwardly resist (cannot say no)

Disregard intuition in favor of wishes

Allow your partner to abuse your children or friends

Mostly feel afraid and confused

Are enmeshed in a drama that is beyond your control

Are living a life that is not yours, and that seems unalterable

Commit yourself for as long as the other needs you to be committed (no bottom line)

Believe you have no right to secrets

When your boundaries are intact in a relationship you:

Have clear preferences and act upon them

Recognize when you are happy/unhappy

Acknowledge moods and circumstances around you while remaining centered (live actively)

Do more when that gets results

Trust your own intuition while being open to other's opinions

Live optimistically while co-working on change

Are only satisfied if you are thriving

Are encouraged by sincere, ongoing change for the better

Have excited interest in self-enhancing hobbies and projects

Have a personal standard, albeit flexible, that applies to everyone and asks for accountability

Appreciate feedback and can distinguish it from attempts to manipulate

Relate only to partners with whom mutual love is possible

Are strongly affected by your partner's behavior and take it as information

Integrate sex so that you can enjoy it but never at the cost of your integrity

See your partner as stimulating your excitement

Let yourself feel anger, say "ouch" and embark upon a program of change

Act out of agreement and negotiation

Only do favors you choose to do (you can say no)

Honor intuitions and distinguish them from wishes

Insist others' boundaries be as safe as your own

Mostly feel secure and clear

Are always aware of choices

Are living a life that mostly approximates what you always wanted for yourself

Decide how, to what extent, and how long you will be committed

Protect your private matters without having to lie or be surreptitious
 

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10 Way to Build and Preserve Better Boundaries

Boundaries are essential to healthy relationships and, really, a healthy life. Setting and sustaining boundaries is a skill. Unfortunately, it’s a skill that many of us don’t learn, according to psychologist and coach Dana Gionta, Ph.D. We might pick up pointers here and there from experience or through watching others. But for many of us, boundary-building is a relatively new concept and a challenging one.

Having healthy boundaries means “knowing and understanding what your limits are,” Dr. Gionta said.

Below, she offers insight into building better boundaries and maintaining them.

1. Name your limits.

You can’t set good boundaries if you’re unsure of where you stand. So identify your physical, emotional, mental and spiritual limits, Gionta said. Consider what you can tolerate and accept and what makes you feel uncomfortable or stressed. “Those feelings help us identify what our limits are.”

2. Tune into your feelings.

Gionta has observed two key feelings in others that are red flags or cues that we’re letting go of our boundaries: discomfort and resentment. She suggested thinking of these feelings on a continuum from one to 10. Six to 10 is in the higher zone, she said.

If you’re at the higher end of this continuum, during an interaction or in a situation, Gionta suggested asking yourself, what is causing that? What is it about this interaction, or the person’s expectation that is bothering me?

Resentment usually “comes from being taken advantage of or not appreciated.” It’s often a sign that we’re pushing ourselves either beyond our own limits because we feel guilty (and want to be a good daughter or wife, for instance), or someone else is imposing their expectations, views or values on us, she said.

“When someone acts in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable, that’s a cue to us they may be violating or crossing a boundary,” Gionta said.

3. Be direct.

With some people, maintaining healthy boundaries doesn’t require a direct and clear-cut dialogue. Usually, this is the case if people are similar in their communication styles, views, personalities and general approach to life, Gionta said. They’ll “approach each other similarly.”

With others, such as those who have a different personality or cultural background, you’ll need to be more direct about your boundaries. Consider the following example: “one person feels [that] challenging someone’s opinions is a healthy way of communicating,” but to another person this feels disrespectful and tense.

There are other times you might need to be direct. For instance, in a romantic relationship, time can become a boundary issue, Gionta said. Partners might need to talk about how much time they need to maintain their sense of self and how much time to spend together.

4. Give yourself permission.

Fear, guilt and self-doubt are big potential pitfalls, Gionta said. We might fear the other person’s response if we set and enforce our boundaries. We might feel guilty by speaking up or saying no to a family member. Many believe that they should be able to cope with a situation or say yes because they’re a good daughter or son, even though they “feel drained or taken advantage of.” We might wonder if we even deserve to have boundaries in the first place.

Boundaries aren’t just a sign of a healthy relationship; they’re a sign of self-respect. So give yourself the permission to set boundaries and work to preserve them.

