Wife Leaves Husband Of 22 Years Cause He Was "Thinking Of Voting Trump"

[RangerMIke]

@Tenacity 30 plus years of dating experience says when a woman loves you she wil do whatever you want. If she won't then she isn't in love.

Black American women are a special kind of fvcked up. There are a lot of reasons, but the bottomline is most Blacks in the USA are raised by single mothers. And women are completely incapable of raising children. They can take care of babies but once the kids are in school they are by and large worthless. So Black culture in the US is a steaming pile.

This is caused by the government replacing fathers. Black women are not interested in Black men unless they can provide stuff at the same level as government. The only way a poor bkack man can compete with government is crime, unless they are takented enough to make in in sports or entertainment... and if they can.. typically well off black men get with white women.... which is a whole different kind of fvcking hell if you marry them.

 

[SmooveMooves]

Because the Manosphere is FAMOUS for providing unrealistic descriptions of how events play out with women. If you walk like this, talk like this, and wear this color shirt.......your woman will be submissive, never talk back, never be a bytch, etc., etc.

It's stupid and cartoonish. Like I said, relationships with most women are a power struggle and if the chick can't control you (you operate in her frame) she won't be in a relationship with you the vast majority of the time.

But let you guys tell it, your cartoon character unrealistic descriptions are reality......smh

I am not the manosphere and as I said in the previous post I did not describe anything hyperbolic nor unrealistic. Yes, relationships are power struggles. The women I've dated did not require they be in control of me. They preferred I lead. Yes black women aren't typically submissive, this is why most of the black women I dated have been mixed or lighter skinned.

Dude I don't know WHAT world you are living in. Seriously. Black conservatives/republicans are routinely shunned, mocked, roasted, cussed out, and called all types of names in the book NOT just on the damn internet but EVERYWHERE. This has been going on WAY before the damn internet.....at least since the 1970s!

This may be where our disconnect lies. I am younger than you. I cannot attest to the 70s. However, what I can say is the worldwide Nationalist-Populist uprise has made being a conservative less taboo -- for everyone --including blacks. This is because the left has been in major power for so long that they have become the establishment they opposed and cemented conservertism as the counter-culture. More youth than ever identifies as conservative due to how rebellious and edgy itd viewed. You are not the arbiter of the black experience. I am black as well and speaking from experience, just as you are. I have not experienced what you have described when I tell people I'm conservative/Trump supporter. I told you why I personally think I dont.

 

[SmooveMooves]

there are those who need to maintain a "frame" or get in the "state" and others like myself who simply dont worry about being in the "frame" or getting in the "state" as if they arent in control of themselves and are socially and common sense clueless to begin with.

Talking about frame doesn't present any of those assumptions. Just because you personally don't need to think about something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you are so socially acute that you don't need to look at social dynamics in this way - good for you.

 

[9Volt]

Talking about frame doesn't present any of those assumptions. Just because you personally don't need to think about something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you are so socially acute that you don't need to look at social dynamics in this way - good for you.

What @Tenacity said below:

I know what FRAME is in both the context used in the Manosphere and the context used in other aspects of life. The problem with the way it's presented here on The Manosphere is that it's being promoted in completely unrealistic cartoon fashions.

- You can display a frame, doesn't mean people will follow it nor go along with it.

- You can also display a frame and that doesn't mean other people don't have THEIR frame, which means you would need to work in balance with their frame in order to exist in harmony. Not this cartoonish shyt about everybody submitting to you and kissing your a.ss

- I also HATE the word "frame", in this regards it's just cartoonish. Just have confidence in yourself and set boundaries/limits, as well as, have some level of standards.


Not specifically talking about you. But there is no "frame". Frames are square and or boxed in. Life isn't. No one operates in every instance exactly the same as the last even IF the last instance was the same scenario. There's infinite intangibles and variables at play in life. This general "frame" nonsense gets parroted and thrown about as if by simply saying "stay in the frame!" "control the frame!" is some scripted cult like cartoon world that revolves around whatever we decide to script it as. Shyt is just as idiotic as the PUA "state" = State of mental masturdebating retardation.

 

[EyeBRollin]

@Tenacity 30 plus years of dating experience says when a woman loves you she wil do whatever you want. If she won't then she isn't in love.

Black American women are a special kind of fvcked up. There are a lot of reasons, but the bottomline is most Blacks in the USA are raised by single mothers. And women are completely incapable of raising children. They can take care of babies but once the kids are in school they are by and large worthless. So Black culture in the US is a steaming pile.
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Easy there, playa. That's a huge generalization. There are also subsets of black culture and black women. Here in the Northeast, black women run the full gammit from off the boat, 1st generation (parents immigrate from Africa or the Caribbean), and "black American" (southern roots), both hood ("ghetto") and suburban ("oreo"). Like all women, they respond to the same emotional stimuli.

"Black culture is a steaming pile" is more of a myth than reality, especially in regards to the women. Black women have higher college graduation and attainment than any other demographic in America.

