Wilt, Ron, Gene, Fidel>>>>The Brad Pitts/David Beckhams

[Zarky]

Who knows. Perhaps Wilt and certain dudes were fluffing numbers counting multiple group orgies as more women they've slept with.

That would be perfectly legit, but let's look at the numbers.

Suppose Castro had 50 ten-woman orgies, one per year from the time he's 20 to the time he's 70. That's 500 women. So his "35,000" number comes down to 34,500 if you're not counting those orgy numbers.

In those 50 years he'd need to sleep with 690 new women per year every year in addition to that 10-woman orgy, which equals one every 12 hours and 42 minutes. And that would mean no repeat women at all.

Somehow I doubt it.

Even if he had a 10-woman orgy per month, every month, for 50 years, that would be 6000 women counted in orgies, which would leave him 29,000 women he didn't bang in orgies. So, in addition to a 10-woman orgy every month for 50 years (with new women in it each time), he'd have to bang a new woman every 15 hours for 50 years straight.

Somehow I doubt it.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

Charlie Sheen, Gene Simmons, and Ron Jeremy shouldn't be on that list. All 3 of them inflate their numbers by banging hookers.

 

[TDH]

Wilt wasn't an ugly dude back in his day no homo but the fact remains the ppl who have the most sex are the ppl who focus on having the most sex not the most handsome sometimes not even the one with the most game just the ones who TRY the most

 

[Plutoman]

And like you said, but-for confidence and game you will not be very successful. Confidence/some basic game are THE entry level requirement to success with women. Having looks very young can help you get enough experience early on to get experience, which breeds success, but for late bloomers like me in the looks department its too little too late.

Yep!

I'll share a personal story on it, too, to put out an example of looks not mattering. My first year in college (christ, that was 4 years ago..), in a fraternity, had huge parties, we went clubbing, etc etc. No balls, no confidence, nothin'. I could pull off ****y, but in the end I was beta to the max. I'm a good looking dude; I'm not going to be modest over it.

What did those looks get me, even with the fraternity status? Pulled one girl from a club, she was a drunk girl looking for a one-nighter, and I looked good - since we went home within 10 minutes of meeting, I had no time to scare her off with my lack of balls.

Fast forward to the frat house. I fixed some food, I made no moves at all. She initiated the first make out. She told me we weren't having sex, she doesn't do that first night out - did I listen? Heck yeah I did! I listened to the drunk horny girl who really just wanted a guy with some balls to take her and screw her hard. I didn't make an attempt, to respect her boundaries.

Oh, and it got me a month long fling with a not-so-pretty girl. I was a good 4 points over her on the looks scale, but at least she wasn't a fatty, I'd rather have the ugly face than the fatty. Not that I'm any more proud of it, but what can you do? I got a couple dates with girls, and none of them talked to me after the first date. I even turned away the ugly girl, she got fed up and went back to an ex-boyfriend (who I'm way above in looks, also), I was way too beta. She regretted it later, but hell if I'm going back to that.

Fast forward again to today and I'm making the quick aggressive moves on the girls, only rarely under 7's and 8's. I'm pushing past their objections. I'm opening girls day and night, everywhere, instead of waiting for the once in a blue moon cute girl approaching me in a club, drunk, wanting to screw, at 2am. My looks work in my favor now; before, it was a useless asset without the balance to follow it.

We live in a gray world, not a black and white world, and every situation is contextual.

 

[floydb25]

Yep!

I'll share a personal story on it, too, to put out an example of looks not mattering. My first year in college (christ, that was 4 years ago..), in a fraternity, had huge parties, we went clubbing, etc etc. No balls, no confidence, nothin'. I could pull off ****y, but in the end I was beta to the max. I'm a good looking dude; I'm not going to be modest over it.

What did those looks get me, even with the fraternity status? Pulled one girl from a club, she was a drunk girl looking for a one-nighter, and I looked good - since we went home within 10 minutes of meeting, I had no time to scare her off with my lack of balls.

Fast forward to the frat house. I fixed some food, I made no moves at all. She initiated the first make out. She told me we weren't having sex, she doesn't do that first night out - did I listen? Heck yeah I did! I listened to the drunk horny girl who really just wanted a guy with some balls to take her and screw her hard. I didn't make an attempt, to respect her boundaries.