5. Practice self-awareness.

Again, boundaries are all about honing in on your feelings and honoring them. If you notice yourself slipping and not sustaining your boundaries, Gionta suggested asking yourself: What’s changed? Consider “What I am doing or [what is] the other person doing?” or “What is the situation eliciting that’s making me resentful or stressed?” Then, mull over your options: “What am I going to do about the situation? What do I have control over?”

6. Consider your past and present.

How you were raised along with your role in your family can become additional obstacles in setting and preserving boundaries. If you held the role of caretaker, you learned to focus on others, letting yourself be drained emotionally or physically, Gionta said. Ignoring your own needs might have become the norm for you.

Also, think about the people you surround yourself with, she said. “Are the relationships reciprocal?” Is there a healthy give and take?

Beyond relationships, your environment might be unhealthy, too. For instance, if your workday is eight hours a day, but your co-workers stay at least 10 to 11, “there’s an implicit expectation to go above and beyond” at work, Gionta said. It can be challenging being the only one or one of a few trying to maintain healthy boundaries, she said. Again, this is where tuning into your feelings and needs and honoring them becomes critical.

7. Make self-care a priority.

Gionta helps her clients make self-care a priority, which also involves giving yourself permission to put yourself first. When we do this, “our need and motivation to set boundaries become stronger,” she said. Self-care also means recognizing the importance of your feelings and honoring them. These feelings serve as “important cues about our wellbeing and about what makes us happy and unhappy.”

Putting yourself first also gives you the “energy, peace of mind and positive outlook to be more present with others and be there” for them.” And “When we’re in a better place, we can be a better wife, mother, husband, co-worker or friend.”

8. Seek support.

If you’re having a hard time with boundaries, “seek some support, whether [that’s a] support group, church, counseling, coaching or good friends.” With friends or family, you can even make “it a priority with each other to practice setting boundaries together [and] hold each other accountable.”

Consider seeking support through resources, too. Gionta likes the following books: The Art of Extreme Self-Care: Transform Your Life One Month at a Time and Boundaries in Marriage (along with several books on boundaries by the same authors).

9. Be assertive.

Of course, we know that it’s not enough to create boundaries; we actually have to follow through. Even though we know intellectually that people aren’t mind readers, we still expect others to know what hurts us, Gionta said. Since they don’t, it’s important to assertively communicate with the other person when they’ve crossed a boundary.

In a respectful way, let the other person know what in particular is bothersome to you and that you can work together to address it, Gionta said.

10. Start small.

Like any new skill, assertively communicating your boundaries takes practice. Gionta suggested starting with a small boundary that isn’t threatening to you, and then incrementally increasing to more challenging boundaries. “Build upon your success, and [at first] try not to take on something that feels overwhelming.”

“Setting boundaries takes courage, practice and support,” Gionta said. And remember that it’s a skill you can master.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/10-way-to-build-and-preserve-better-boundaries/0007498
 

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An unhealthy boundary is believing that others can anticipate your needs, expecting others to fill your needs automatically, believing that your friends and partners are mind-readers. These are such unhealthy boundaries. You need to know that it does not foster good relationships. All it does is indicate that you are going to manipulate from someone. If you are withdrawing from others without letting them know, or getting disappointed and angry because they did not anticipate your needs, basically you’re manipulating them. Be honest, be authentic, tell them what you need, tell them what you want! Don’t withdraw without telling them; tell them you need to take space. That is your job, if you are the space-taker, you need to tell them, you want space, and tell them you will be coming back to discuss the issue that made you want to take space in the first place. It’s very important that you not silent-treat people just because you’re angry at them. Communicate. That is a healthy boundary.

What are boundaries?

Boundaries help to create healthy relationships. Think of them as a psychological fence between people: this is you, and this is me. We are separate. Our boundaries help to establish guidelines about suitable behavior and responsibilities. Boundaries build “win-win” relationships. I can be good to both you and me through healthy boundaries. If I close the door when I enter the bathroom, I am establishing a physical and psychological boundary: Closing or locking the door means I want to be alone when I’m in the bathroom.

Boundaries are essential if your loved one is an alcoholic or addict. As you claim your power with boundaries, you raise the likelihood that your loved one gets better. Boundary setting is absolutely essential when you’re dealing with addiction, particularly teenage drug abuse.

Who needs boundaries?

