Why you shouldn't pity the obese.

[Belmar2009]

Why should you pity a group of people who don't care about themselves in the first place.

Think about it; if they cared about their weight and their physical appearance in the first place; they wouldn't be obese.

I know it is harder for some people to lose weight due to genetics, but all that means is that they might have to work 5X than the first person next to you.

 

[horaholic]

Unless you have been obese at one point, and worked your ass off to lose weight, you have no place making statements like that. Its really easy for us skinny people to say that, but we've never walked in their shoes. Im sure there are a myriad of ways you and I should be working much harder to improve ourselves by, that are just as important, but we arent ridiculed or even shunned by society because of it.

I dont pity the obese, but I try not to consider them inferior, or sub-human. If they were fat as a child, they will always have self esteem problems, and feel hopeless. That can either give someone motivation to change, or make them feel like there's no hope at all. They sometimes have to live in self delusion just to be able to accept themselves, and its damn hard to change with mental conditions working against you. Granted, if they dont even try to lose wieght, they dont deserve any sympathy, but I know this giant chick who is allergic to a hundred kinds of foods, so all she eats is vegan organics, and she works out three times a week, but she's still a whale. I pity her, because she really tries.

Fat people are arguably the single most discriminated against group outside of homo's, and its a downward spiral for them. If you dont love yourself, you dont have much reason to change, and its hard to love yourself, when the whole world despises your appearance. Keep that in mind.

Im thankful that the ways Im lazy in dont have the consequenses that being too fat does. We dont need to be attracted to them or anything, but who are we to judge people that do us no wrong except being hard on the eyes?

 

[Belmar2009]

Unless you have been obese at one point, and worked your ass off to lose weight, you have no place making statements like that. Its really easy for us skinny people to say that, but we've never walked in their shoes. Im sure there are a myriad of ways you and I should be working much harder to improve ourselves by, that are just as important, but we arent ridiculed or even shunned by society because of it.

I dont pity the obese, but I try not to consider them inferior, or sub-human. If they were fat as a child, they will always have self esteem problems, and feel hopeless. That can either give someone motivation to change, or make them feel like there's no hope at all. They sometimes have to live in self delusion just to be able to accept themselves, and its damn hard to change with mental conditions working against you. Granted, if they dont even try to lose wieght, they dont deserve any sympathy, but I know this giant chick who is allergic to a hundred kinds of foods, so all she eats is vegan organics, and she works out three times a week, but she's still a whale. I pity her, because she really tries.

Fat people are arguably the single most discriminated against group outside of homo's, and its a downward spiral for them. If you dont love yourself, you dont have much reason to change, and its hard to love yourself, when the whole world despises your appearance. Keep that in mind.

Im thankful that the ways Im lazy in dont have the consequenses that being too fat does. We dont need to be attracted to them or anything, but who are we to judge people that do us no wrong except being hard on the eyes?

You are right, I have never been/will be in their shoes because I CHOOSE NOT TO BE. I take the stairs instead of the elevator, I work out 5X a week....I CHOOSE to keep my calorie count at around 2,000 calories instead of 4,000+. Obese people in general, DO NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Obese people will think of plenty of exuses of why they can't lose weight.

1.) It is in my genes, why even bother

2.) I don't have time

3.) I don't like to exercise (I love this one!)

4.) I am addicted to food......


I crack up because I see obese co-workers constantly walking around with soft drinks and refusing to take the stairs up on friggin flight and always taking the elevator.


As for the giant chick that you know; why doesn't she consider weight loss surgery?

 

[Groovy]

I think it's easier to loose weight then it is to gain weight... If I had to choose to be fat or skinny I'd choose fat in a second!!

 

[horaholic]

I crack up because I see obese co-workers constantly walking around with soft drinks and refusing to take the stairs up on friggin flight and always taking the elevator.

Good point there!

As for the giant chick that you know; why doesn't she consider weight loss surgery?