Oh, and it got me a month long fling with a not-so-pretty girl. I was a good 4 points over her on the looks scale, but at least she wasn't a fatty, I'd rather have the ugly face than the fatty. Not that I'm any more proud of it, but what can you do? I got a couple dates with girls, and none of them talked to me after the first date. I even turned away the ugly girl, she got fed up and went back to an ex-boyfriend (who I'm way above in looks, also), I was way too beta. She regretted it later, but hell if I'm going back to that.

Fast forward again to today and I'm making the quick aggressive moves on the girls, only rarely under 7's and 8's. I'm pushing past their objections. I'm opening girls day and night, everywhere, instead of waiting for the once in a blue moon cute girl approaching me in a club, drunk, wanting to screw, at 2am. My looks work in my favor now; before, it was a useless asset without the balance to follow it.

We live in a gray world, not a black and white world, and every situation is contextual.

AGREED + same experiences (over and over again).

 

[Zarky]

I've found that the only guys I ever met in high school and even college who could pull chicks with skill, always had either an older brother or older mentor as a teenager who taught them how.

I personally started teaching myself by reading online stuff in the mid-90s when I was in college. My dad's a great guy but a total beta and never taught me anything, and I have no siblings or older experienced male friends.

Therefore in high school I was a total chump.. one girlfriend senior year who I blew off when we first met because I was interested in another girl. Totally made her interested in me, by mistake LOL.

In college I wasn't much better, it took me years to self-teach. Like late 20s. And I'm still learning, probably for life.

 

[AriMamba]

i think you guys waste too much of your time worrying about looks.....

just my 2 cents don't take it personally.

 

[foreverAFC]

Julio Iglesias is a []D[][]\/[][]D, that guy a is a true Don Juan

 

[Purefilth]

The thing with famous people / celebrities is they have MAXXED OUT on the social proof scale.

That is something everyone here could get to grips with - work on social proof, expand your social circles, become your very own minor brand of famous.

Then carry out the looks debate - when each of you is well known in your own niche environment theres one less variable to take into account.



In other words - go make some friends.

 

[betheman]

My looks work in my favor now; before, it was a useless asset without the balance to follow it.

they were and never will be a useless asset, you just didnt know what to do with them, now you do, without them you wouldnt be as successful now

 

[joe henny]

sure it makes them wet. but dose it get them laid more then the guy with game. NO

that's what people are forgetting. hot mussel guy gets the ATTENTION slack Game guy gets the lay. ( MOST of the time)

Oh yea? How many guys you know in excellent shape going to a dating forum for advice on getting pvssy as opposed to the one's with "game".

You don't need game if you are who you say you are.

 

[joe henny]

Here it is, you take two guys both are 5'11 and weigh 180 pounds, both are skinny fat, both look very similar almost identical, both are aged 22.

One day both of them decide to sleep with more women, one goes to gym everyday for 2 years and eats super clean the other learns game for two years and keeps his current diet.

Now stick both in a crowded environment and observe how the ladies react to both guys.

I bet the entire solar system that the dude that went to gym everyday for 2 years straight and ate a clean diet will get more attention from the ladies then from the guy that learnt pure game.

I've played sports my entire life I know what looking good does to women, they get wet very hard and very fast. Back in my peak fighting years of 22/23 I had girls tell me after a few weeks that they hated sitting in my car/moterbike without wearing a panty liner because of the way I look it made them wet.

All your game can not buy that response from a women, all the words you spit means nothing when a guy like myself can show up and girls start drooling. I am no "god looks" guy I'm just fit that's all


The list you threw up shows that each and everyone of those men had "status".

And that's what this is all about, you get the "looks" you get the "status" and you learn a tiny bit of "game". I recommend pook as a starting point and rollo's blog for more info and you will destroy 99% of the guys out there. There the entire website in a nutshell

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you 200%

I am 6'2 muscular and very lean currently. When I first got into "game" a few years back to get over an ex I was kinda in shape but a lot of it game. I started noticing though as I got bigger the trend changed it went from me chasing ***** to it chasing me. Pook was sooo right, I have another friend who is really into lifting like me and I swear man no homo but every time we go out we both see chicks eye ****ing us out the corner of their eyes.

