Wisdom for the decent guy to succeed in the spoiled jerk's party world.

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SoSuave is a great place for like-minded people who want to always keep improving. You should never stop improving. As it is, we're men who want to succeed in every facet of our life, otherwise we wouldn't be on these boards sharing ideas and concepts. There are some great posters now, and many who have come out of here to re-visit every now and again.

For myself, i'm a bit older in my early 30's, had my share of success with women, but also some pitfalls. My quest is for the dream girl i've wanted since high school. I will succeed! However, several ONSs got in the way and carried on for much to long.

I even knew at the time these girls weren't LTR material because they put out right way, yet really clung to me in wanting a relationship afterwards. Learn from this and know that:

Girls who put out within the first few hours of meeting them, will put out for anyone they find attractive that quickly, given the right conditions

So, knowing these girls wanted a relationship, what sealed the deal for them? In other words, what kept tmpgstx around them? They kept putting out at the drop of a hat, but more importantly, they knew a way to a man's heart was not through cooking, but by giving him great BJs.

The most experienced girls know a way to a man's heart, is not by being a good cook, but by giving him great and endless on-demand Blow Jobs

What a waste of time, only to be cheated on three times in the end. I'm your proverbial nice guy that is a problem-solver and stays committed once i pledge to something. I'm also somewhat of a perfectionist, so my ego took some heavy fire when committing to something that failed me, yet ultimately wasn't my fault!

So, here i am, getting my mojo back, feeding everything to my ego using it for fuel. Patching up my ego, restoring my confidence, and getting back into the game my way.

Women loved to be worshipped yet dominated

I see guys on the boards whining and over-thinking way too dam much about what she is doing, who she is with or how she is responding to a perceived notion. When you do this you are doubting yourself and are no longer the prize. You are placing most of the value on her, and little to none on yourself. She know's this and you become expendible. Doubt yourself and she has no problem doubting you either. For this i say to you:

There can be no doubt

You have to let that go. It's a disease of the mind (quoted from Bruce Lee) to over-analyze something out of your control. It stems from insecurities. It will only create a deeper hole for you. Don't short-change yourself any longer.

Visualize the things you want (you are what you think). It all stems from positive body language. Upon doing this, things will come naturally. You'll end up doing the right things naturally - and if you should get rejected, is her loss, not yours. You know you're a man of integrity, has and will accomplish a lot.

It really is easier than most people realize. It's just a matter of taking action and controlling your thought processes not to include over-analyzing and being more natural.

The less you doubt yourself, the less other people will too.

Learn how women operate so you are not shooting yourself in the foot with doubt. Know how their emotions guide them when making choices about men. Most often, she wants a guy to come along and sweep her off her feet. You ever wonder why nice guys really fail with women?

Nice guys fail with women because they are passive and take no action to escalate into a sexual encounter with a girl

That being said, most nice guys also happen to be your intellectual over-thinkers (alot here at SoSuave). They are nice because they are humble with knowledge outside themselves, knowing that there is so much more out there o learn and that no-one knows everything. The jerk thinks he knows it all because he is most often less intellectual than the nice guy. Ingornance is bliss, and the jerk carries himself with a winning attitude based on a serious lack of evidence. The nice guy cares, the jerk does not. It is that false projected sense of confidence the jerk has that many women eat-up. Is the jerk truely confident? No. He is just as insecure as the nice guy, but channels his insecurities in an extroverted way, while the nice guy channels his insecurities in an introverted way.

The jerk succeeds with insecure women where the nice guy, with a backbone, succeeds with more secure girls

What tmpgstx?? You can't be serious. Oh, but i am! It is true. The nice guy can and does succeed, but only with the nicer girls. The nice guy doesn't succeed in the jerk's world such as the clubs, and the jerk doesn't succeed in the nice guy's world such as academia. Girls freqent both of these worlds, so is it any wonder why you see alot of 'like with like'? Of course not, people are most often attracted to people like themselves. This especially holds true for women who are more relational than men are.