Dont know, never asked. Its probably really expensive for one thing. She also has a self delusion that she isnt as fat as she is. She has a cute Marylin Monroe face, and actually has done some pin-up modelling, and guys at the bar call her beautiful (cuz she wears all black, so her body blends into the background, making her appear thinner) One day asked me if I thought she should get a boob job. she said she is a c-cup. I said, in the politest way possible that I dont think its her boobs that need to be bigger.. She stopped me, and said "Im comfortable with myself and my body." I said "well, you're boobs are big enough, trust me." Which, now that you mention it, is probably a comparable price to weight loss surgery.

 

[Teflon_Mcgee]

You are right, I have never been/will be in their shoes because I CHOOSE NOT TO BE. I take the stairs instead of the elevator, I work out 5X a week....I CHOOSE to keep my calorie count at around 2,000 calories instead of 4,000+. Obese people in general, DO NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Obese people will think of plenty of exuses of why they can't lose weight.

1.) It is in my genes, why even bother

2.) I don't have time

3.) I don't like to exercise (I love this one!)

4.) I am addicted to food......


I crack up because I see obese co-workers constantly walking around with soft drinks and refusing to take the stairs up on friggin flight and always taking the elevator.


As for the giant chick that you know; why doesn't she consider weight loss surgery?

It's not that easy, Belmar.

I was obese as a child. I was obese because my family bonded with food.

At 16 I started working out regularly and eating right.

After adopting a clean lifestyle for the past 10 years I still struggle.

I'm in good shape (I'll bet better than you and 95% of the people on this forum.)

But I have to watch my weight like a hawk.

I can't eat ANYTHING bad. I can't take a break from working out. If i do I can easily gain 5 pounds a week just being NORMAL (i.e. eating a normal diet and getting a normal amount of exercise.)


On top of that I am addicted to food. Only because I'm disciplined I can control my addiction. But it sucks because it's always a struggle. It's like crack cocain. It's alwasy on my mind and I constantly look forward to the one night per month I get to eat out.


The amount if effort I have to put in is probably 10 times what you have to put in. If I'm not hitting the gym in that day than I seriously can't eat more than 1500-1600 calories. And I'm 6'3". Do you know how much it sucks for a 6'3" guy with a food addiction to eat less than 2000 calories a day?


I wish I could just be normal. I know if I ever get disabled or can't work out I will become FAT again. I know this because I can't control my weight through diet alone.


So just keep in mind that doing small stuff like taking the stairs instead of the elevator or eating 2000 calories a day is the same as doing almost nothing for some people while it's more than enough for others.



That being said, I am generally disgusted by most fat people just because they really don't care.

 

[Desert Fox]

I agree with the OP. I used to be a "chubby" kid in grade school and early high school. Then I wanted to get chicks and I noticed all the hot girls were with fit guys.

Guess what, I busted my ass for 9 months and lost about 40 pounds, became lean. Got chicks. Never gone back since. Only reason I was fat before was because I was a lazy slob and didn't CARE About my appearance and had no willpower to exercise or do **** to take care of my health. That's all there is to it. Now I am building up muscle mass and it is 100x harder than losing weight. Gains come so slowly. But you gotta keep at it, and that's what all at people lack. The drive to succeed.

 

[Hockey Playa]

Very interesting topic. I have actually discussed this with my friends many times. My stance is that i have little compassion for fat people, especially if it is a result of their lifestyle. I cannot personally relate, never being obese, but it pisses me off because 90% IT IS A CHOICE. I dont care what your genetics are, eat healthy, and exercise, and you will always see improvement. What is the short guy supposed to do? he can stretch and exercise all day, but he has no choice in his height. What is the balding guy supposed to do? He can eat healthy exercise use shampoos, but no matter what it will get worse. Being fat is always a choice, you always have the potential to change, given your own will power, and not some uncontrollable factor. That being said, some people are fine with being obese, and are comfortable with themselves, but they will experience health problems.

 

[It's-Me]

You are right, I have never been/will be in their shoes because I CHOOSE NOT TO BE. I take the stairs instead of the elevator, I work out 5X a week....I CHOOSE to keep my calorie count at around 2,000 calories instead of 4,000+. Obese people in general, DO NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Obese people will think of plenty of exuses of why they can't lose weight.