Everyone needs to have healthy boundaries in relationships. There are three types of people who particularly need boundaries.
1. DOORMATS~Some people have been raised to believe that martyrdom, self-denial and incessant caretaking are righteous virtues to be practiced to the point of misery. When people are doormats, they allow others to take advantage of them.
2. ENABLERS~Then there are parents who want to make sure their children have everything they didn’t get, and they protected them from every problem and emotion. It’s the other side of the coin and it’s just as bad. These people create a sense of over-entitlement, over-protection and inflated self esteem in their children.
3. PLEASERS~ Some people focus so much on pleasing others that they don’t focus on taking care of themselves. They avoid conflict, and have no sense of who they are, what they feel, need, want, or think. They take on the feelings of others as if they are their own. Sometimes they tolerate abuse or disrespectful treatment and can’t see the flaws or weaknesses in others.

Why have boundaries?

· Boundaries are important to help protect and care for oneself. If you’re not getting the respect that you deserve, take a look at your boundaries.
· Boundaries are also an important part of raising children. You can’t be a good parent without good boundaries. Not only do you value yourself as you establish boundaries, you’re teaching your children to value themselves.
· Boundaries help you to define yourself. Without boundaries, you won’t know who you are, what you want, or how you feel.
· Boundaries help to minimize stress and conflict in a relationship. With clear boundaries, there’s nothing to argue about.

Telltale signs that you need better boundaries

· You’re constantly telling him what to do.
· You’re warning him about what will happen if he doesn’t do it.
· You’re bringing up the past of what he did wrong.
· You’re giving him solutions when he hasn’t asked for them.
· You’re preaching about what people should and shouldn’t do.
· You’re criticizing.
· You’re mind-reading.
· You’re sending guilt trips.

How Do You Set Healthy Boundaries?

Setting healthy boundaries involves taking care of yourself and knowing what you like, need, want, and don’t want. It also involves (1) going inside of yourself to figure out what you feel and then (2) clearly communicating that with the other person.

Examples of clear boundaries:

1. “Yes, I’ll be happy to drive you to the mall as soon as you’re finished with your chores.”
2. “I want to hear about your day. I’ll be free to give you my full attention in 15 minutes.”
3. “You can borrow my CDs just as soon as you replace the one that you damaged.”
4. “If you put your dirty clothes in the hamper by 9:00 Saturday morning, I’ll be happy to wash them for you.”
5. “Can I give Jessica a message? Our calling hours are from 9:00 a.m. until 9:00 p.m. I’ll let her know that you called.”
6. “I’m sorry; that doesn’t work for me. I won’t be loaning you money until you have paid me what I loaned you previously.”
7. “You’re welcome to live here while you’re going to college as long as you follow our rules.”
8. “I’m not willing to argue with you.”
9. “I’ll be happy to talk with you when your voice is as calm as mine.”
10. “I love you and I’m not willing to call in sick for you when you’ve been drinking.”

Get help.

Boundaries need to be clear, specific, and clearly communicated. You may need to think about what you want to say and how you want to say it before doing so




Like it or not boundaries exist and serve a purpose in all kinds of relationships. The above is in regards to women's boundaries. Men, women, everyone sets personal boundaries. Whomever thinks otherwise is simply being contrarian and or severely delusional.
 

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TarantulaHawk said:
As in what "actions" are you supposed to "communicate" this with instead of words from the jump of going to be exclusive?

There really is only one action you can take and that is to put distance between you and her. When you are in an exclusive relationship (never mind why anyone would want to do something like that) what boundries are appropriate? Don't operate under the assumption that women are IDIOTS and do not know intuitively what you like and don't like. By the time a women comes to you asking for an exclusive relationship... she knows you A LOT better than you know yourself. Laying this out in an agreement is redundant. When you negociate a 'relationship' you are NOT setting boundries, you are setting conditions buy which the relationship will operation... violation of these conditions means the relationship is OVER.

Articulating boundaries doesn't mean you become paranoid or have a long security guard type list. Simple as: "I don't cheat. And if we're to be exclusive I expect the same." If some chick refuses or can't understand that then I'm not doing anymore explaining but leaving. If she decides to leave first? Then we both go our separate ways. Period.

You really think you have to articulate that cheating ends the relationship?