So then, why are alot of the nice guys here at SoSuave not succeeding with women?? It is because they lack exposure in their venues and are going for the quick score in the jerk's world, namely the clubs and at parties. You know who you are on these forums trying to score like the jerk does, but just can't seem to get it materializing. You use C&F, neg-hits, NLP etc., but with little success. The Jerk is natural with his actions, you are not. Girls pick-up on this right way, and you are filed away into the clueless, harmless nice guy catagory. You are trying to simulate what is natural to many in this club and party world.

Conquering this is beyond you, yet the answer is right beneath your nose. To succeed with the inescure girls that frequent the club and party scene is to talk less, be more sexual, and take more chances. Period. Leading these girls back to your bedroom is an easy three step process. Get to know her a little, show you are game for the evening, and ask to give her a ride home. Here is some more womenese for you:

"I want a guy to sweep me off my feet"
---translates into---
"I want a guy who is not afraid to tell me what he wants me to do for him"

In other words, she wants to be dominated in such a way that she has some degree of control. Her nature is submissive, so she aims to please. Kick-starting this submissive nature is done by telling her what you want and being honest about it. This doesn't mean "I want to marry you", this means "I really think you are sexy and would love to take you home tonight". It is this kind of assertiveness that triggers her submissive nature at the club and party scenes. To succeed in this meat on meat market requires being bold and sexually assertive when the oppurtunity presents itself.
 
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tmpstx, let me discuss something with you.

I love your posts and I know that you remember me from several posts around here. I read your thread, and while you are more experienced than I am as I am 23 and you are in the 30 range, address this issue....

What about the fact that women aren't WOMEN anymore? Where are the femine women at tmpstx?

95-99% of women are not FEMINE, and they EXPECT a man to fulfill one of their needs.

Either their sexual/emotional needs- "The Player"

Or their physical/financial needs- "The Nice Guy."

95-99% of guys try to find into ONE of these modes, and your post tmpstx looks more to trying to help guys become more of a combintation of both of these roles, which is what many guys around here want to do.

But what about the bigger problem? You talk about "success" well what's successful about being with a female that's NOT femine but YOU are masculine?

It's a Lose-Lose situation for you. If you fvck the chicks, you lose your soul and eventually one of these chicks try to take you down, because they really can't stand you for being masculine ANYWAY..because that makes them naturally go back to being FEMINE, which is what the fvck they are trying to run away from anyway!

Deep down inside while that girl fvcks your brains out, she really can't fvcking stand you. A person that has the power to "change" someone, is not liked by the one that can be "changed," but rather dispised. They secretly want to see you fail, they smile in your face, svck your dyck until it turns green, but at the end of the day to call that person a fvcking friend would be like saying Satan gave out food at the Food Bank.

Being Masculine in today's world is just a fvcking war all around. I don't wish to FULFILL women's needs. The natural order of woman was to fulfill mines.

I did the whole Player shyt, and I'm fvcking tired of it. It's like I have to sit my "soul" to the side and say, "I'll be right back..." while I go out and FULFILL women's needs.

No that shyt is conscrewed.

So tmpstx, address this issue......

-DJF
 

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Very insightful DJF, and you have already figured out just how many of these mainstream party girls can be so fickle. In my experience, the nice girl will have sex with you because she has feelings for you. The fickle party girl will have sex with you to impress her friends (knowing one or more of her friends like you) or just to get off if she finds you attractive. The party girl's reasons for having sex are ultimately shallow, while the nice stable girl's reasons are less shallow and more geniune.

Suffice it to say, the only way to win with party girls is to use them for sex and toss them to the wayside. Just like the old saying goes:

Treat the nice girls nice and the slvtty girls like slvts.

Bascially, when you start going after party girls, it becomes a use/use scenerio. She is using you and you are using her. There can and should be no emotional attachment. You'll find the nicer LSE party girls will want relationships with you, while the spoiled rich party girl snobs will dump you and take the next best thing that comes along.

So, to address this issue, my point would be to always dominate the dynamic. If she is party girl, treat her like a tramp and dump her ASAP. Your emotional gratification will come in a that she will come after you thinking she deserves better from you. Afterall, she let you pull her hair, drape a load across her face etc. When this happens, you are in control. You are working from a position of strength, and get what you wanted in the first place (sex). Because that's all those girls are good for, and to attach yourself emotionally to them is counterproductive. Many nice guys do this.