I remember having to go out and "hunt" for girls, now it's more of a "hmm I wonder if I will see any hot chicks checking me out". It went from me approaching women to either having women approach me, give me strong eye contact or openly flirt with me. The response is insane, even a chick I was always stuck in friend-zone with during HS saw me and was instantly on my c0ck at her job. Starting the convo and keeping it going, with me saying like 2-3 words. I rarely talk now, don't even hit them up first. When I go out now I always get a chick or a few, and this is with MINIMAL effort. I used to go out thinking :got to get chicks got to holler at 5 chicks at least: Now I go and sit and chill and usually get approached with some corny line to make it look like the chick was being casual. Even convo's run way different, I remember having to think of ways to put the moves on chicks and initiate the sex, now the chicks are bringing it up, and making the move. Sex on the first date is a guarantee and the first date is usually just a casual hang out, or over to my or her spot. Also I could never get older chicks and now older chicks are just throwing it at me basically, that's their fantasy getting plowed by an in shape young buck.

It's a whole new world when you go from hunting to chicks to having your body do the hunting pook was so right. People who are not there just don't know what it's like man, that feeling that all the chicks are jocking you and I'm a humble guy but I can see a major diff within the last few years. It's to the point I have even had a few female professors open up convos with me major transition. I encourage everyone to get under the iron man it will change your perspective and it'll help you see that women really aren't all that serious of an issue. There's way bigger ish in life.

btw who was rollo?

 

[TDH]

How much u weigh

 

[floydb25]

they were and never will be a useless asset, you just didnt know what to do with them, now you do, without them you wouldnt be as successful now

Hmmmm... Good point. I think a lot of us didn't realize our full potential, or use whatever resources / qualities we had to our advantage. Or even knew how to. Or that we had them available.

It also doesn't help when you have low self-esteem, co-dependancy and approval-seeking issues, a submissive nature, and all these *******s bringing you down, holding you back, keeping you below their level, and sabotaging your successes / dumping their insecurities out on you / trying to control and define you. That definitely destroyed a lot of my chances. Didn't realize how much ego, competition, and jealousy was out there, or how many dysfunctional losers who wanted to see you fail and be miserable (like them). :cuss:

But, like I always say: it's a new day brah.

 

[Purefilth]

Joe henney has it like me 6'4", lean, 13 stone and its all in the right places. A tight fitting t-shirt and you get the looks in from chicks.

 

[Plutoman]

they were and never will be a useless asset, you just didnt know what to do with them, now you do, without them you wouldnt be as successful now

What I mean is that in not knowing what to do with it, it is effectively useless. It did not help me get laid until I knew what to do with them. Thus, it had no use - I would have gotten the same amount of ***** had I looked bad.

Now that I know how to use it, it is now a beneficial asset. That's why I specifically called it a useless asset - it was still an asset, it just had no use at the time for me. Just grammar nitpicks to clarify my point.

It's like a business having an extra warehouse; when they have nothing to store, it's a useless asset just sitting there. When they figure out a use for it, it's now a beneficial asset for them.

 

[Down Low]

Oh yea? How many guys you know in excellent shape going to a dating forum for advice on getting pvssy as opposed to the one's with "game".

You don't need game if you are who you say you are.

Junior Seau was a hot muscle guy with high status. He could have used more game. Too bad he never went to this dating forum for advice.

 

[goundra]

If you could see my Filipina, you would crap, guys. I'm 60, bald, wear dentures, have flat feet, sagging eyelids, wrinkles, etc, but she is one of the most lovely women who ever walked this Earth, I kid you not. Go where the supply IS, guys, and get the BEST, instead of settling for the crumbs.

 

[joe henny]

Joe henney has it like me 6'4", lean, 13 stone and its all in the right places. A tight fitting t-shirt and you get the looks in from chicks.

what is 13 stone?

And yes bro it was my first day of back to school at my college, I was getting all types of chicks mirin my aesthetics. lol. I don't even have to waste time talking anymore cheers!