 

[RangerMIke]

Easy there, playa. That's a huge generalization. There are also subsets of black culture and black women. Here in the Northeast, black women run the full gammit from off the boat, 1st generation (parents immigrate from Africa or the Caribbean), and "black American" (southern roots), both hood ("ghetto") and suburban ("oreo"). Like all women, they respond to the same emotional stimuli.

"Black culture is a steaming pile" is more of a myth than reality, especially in regards to the women. Black women have higher college graduation and attainment than any other demographic in America.

Bullsh!t you know I am right, feminism has ruined the black community.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Bullsh!t you know I am right, feminism has ruined the black community.

No. The black community doesn't have a family unit for reasons more important than feminism.

 

[Tenacity]

No. The black community doesn't have a family unit for reasons more important than feminism.

Mike is right EyeB, you have to call it what it is.

External Forces: Yes, these external forces like slavery and racism have contributed to black community issues.

Internal Forces: But the internal forces related to the piss poor choices that black men and black women are making TODAY, is contributing FAR MORE to their fvcked up situation than slavery and racism are doing. ONE of those choices are black women deliberately choosing RAY RAY and POOKIE (broke, jobless, carless, damn near 30 or over 30 year old men who sell drugs and produce kids they don't take care of) because she wants to RUN the show.

 

[RangerMIke]

No. The black community doesn't have a family unit for reasons more important than feminism.

We created Afirmative action to help Black Americans, it was a great program but left to do just this the Black community would be a fully functional sub-culture...

But NOOOOO! We couldn't leave out women! So then white women became eligible for Afirmative action initiatives... diluting the effects for the black community. It was FEMINISTS that did this bvll****.... FEMINISTS and their white knight marginal allies. White women are among the most privileged members of society... it is FVCKING laughable to suggest they needed Afirmative Action. All women needed protection from sexism... and they have it... they didn't need to take away from black men that REALLY needed protection so that they could provide for families.

Then in the 60s Black leaders bought into the whole cross sectional BVLLSH1T alliance... and have ever since... and this alliance has done nothing but sh!t on black men.

Riddle me this why is it that with a Black President in office, and most major cities run by black city counsels and black mayors.... and if they are not black, they are Democrats. Why? Do you suppose we have the BLM movement? The reason is that Democrats do not give a flying FVCK about black men.

Black men today are by and large being raised by stupid single mom's who do not really give a sh!t about them. And this is why black men who make up only 5.8% of the population are responsible for 38% of crime in the US.

It isn't racism, or White Male privilege. Don't get me wrong being white is an advantage, but not enough to prevent good people from making it to the top... otherwise we would not have ever had a Black President. If America was a racist nation, Obama never would have been elected PERIOD.

 

[Tenacity]

We created Afirmative action to help Black Americans, it was a great program but left to do just this the Black community would be a fully functional sub-culture...

But NOOOOO! We couldn't leave out women! So then white women became eligible for Afirmative action initiatives... diluting the effects for the black community. It was FEMINISTS that did this bvll****.... FEMINISTS and their white knight marginal allies. White women are among the most privileged members of society... it is FVCKING laughable to suggest they needed Afirmative Action. All women needed protection from sexism... and they have it... they didn't need to take away from black men that REALLY needed protection so that they could provide for families.

Then in the 60s Black leaders bought into the whole cross sectional BVLLSH1T alliance... and have ever since... and this alliance has done nothing but sh!t on black men.

Riddle me this why is it that with a Black President in office, and most major cities run by black city counsels and black mayors.... and if they are not black, they are Democrats. Why? Do you suppose we have the BLM movement? The reason is that Democrats do not give a flying FVCK about black men.

Black men today are by and large being raised by stupid single mom's who do not really give a sh!t about them. And this is why black men who make up only 5.8% of the population are responsible for 38% of crime in the US.

It isn't racism, or White Male privilege. Don't get me wrong being white is an advantage, but not enough to prevent good people from making it to the top... otherwise we would not have ever had a Black President. If America was a racist nation, Obama never would have been elected PERIOD.

I could not have said it better.

The problem is very deep Mike, because people like me and you KNOW the problem.....but when we discuss the problem, we are immediately labeled racist (if you're white you're racist, if you're black you are an Uncle Tom/Coon) and EVERYTHING that we are saying is immediately brushed to the side, while the problems continue, the bad decisions continue, and the conditions get worse and worse and worse.

It's VERY hard being a black man, but I believe it's even harder being a black man like TENACITY.

- I'm hated by Middle America due to the actions of RAY RAY and POOKIE. I at times get lumped in with these fvcking idiots.

- Then I'm hated by Black People because supposedly, I'm a TOKEN by white people and act like I'm white. I'm a sell-out, Uncle Tom, and Coon.

For guys on this forum to THINK these social dynamics DO NOT play a part in dating relations, they are sadly mistaken. There are more market dynamics at play that have nothing to do with your own individual choices, which is why when guys like Legend keep trying to make it "all the man's fault"....is making a faulty argument.

