Wining/Losing debates/arguments with a girl?

LondonTowers

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Men should lead and be in control. But when in conversation with girls where is the line when it comes to topics of debate? Would always winning with a rational argument just make a girl feel you are controlling? I am pretty intelligent/rational guy and can break down a lot of debates I get into with a girl, but I have heard my girl mates talk and say they have broken up with guys who always feel they need to win every debate/argument as it is a red flag to a controlling personality. My conversational style generally allows freedom for different perspectives and I usually break things down to the grey in life and that everything comes down to reality tunnels. But do girls actually like it when guys can just slap down some rational viewpoint and win debates.. does this project leadership and security = attraction? or is it just controlling/suffocating?
 

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in my experience it is always best to let a girl 'win'.

her last 'word' invariably tends to involve another guy's d**k in her poosy.
 

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LondonTowers said:
Men should lead and be in control. But when in conversation with girls where is the line when it comes to topics of debate? Would always winning with a rational argument just make a girl feel you are controlling? I am pretty intelligent/rational guy and can break down a lot of debates I get into with a girl, but I have heard my girl mates talk and say they have broken up with guys who always feel they need to win every debate/argument as it is a red flag to a controlling personality. My conversational style generally allows freedom for different perspectives and I usually break things down to the grey in life and that everything comes down to reality tunnels. But do girls actually like it when guys can just slap down some rational viewpoint and win debates.. does this project leadership and security = attraction? or is it just controlling/suffocating?
Debates yes. Because we are discussing rational and relevant topics. Arguments? Hell no. Arguments are for people who cannot regulate their anger and express their opinion in an appropriate and calm manner. The second I see someone getting angry I usually simply withdraw from the "discussion" because it's now not worth my time. There really isn't anything you should be getting mad at that's being discussed.
 

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A guy who thinks he ALWAYS wins debates probably doesn't.

So continue debates but do so with an open mind. You will actually learn more that way.
 

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FairShake said:
A guy who thinks he ALWAYS wins debates probably doesn't.

So continue debates but do so with an open mind. You will actually learn more that way.
This.

I enjoy a woman who can engage in debate. And especially if shes open minded. Remember, no one is always right. Not you, not me, nor anyone else.
Danger said:
Never debate a girl. Her vag dries up and she will think you are wrong and hate you for your viewpoints anyways.

Save debates for your friends.
Disagree.

I have dated some girls where fierce debate lead to some good lovin'. Then again, I tend to date women who love a guy who can go toe to toe with them intellectually.
 

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Let her do the talking so you can do the doing.
 

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In my experience it's fine to discuss different topics with girls. It becomes a red flag for them when you feel the need to win for the sake of winning. Pay attention to their attitude, when it starts being a bit too agitated find a way to end the discussion. So gauge her by emotions and prioritize that in any situation.

They prioritize positive communication, winning or losing doesn't matter as much to them as being understood. If you focus too much on knocking down their arguments and don't acknowledge their point of view they will feel disrespected.

There's also a distinction between leading and controlling. They like men who can lead, be decisive and clear about themselves. They don't like being forced and controlled in the way that you decide for them, because women today like having the freedom to choose. Leading is having the courage to go first and tell everyone else it's ok, not forcing everyone else your way. This is also being respectful without being a pvssy.

Otherwise I agree with Bible_Belt.
 

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LondonTowers said:
Men should lead and be in control. But when in conversation with girls where is the line when it comes to topics of debate? Would always winning with a rational argument just make a girl feel you are controlling?
First of all you CAN'T "control" anyone, unless you plant a some kind of chip in their brain.

So what we're trying to do is persuade/influence people...

The best leaders inspire their follwers and I suggest that's what you do.

The person who can control his emotions and manipulate the emotions of others is a leader of people.

It's difficult to convince a woman of anything by using rational arguments, but much easier to make her doubt by manipulating her emotionally.

Again, you don't want to convince, but make her doubt.

Here's an example:

A woman slaps you in the face as hard as she can. You want to communicate to her that it didn't hurt, so what do you do?

1) Slap her back.

2) Tell her it didn't hurt and logically explain why.

3) Laugh at her.

I think you know the answer.

DLDR

If you think a woman is wrong it is FAR more effective to tease (mock) her opinions than it is to just make a rational counter argument.
 

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Danger said:
So have I, but I still have had far more success by playing their emotions rather than their logic.
They tie into one another.
 

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The other day one of my plate's brought up her young nephew, apparently he has a girlfriend. She, of course, volunteered her advice to him. Stating to me that she gives out great advice.

The conversation went something like this:

Her: I give out great advice to guys *prideful smile*
Me: Let me guess, you told him to be nice and a gentleman.
Her: well, yeah.... *gives me strange look*

Me: *thinking: should I go here?*

Me: How come?
Her: That's what girls like!
Me: Do you like me?
Her: *hamster makes a few rotations*
Me: Don't you always say I'm an A$$hole?
Her: well.....*more hamster rotations*....you are! *laughs*
Me: How many nice guys do you know that like you? Do you like them?
Her: *hamster in overdrive, with massive head tilt*
Me: Women say they want a nice guy, but that's what they think they want. A gentleman is one thing, but a pandering nice guy is never attractive.

She thought about it for a minute, then I changed the subject, so as not to gloat over my victory, and so she could recover from her current mind fvck.

Stating facts, usually doesn't do the trick. The best way is to ask them questions, and let them figure it out on their own.

That being said, you need to pick and choose your battles. You can't always put them in their place. Men and women will never agree on everything. And when you do decide to take them on, it's best to take from a stance of "I understand your opinion at it means something to me, but lets figure this out together"

If you seek out to "win" an argument with a woman, even if you win, as has been stated, you will lose.

With plates, and especially FB's, I try to stay on lighter subjects for the most part. Women will talk about their day, and there will be a lot of times you can intervene with logical statements trying to help, but instead, turning a "discussion" into an argument.

I'll post this again. I feel it relates: http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php?11498-Respond-To-Her-State-Not-To-Her-Words
 

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Arguing with a woman is one of the most foolish things a man can do. A playful argument is one thing but whenever it gets serious or someone gets angry that's when it's time to withdraw.
 

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Arguing with a woman is one of the most foolish things a man can do. A playful argument is one thing but whenever it gets serious or someone gets angry that's when it's time to withdraw.

^Exactly what Joe said^

Some women it will be easy to 'lead'.

However, the vast majority will not relent, will start crying, or worse, throw proper tantrums during arguments; trust this, the voice of experience. You don't want to deal with any of that, ever.

I like a woman who challenges my intellect, nothing wrong with an intellectual debate, but arguing with one is about as beta as it comes.
 
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