1.) It is in my genes, why even bother

2.) I don't have time

3.) I don't like to exercise (I love this one!)

4.) I am addicted to food......


I crack up because I see obese co-workers constantly walking around with soft drinks and refusing to take the stairs up on friggin flight and always taking the elevator.


As for the giant chick that you know; why doesn't she consider weight loss surgery?

Yes most people are fat and they can do something about it. However, there's so people who have diseases and they can't help it.

Some people truly don't have time to work out. Image being a single mother with 3 kids working to support your kids. She probably you won't have time to work out. Or maybe she doesn't have enough money to eat healthy... You have no right to judge people because your not in their shoes. Stop rationalizing things.

And your metabolism slows down as you get older so it's much easier to put on weight. My father was extremely skinny and now he's a bit overweight, 120 pounds when he got married and now 180 pounds.

Weight loss surgery isn't healthy and can be pretty expensive.

 

[teagan]

This thread is laughable...cause people have the option just to say yes or no to obesity...It's not that simple at all.

It's-Me is absolutely right...some people have health problems or have other priorities. You have never experienced what many obese people have experienced so stop trying to act you know better than them because you don't.

Stop trying to be so self-righteous...it will get you nowhere.

 

[Quiksilver]

Heh, there's a lot of ignorance flying around in this thread...

Being obese/overweight is a choice, but it's not as easy as most think. You have to factor in the nature of 90% of the foods we eat these days, and the differences in hormones/thyroid function/metabolisms.

Two people could eat the same diet, one would stay skinny and the other would get fat.

I was overweight as a kid, not obese, just kind of pudgy. Was it my fault? Well.... was it? I was eating the same **** (50% healthy/50% junk) that all my friends were eating. Most of them were skinny. I couldn't figure out how we all ate the same stuff, played the same sports and activities, and i got pudgy while they stayed skinny. Now thankfully I know the truth of it all.

Once you're fat as a kid, it's an extremely hard pattern to break as you get older. It's almost impossible, yes, almost impossible to change a way of thinking and a way of living that you've had since before you
can remember. Why? Your body loves a homeostatic environment. It HATES change. From an evolutionary standpoint, whatever kept you alive for the first 20-30 years of your life is what you should be doing for the last 50.

It's not like a drug, where you deviate from your "norm" and become unhealthy for a time, then drop it and go into rehab. You merely deviated from your healthy "norm".

What about an obese guy who has been living a certain lifestyle from birth?(hey it might even be the exact same lifestyle as his skinny friend). His body and mind will resist change, despite that little voice in his head telling him he doesn't want to be this way.

Yes, he DOES have a choice but it's a battle every step of the way and the choice is MUCH harder than people think. It's not a 'left or right' choice where you pick a different direction and you're suddenly better and healthy.

Rather, it's a 'keep walking, or climb this rope to the ceiling' choice. One choice is comfortable and aligns with his evolutionary brain which doesn't want change. The other choice 'climb the rope to the ceiling' is much harder. Maybe it can't even be done for some people, generally those who've been emotionally tormented as a kid and have a shattered spirit as a result.

There's a real...real... battle going on inside some people's minds. Where those two voices named SHOULD and WANT fight for control. "I SHOULD be eating clean, I SHOULD not eat more right now, I SHOULD go out and do 45 minutes of exercise." and its counterpart: "I WANT to eat this donut, I WANT to eat more, I WANT to stay inside and watch The View."

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Anyways I'll end it there as I don't know how to finish or care to. I just want some of you to know that obesity is a choice, but it's a much harder choice than they're given credit for.

p.s. to my eyes, skinny people are just as disgusting and nauseating as obese people.

 

[Da Realist]

Some people hate skinny folks, some hate fat folks, but everyone hates condescending folks. Think about it.

 

[synergy1]

Serbia must have found the key to destroy the fat epidemic once and for all. Amazing! They aren't even a member of the EU yet!