My enforcing boundaries is leaving if someone doesn't want to uphold their end of our mutual agreement. If we cannot mutually agree before we both start an exclusive relationship then I keep it moving without them. Easy.
Easier is to just fvcking leave if a woman doesn't do what you like. No need for some chick-like discussion of boundries. Let her fvcking wonder what might cause you to leave. If a women thinks you will leave if she doesn't make you happy... and does not know what what that is... she will try extra hard to and do things to make you happy that you might not have thought of. If you lay out what you won't tolerate then it's easier for her to identify what you may tolerate. Bottom line is when you start laying out what you will not except, you are telling her that you care about her... as soon as she thinks you NEED her you are finished.
 

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RangerMIke said:
Easier is to just fvcking leave if a woman doesn't do what you like. No need for some chick-like discussion of boundries. Let her fvcking wonder what might cause you to leave. If a women thinks you will leave if she doesn't make you happy... and does not know what what that is... she will try extra hard to and do things to make you happy that you might not have thought of.


You must've missed this: "I don't cheat. And if we're to be exclusive I expect the same."

That's not a "chick like discussion". If she brings up exclusivity and I agree I will simply respond with that's cool. "I don't cheat. And if we're to be exclusive I expect the same." Simple. Easy.

So you expect people to be mind readers. Everyone should "just know" what the other expects in their relationships and everything else. And in that mind reading process they should run around like a chicken with their head cut off trying to please you extra hard. LMFAO.

You live in a delusional fantasyland.

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you lay out what you won't tolerate then it's easier for her to identify what you may tolerate. Bottom line is when you start laying out what you will not except, you are telling her that you care about her... as soon as she thinks you NEED her you are finished.
You seem to be using the "try hard" approach to generalize that if you set a boundary with anyone it automatically means they'll either break it or purposefully look for other ways to cause problems.

Caring about someone doesn't mean you care about them more than yourself enough to walk away if they agree to a boundary for exclusivity with you that they have no plans of honoring.

Maybe you can't grasp that which is why it needed to be communicated to you.
 

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Excellent insight, OP. +1.
Adding wisdom and insight to the discussion per usual.

Ever thought of starting a blog?
 

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It's simple. In the multifarious societal conditioning from which we operate (our behaviors are directed by our conditioning), a contender could plausibly allege incomprehension to YOUR "standards of play." Overt boundaries eliminates this ambiguity.

As any party skilled in the art of rhetoric (and women are natural rhetoricians) could successfully argue a valid counter to your unexplained expectation(s), boundaries create clear, equivocal accountability. And with accountability, comes consequence: your exit.

If you walk away from a contender who does not clearly understand your standards of engagement, you are foolish. Overt boundaries are for you, not for her, as they pave a clear, valid, comprehensible, warranted exit should a violation occur. In this gynocentric culture, only a fool enters a relationship without preparing and ready for the exit. Pro-boundary-ers' focus is not in keeping the contender; the focus is in the exit.
 

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TarantulaHawk said:
You must've missed this: "I don't cheat. And if we're to be exclusive I expect the same."

That's not a "chick like discussion". If she brings up exclusivity and I agree I will simply respond with that's cool. "I don't cheat. And if we're to be exclusive I expect the same." Simple. Easy.

BS... It is a chick-like discussion... when you start laying out rules and boundries you are acting like a women. Sorry if you don't like it but it is a fact. Are you really serious about laying out rules that tell a woman not the cheat? REALLY? Do you think women are so stupid that they don't know that cheating is something you will not allow... really???? YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A WOMAN when you start talking about what is acceptable and not acceptable in a relationship. The sooner you realize that the sooner you will have happy health relationships.

So you expect people to be mind readers. Everyone should "just know" what the other expects in their relationships and everything else. And in that mind reading process they should run around like a chicken with their head cut off trying to please you extra hard. LMFAO.

BS you are an idiot... I'm sorry it's time for some fvcking tough love. I want you to be successful with women and this is the ONLY REASON I'm being do blunt... If you want to take offence then too bad. But I care about you and any woman you might find yourself in a 'relationship' with. You are assuming women are idiots... they are NOT, they are a lot better at relationships than most men, DO NOT underestimate them. Do not expect women will not 'know' abso-fvcking-lutly everything about what is going on.... Jesus... You know NOTHING about women. That is clear. Women... when it come to relationships know more about men then we know about them and they know a HELL of a lot more than you do.

You live in a delutional fantasyland.

LOL!!!!!


You seem to be using the "try hard" approach to generalize that if you set a boundary with anyone it automatically means they'll either break it or purposefully look for other ways to cause problems.