Mike I have never met an ATTRACTIVE black woman, aged 24 - 40, that was NOT a far, left, "we are all victims" liberal. Which means at the very beginning Mike, I'm already at a disadvantage to Ray Ray and Pookie because the bytch ALREADY SEES me as "the enemy". She already sees me as the Uncle Tom. She already sees me as the Coon.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I'm not going down this road with either of you gentlemen. You both have a lot to learn. I'd be happy to discuss over PM.

Tenacity, you mean well but don't bring your personal issues and politics into relationships. You sound bitter. I mean that constructively. We both date the same kind of women, so why don't I have the same issues you do? I probably talk and act "whiter" than you.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Mike is right EyeB, you have to call it what it is.

ONE of those choices are black women deliberately choosing RAY RAY and POOKIE (broke, jobless, carless, damn near 30 or over 30 year old men who sell drugs and produce kids they don't take care of) because she wants to RUN the show.

I think you're dating the wrong women brother. You're in Detroit Metro, right? Maybe I'm running into more cosmopolitan black women in NYC Area. The black women in Atlanta and DC I've heard are bougie.

 

[Tenacity]

I think you're dating the wrong women brother. You're in Detroit Metro, right? Maybe I'm running into more cosmopolitan black women in NYC Area. The black women in Atlanta and DC I've heard are bougie.

I'm probably going to move honestly once my current 2 year deal is up with a company I just signed on with. That would be around 2019. But while I honestly have NOT sampled other territories that much, I am hearing the same similar stories across the country though.

Are you saying you are running into a lot of black women that fit the following:

- Looks are good
- No kids
- Finances are good/Good education
- Age 24 - 32
- No major personality or attitude problems
- NO history dating Ray Ray, Pookie, Criminals, Gangbangers, Dope Dealers, Terriorists, etc.

I can find women that fit MOST of this over here in the Suburbs of Detroit, but usually they will have some type of personality or attitude issue along with SOME history of dating thugs even if she doesn't have a kid by a thug.

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Dude also if I'm being honest....but I"m just personally DISGUSTED by black women dating thugs man. I'm sorry. I'm just disgusted. We all know the fvcked up situations of black people in the inner city. For a black woman to date a THUG who we ALL know is:

- Knocking up women with kids and not Fathering them or providing, creating a HOST of issues
- Selling drugs to his own people, poisoning them, and using the money to buy DUMB shyt
- Shooting up the black neighborhoods killing innocent kids in the process

For a BLACK WOMAN, to get the fvck up here and to say ANYTHING POSITIVE about this motherfvcker, just god damn DISGUSTS ME MAN. Seriously....it has nothing at all to do about pvssy or anything.....it would be like an American woman praising OSAMA BIN LADEN in the face of an American solider! That's how DISGUSTING this shyt feels to me man.

I swear it makes me want to just.......beat a black bytch's a.ss!

 

[EyeBRollin]

- Looks are good
- No kids
- Finances are good/Good education
- Age 24 - 32
- No major personality or attitude problems
- NO history dating Ray Ray, Pookie, Criminals, Gangbangers, Dope Dealers, Terriorists, etc.

Yes, the only point I'm unclear about is the last one. This is mostly because I don't ask. Think of it this way, @Tenacity . If she's single, she's not with Ray Ray and Pookie anymore. Why do you care at this point?

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Dude also if I'm being honest....but I"m just personally DISGUSTED by black women dating thugs man. I'm sorry. I'm just disgusted. We all know the fvcked up situations of black people in the inner city. For a black woman to date a THUG who we ALL know is:

- Knocking up women with kids and not Fathering them or providing, creating a HOST of issues
- Selling drugs to his own people, poisoning them, and using the money to buy DUMB shyt
- Shooting up the black neighborhoods killing innocent kids in the process

For a BLACK WOMAN, to get the fvck up here and to say ANYTHING POSITIVE about this motherfvcker, just god damn DISGUSTS ME MAN. Seriously....it has nothing at all to do about pvssy or anything.....it would be like an American woman praising OSAMA BIN LADEN in the face of an American solider! That's how DISGUSTING this shyt feels to me man.

I swear it makes me want to just.......beat a black bytch's a.ss!

Now we get to the root of the issue. Are you in therapy? You should hire a shrink for this. This anger isn't productive man.

 

[Tenacity]

Yes, the only point I'm unclear about is the last one. This is mostly because I don't ask. Think of it this way, @Tenacity . If she's single, she's not with Ray Ray and Pookie anymore. Why do you care at this point?

I just explained it. I believe black women are one of the leading causes of the dysfunction in Black America and choosing to create kids with RAY RAY and POOKIE is one of the main drivers of it.

It's not stopping me from getting pvssy. AT ALL.

I'm just a "different dude" I guess. I look at the big picture and see the shyt results from these chicks choices and it pisses me off. It makes me GO OFF on them and NOT want to date nor fvck them.

Now we get to the root of the issue. Are you in therapy? You should hire a shrink for this. This anger isn't productive man.

It's not productive. It's not at all. But the anger is there and it's got to be there for a reason.