...this just in, Ethiopia also has isolated and destroyed the fat gene. Not a single person there will ever be fat.


Two people could eat the same diet, one would stay skinny and the other would get fat.

Dumb analogy, maybe it is the skinny person who is irregular. Why always assume the fat person is normal in this instance? Simple math folks, crap in= crap out. Diet coke and white bread with the occasional diet and no exercise is not a solution to being fat. Neither is blaming your thyroid gland. Not all thyroid problems occur in the united states of america.

 

[KontrollerX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15nBPhAy_TM

There are people like personal trainer Chris Powell in this world...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C72HuIx0BA

Then there are people like Belmar2009 also in this world.

Just my opinion but I think this world could use a whole hell of a lot more Chris Powell's than Belmar2009's.

Guys like Belmar drone on and on about how they are successful in shape, got the money, got the b!tches what have you but obviously they are not truly fulfilled in their life or else they wouldn't have the infantile need to ridicule, mock or shame others for not being the same as them.

Guys like Belmar try and sell their bullsh!t as though they are simply trying to rail against what they perceive to be a social ill but that is simply window dressing for what Belmar and his ilk are really doing which is mocking others to get a laugh, get some comraderie as well feel the momentary adrenaline rush all of their assh0lish highschool level behavior nets them.

I'm sure Belmar will come back at me by listing all of his successes and accusing me of being the very kind of person he is attacking with this waste of bandwidth of a topic but that too will be window dressing and an excuse to take everyone's attention away from the real problem namely Belmar's lack of fulfillment with his own life.

Belmar you don't have to go through life being a prick to get other people to notice you.

If you want to be loved the best way you can receive that is to give it to others as Chris Powell did to David Smith and it was that love that changed David's life and came back to Chris 10 fold with a strong friendship he was rewarded by for his efforts at helping David.

Belmar you can list all of your accomplishments, your healthy body, your money and all of this to try and prove to me you are successful and happy with your life but that means nothing at all to me as this topic is proof positive to me and everyone here that you are not happy with yourself at all.

Bullies never are.

Also if financial success, money, fame and a body to die for could guarantee fulfillment Chris Benoit wouldn't of killed himself and his entire family and Deion Sanders wouldn't of attempted suicide early in his life either.

So enough of this jacking yourself off at other's expense to feel better about your life.

Talk to us Belmar.

Help us understand what the real problem in your life is and perhaps we can offer you a solution or a new path to take.

Bullying people or simply mocking them to get a rah rah rah backslapping tard fest of an adrenaline rush with fellow ignorant humans once again will never bring you lasting fulfillment, you'll always eventually become empty inside again and have to go back to the same self defeating well which leaves you feeling ever more alone even if in your life you are surrounded by what anyone else would consider an incredible social group and even if outwardly you appear to be a success.

Whether a person's bullying takes the form of hating fat people, gay people, those of a different race, someone that looks funny, etc all of that is counterproductive and will not score you lasting love or a sense of greater belonging to your community.

And thats what this topic and all others like it is really about.

Guys like you drone on and on about fat people, gays or minorities stealing your jobs, you talk about fat people's lack of action to change their lives yet none of you hypocrites ever takes action yourself about these "problems" that are bothering you by becoming a trainer like Chris Powell or a counselor to help a fat person get out of depression or simply acquire a new pattern of thinking that will be inducive to weight loss success.

Guys like you just love to sit around and b!tch about "social ills" because you don't really care about fixing anything.

The ability to b!tch is what you are after, the backslapping comraderie of "haha I agree" is what you are after and its related adrenaline rush.

You want to feel angry and rage at something because you want to feel alive and like you are a part of your surrounding community and world.

Your low self esteem also makes you want to put others down so you can finally escape your own depression for a few moments and feel like top dog.

Well the healing starts now Belmar if you let it.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

You don't like fat people?

Go become a personal trainer like Chris Powell then or you're just blowing smoke and mocking others as a distraction from your own lack of fulfillment in life.