Don't put words in my mouth... I did not say that. I'm saying articulationg boundries is pointless, because women know intuitively what is acceptable... and if she doesn't know what you will tolerate, then you are not acting like a fvcking man.

Caring about someone doesn't mean you care about them more than yourself enough to walk away if they agree to a boundary for exclusivity with you that they have no plans of honoring.

Okay you are being a complete fool now... again I'm very sorry if you are offended, but anyone reading this post needs to understand that I am absolutely fvcking right here. MEN do not decide if you are in a relationship... women do this. If a woman approaches you and tells you she wants an exclusive relationship then you can be pretty sure she knows EXACTLY what you will tolerate, providing you are acting like a fvcking man.

Maybe you can't grasp that which is why it needed to be communicated to you.
AGAIN... I am not suggesting that there are no boundries... all I am saying it that it is completely POINTLESS verbalizing boundries to a women... and actually is COUNTER-INTUITIVE to attraction. You and I are ONLY argueing method and means.... you really do not need to lay all this sh!t out... they know. TRUST me they know what you will and will not accept, IF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A MAN. Women are MUCH better at this relationship BS than we are. If she breaks 'boundries' then she is doing this BECUASE she wants to. It has absolutely fvcking nothing to do with a lack of understanding.
 
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i have real limits and boundrys. im in a three floor mansion. ugly girls are not allowed in and guys must get my permission and can't sleep over unless they pay me a sum of a thousand dollars to sleep on the floor in a room of my choice. for a girl to go to the top floor she must be scantily clad with a great body and a sexpert. she must pay me five hundred dollars for the privilege of walking up the stairs or four thousand dollars to use the elevator. i control the tv and the kitchen. if a girl desires sex with me she must be among the hottest and make me a free lobster dinner and serve it to me in a room of my choice. no girls under five feet are admitted and no guys under six feet are admitted. no guns allowed but knives for food are allowed in the kitchen. no foods that i don't like are allowed in the house. im allowed to masturbate whenever i want and mormons are banned. mormons suck
 

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AGAIN... I am not suggesting that there are no boundries... all I am saying it that it is completely POINTLESS verbalizing boundries to a women... and actully is COUNTER-INTUITIVE to attraction. You and I are ONLY argueing method and means.... you really do not need to lay all this sh!t out... they know. TRUST me they know what you will and will not accept. Women are MUCH better at this relationship BS than we are. If she breaks 'boundries' then she is doing this BECUASE she wants to. It has absolutely fvcking nothing to do with a lack of understanding.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to RangerMIke again.
 

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RangerMIke said:
AGAIN... I am not suggesting that there are no boundries... all I am saying it that it is completely POINTLESS verbalizing boundries to a women... and actually is COUNTER-INTUITIVE to attraction. You and I are ONLY argueing method and means.... you really do not need to lay all this sh!t out... they know. TRUST me they know what you will and will not accept, IF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A MAN. Women are MUCH better at this relationship BS than we are. If she breaks 'boundries' then she is doing this BECUASE she wants to. It has absolutely fvcking nothing to do with a lack of understanding.

Humor me.

Explain how in your definition you just "act like a man" and women as a whole all "understand" that you are "acting like a man" and then "try hard" to please you by "just knowing" what you expect.
 

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ZFG Smell Utah XXVII said:
i have real limits and boundrys. im in a three floor mansion. ugly girls are not allowed in and guys must get my permission and can't sleep over unless they pay me a sum of a thousand dollars to sleep on the floor in a room of my choice.
Sorry you are a fvcking moron. Anyone that believes to your sh!t is a fvcking idiot as well. No real man brags or degrads the women that surrender themselves to them... you are a complete POS. I appreciate every women in my life. In my own way I love every one of them. But I love myself more (my twin daugters even more). I love women, but the difference between you and me is that I also respect them.


ZFG Smell Utah XXVII said:
for a girl to go to the top floor she must be scantily clad with a great body and a sexpert. she must pay me five hundred dollars for the privilege of walking up the stairs or four thousand dollars to use the elevator.
Sorry you are so full of so much fvcking sh!t... you lie. I don't beleive a fvcking word you just typed. You are being completely dishonest. You're not some kind of player you are indeed a POS. You want to prove me wrong... send me a PM and we can meet, in New Orleans and you and I can compare success rates and if I'm wrong and you are indeed a massive stud I'll be happy to come on here and praise your greatness. But for now for all I know you are some pathetic POS living in his mommies basement.
 

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