You really have to be the judge of her character and make herself qualify to you in a geninue context. Some good qualities would be not putting out right away, not flirting with other guys, caressing your ego etc.

As for feminine women fighting their feminitity, they're in a losing battle. There is too many years of evolutionary nature behind that to change it anytime soon.

While the masculine man will remain the course, it is not always easy as many are against him in today's world. He often stands alone because he isn't a Sheep, but a Shepard. In today's Western world, we're so concerned about not offending anyone, we're becoming very apologetic. The crazy thing about it is, we are forgiving and letting things slide waaay too much to the point where it causing more hipocracy and jealousy.

It is time for the real men and women of the world to stand up and not subscribe to this, yet keep things on an even respectable keel.
 

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Interesting post, but I don't agree with some of your ideas and I will reply as soon as I can (because I find this to be a very good subject to debate).

Cheers!
 

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GRADE A+ POST!!! I LOVE IT!!!

as to the finding the feminine girls? Look really hard and look for any red flags that you might see. I am keeping an eye on my girl for any red flags, but haven't found that many.

more to this post later. Got to go.

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tmpgstx said:
SoSuave is a great place for like-minded people who want to always keep improving. You should never stop improving. As it is, we're men who want to succeed in every facet of our life, otherwise we wouldn't be on these boards sharing ideas and concepts. There are some great posters now, and many who have come out of here to re-visit every now and again.

For myself, i'm a bit older in my early 30's, had my share of success with women, but also some pitfalls. My quest is for the dream girl i've wanted since high school. I will succeed! However, several ONSs got in the way and carried on for much to long.

I even knew at the time these girls weren't LTR material because they put out right way, yet really clung to me in wanting a relationship afterwards. Learn from this and know that:

Girls who put out within the first few hours of meeting them, will put out for anyone they find attractive that quickly, given the right conditions

So, knowing these girls wanted a relationship, what sealed the deal for them? In other words, what kept tmpgstx around them? They kept putting out at the drop of a hat, but more importantly, they knew a way to a man's heart was not through cooking, but by giving him great BJs.

The most experienced girls know a way to a man's heart, is not by being a good cook, but by giving him great and endless on-demand Blow Jobs

What a waste of time, only to be cheated on three times in the end. I'm your proverbial nice guy that is a problem-solver and stays committed once i pledge to something. I'm also somewhat of a perfectionist, so my ego took some heavy fire when committing to something that failed me, yet ultimately wasn't my fault!

So, here i am, getting my mojo back, feeding everything to my ego using it for fuel. Patching up my ego, restoring my confidence, and getting back into the game my way.

Women loved to be worshipped yet dominated

I see guys on the boards whining and over-thinking way too dam much about what she is doing, who she is with or how she is responding to a perceived notion. When you do this you are doubting yourself and are no longer the prize. You are placing most of the value on her, and little to none on yourself. She know's this and you become expendible. Doubt yourself and she has no problem doubting you either. For this i say to you:

There can be no doubt

You have to let that go. It's a disease of the mind (quoted from Bruce Lee) to over-analyze something out of your control. It stems from insecurities. It will only create a deeper hole for you. Don't short-change yourself any longer.

Visualize the things you want (you are what you think). It all stems from positive body language. Upon doing this, things will come naturally. You'll end up doing the right things naturally - and if you should get rejected, is her loss, not yours. You know you're a man of integrity, has and will accomplish a lot.

It really is easier than most people realize. It's just a matter of taking action and controlling your thought processes not to include over-analyzing and being more natural.

The less you doubt yourself, the less other people will too.

Learn how women operate so you are not shooting yourself in the foot with doubt. Know how their emotions guide them when making choices about men. Most often, she wants a guy to come along and sweep her off her feet. You ever wonder why nice guys really fail with women?

Nice guys fail with women because they are passive and take no action to escalate into a sexual encounter with a girl

That being said, most nice guys also happen to be your intellectual over-thinkers (alot here at SoSuave). They are nice because they are humble with knowledge outside themselves, knowing that there is so much more out there o learn and that no-one knows everything. The jerk thinks he knows it all because he is most often less intellectual than the nice guy. Ingornance is bliss, and the jerk carries himself with a winning attitude based on a serious lack of evidence. The nice guy cares, the jerk does not. It is that false projected sense of confidence the jerk has that many women eat-up. Is the jerk truely confident? No. He is just as insecure as the nice guy, but channels his insecurities in an extroverted way, while the nice guy channels his insecurities in an introverted way.

The jerk succeeds with insecure women where the nice guy, with a backbone, succeeds with more secure girls

What tmpgstx?? You can't be serious. Oh, but i am! It is true. The nice guy can and does succeed, but only with the nicer girls. The nice guy doesn't succeed in the jerk's world such as the clubs, and the jerk doesn't succeed in the nice guy's world such as academia. Girls freqent both of these worlds, so is it any wonder why you see alot of 'like with like'? Of course not, people are most often attracted to people like themselves. This especially holds true for women who are more relational than men are.

So then, why are alot of the nice guys here at SoSuave not succeeding with women?? It is because they lack exposure in their venues and are going for the quick score in the jerk's world, namely the clubs and at parties. You know who you are on these forums trying to score like the jerk does, but just can't seem to get it materializing. You use C&F, neg-hits, NLP etc., but with little success. The Jerk is natural with his actions, you are not. Girls pick-up on this right way, and you are filed away into the clueless, harmless nice guy catagory. You are trying to simulate what is natural to many in this club and party world.

Conquering this is beyond you, yet the answer is right beneath your nose. To succeed with the inescure girls that frequent the club and party scene is to talk less, be more sexual, and take more chances. Period. Leading these girls back to your bedroom is an easy three step process. Get to know her a little, show you are game for the evening, and ask to give her a ride home. Here is some more womenese for you:

"I want a guy to sweep me off my feet"
---translates into---
"I want a guy who is not afraid to tell me what he wants me to do for him"

In other words, she wants to be dominated in such a way that she has some degree of control. Her nature is submissive, so she aims to please. Kick-starting this submissive nature is done by telling her what you want and being honest about it. This doesn't mean "I want to marry you", this means "I really think you are sexy and would love to take you home tonight". It is this kind of assertiveness that triggers her submissive nature at the club and party scenes. To succeed in this meat on meat market requires being bold and sexually assertive when the oppurtunity presents itself.
Actually, the nice guy always has the woman taken from him by a jerk.
 

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They say that a slut is a woman who sleeps with everyone but you. Sometimes I think the 'jerk' so often hazily referenced around here is just a guy more confident than you who gets women you want.
 

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Nighthawk said:
They say that a slut is a woman who sleeps with everyone but you. Sometimes I think the 'jerk' so often hazily referenced around here is just a guy more confident than you who gets women you want.
basically

I rarely call anybody a jerk anymore. People call me a jerk, but I don't call them a jerk because most "jerks" are really nice guys that just go after what they want.

Now, @$$holes are something totally different. Those are the controlling fvckers that everyone dislikes.

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It's not really the jerk's party world, it's the women's party world as that's what makes the party. Nearly all attractive young women are party girls, there is no way around that, nearly all attractive girls have a massive social network and party a lot. Unless you have a big social network and you party a lot as well, you won't be getting attractive young girls. Unless you still believe in the fantasy of going to a supermarket by yourself and taking a hot young girl home with you for sex ... which I personally do not believe.

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Nice girls had attentive fathers and when you play games with them and act aloof or give neghits, that stuff can backfire real quickly.

Instead of all this sh1t lets just say... "tease". Tease them a bit. Play with them. Thats all you need to do with nice girls. Anything else is too much!
 

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Can I get a "Hell Yea" for this excellent post? Let's just say I got attached to a girl who partied too much and had a massive social network compared to me and I learned from it. I know if I want a girl like this, it'll only be for some sex. It's good to know that I can get these young party girls and even better that I know from experience just what they offer...which is nada, zilch.
 

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Technical1 said:
Nice girls had attentive fathers and when you play games with them and act aloof or give neghits, that stuff can backfire real quickly.

Instead of all this sh1t lets just say... "tease". Tease them a bit. Play with them. Thats all you need to do with nice girls. Anything else is too much!
I like this because it works. I only go after the nice girls/AFC females.

That is what my girlfriend and her best friend are.

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I'm glad this post got bumped. Great insight into the women's side... yes, there are AFC/'nice guy' females out there too.
 
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