Why would a woman start a relationship with a man she knows is a player?

[AttackFormation]

1) Being seen as popular with women makes him more attractive in itself
2) He has the attractive traits to be able to be a player in the first place
3) She wants to "win" over the other women and feel she is more special/"tame" him/figure him out, and as one woman told me herself, she loves a challenge
4) The suspense of the player is exciting. Shes excited by the uncertainty, unpredictability and uncontrolability

So unlike what you assume, the "player" name tag makes him MORE attractive, not less. Read that again. You dont understand that or dont want to accept it. Player = attractive, not unattractive.

 

[LuksSkywalker]

Because women always think they can change them and because if they know you have a lot of other women it means there is obviously something to really like about you. Women are competitive and they don't want to miss out on something good someone else has.

It's like in sports. Best players are always wanted by couple of (top) teams.

 

[LuksSkywalker]

A lot of chicks are stupid. They go through a phase where they just go for attraction. After they get played a few times, that’s when they’ll have stricter standards when it comes to sex. And that’s the one you run into on OLD. They’ve already been used up by 69 guys and now you have to pay the price for the all the guys who played them. You have to wait 3 months for sex with a woman who made a lifetime of mistakes. LOL.

Waiting for sex is high school stuff.
1,2 dates -> fight or flight

There are plenty of women who weren't (yet) used by tons of guys

 

[oldmanofthesea]

How does a man "play" a woman?

 

[LuksSkywalker]

How does a man "play" a woman?

If he just uses her for sex, no emotional attachment?

The term itself is stupid. Unless you raped a woman, both parties agreed on having sex.
Nobody mentions emotional attachment that sex brings (female to male usually) before the intercourse. It's only "expected" by our culturosociological standards, which are btw female biased.

 

[oldmanofthesea]

The term itself is stupid. Unless you raped a woman, both parties agreed on having sex.
Nobody mentions emotional attachment that sex brings (female to male usually) before the intercourse. It's only "expected" by our culturosociological standards, which are btw female biased.

There you go.

I would even say that emotional attachment is NOT expected by our cultural standards really. Or rather, it is, but it ONLY applies to men and not women. For example, a woman can date a guy, have the guy treat her well and invest in her emotionally, but she decides he isn't right for her so she moves on to a different guy she feels is higher-value. There is nothing culturally wrong with that. If anything, it increases her value, as a hot commodity who can afford to be highly selective. A man, on the other hand, who does the EXACT SAME THING is considered a "player," and is criticized. If women wanted emotional connection so bad, why would they leave a guy who provides it to them? It's a made-up issue.

TL;DR: There is no such thing as a player. There is only men who are successful with women and can thus afford to be selective in who they enter a relationship with, and men who are not successful with women. "Player" is simply an insult from a butt-hurt woman that the guy she wanted decided he didn't want her for a relationship, and there is no guarantee that the woman would have chosen to stick with that same guy long-term anyway.

 

[BeExcellent]

A good debate in this thread. Will comment later. I define a player as a man who seeks the sexual conquest of new women; he seeks novelty above all else.

Obviously he is successful with women and has learned how to be charming & sexually charged.

Google Paul Zanka from NYC and listen to his You Tubes. He was in it for the love of the conquest. Until he wasn’t.

More later.

 

[zekko]

However, can someone explain to me why a woman would enter into a relationship with a man that she knows is a player who uses women?

I don't think that's her original intent, but she ends up catching feelings. It can happen to girls too, especially if they've had sex.

It's usually one of two possible scenarios:
1) She knows he's a player and gets with him short term, maybe not even thinking ahead at all, and ends up catching feelings for him. Or:
2) She is charmed by the guy, doesn't realize he's a player right off (a lot of guys just tell girls what they want to hear), and catches feelings for him. By the time she realizes he's a cad, it's too late, she's emotionally involved.

 

[sangheilios]

Responding to just about everyone here, too many to address individually.

This man is a player and has been in relationships where he actively cheated during the course of that relationship, yet this woman that is his current gf stays with him despite knowing all of this. Like myself and others have broken down, it's as if these women create this fantasy in their heads about having landed such a good guy and when the cards on the table are shown for what they truly are it's already too late and she can't escape this delusional position she has put herself into.

I don't think the issue has to do with the players/**** boy men but more so lies entirely with women. From the men I met that were players, it seems to be a combination of a few traits and characteristics. The following are based on observations of men I've met or know of, some of whom pretty well.

Basic traits
1. They are generally at least somewhat attractive, though I've seen some that were not attractive at all.
2. Their overall personality is extroverted/life of party type.
3. One particular part of their personalities I compare to being a good salesmen, where they seem to be able to read people pretty well and know how to use it to their advantage.

Taking all of these traits together and combine that with a desire to just land a bunch of women for flings and sexual use it makes total sense. However, I honestly feel that these men have simply figured out how to play their cards to get what they want, which is purely just sex.

One player I know very well, so a close friend, is not at all honest with other people about his nature but with me he has been 100% open about it. He's even said that when you reel these women in with the promise of having this fantasy life you can treat them like **** and they eat it up and you have all of the power.

As far as I'm concerned, I feel that the women are more to blame here instead of the men. The women aren't victims of men, they are simply victims of their own emotionally driven brains that can't break down basic things like this.

 

[JayAce]

A lot of chicks are stupid.

A lot of great points have been made throughout this thread. About social dynamics, interest levels, etc. But this is the short answer here.

 

[Lynx nkaf]

Responding to just about everyone here, too many to address individually.

This man is a player and has been in relationships where he actively cheated during the course of that relationship, yet this woman that is his current gf stays with him despite knowing all of this. Like myself and others have broken down, it's as if these women create this fantasy in their heads about having landed such a good guy and when the cards on the table are shown for what they truly are it's already too late and she can't escape this delusional position she has put herself into.

I don't think the issue has to do with the players/**** boy men but more so lies entirely with women. From the men I met that were players, it seems to be a combination of a few traits and characteristics. The following are based on observations of men I've met or know of, some of whom pretty well.

Basic traits
1. They are generally at least somewhat attractive, though I've seen some that were not attractive at all.
2. Their overall personality is extroverted/life of party type.
3. One particular part of their personalities I compare to being a good salesmen, where they seem to be able to read people pretty well and know how to use it to their advantage.

Taking all of these traits together and combine that with a desire to just land a bunch of women for flings and sexual use it makes total sense. However, I honestly feel that these men have simply figured out how to play their cards to get what they want, which is purely just sex.

One player I know very well, so a close friend, is not at all honest with other people about his nature but with me he has been 100% open about it. He's even said that when you reel these women in with the promise of having this fantasy life you can treat them like **** and they eat it up and you have all of the power.

As far as I'm concerned, I feel that the women are more to blame here instead of the men. The women aren't victims of men, they are simply victims of their own emotionally driven brains that can't break down basic things like this.

these women have to learn how to do this....learn salesmanship....learn emotional detachment. Essentially, learn how to be players as described here.

 

[sangheilios]

They feel attraction first, and then backwards rationalize.

The whole process of seduction is simple.

1) A woman feels a dominant presence. It could be your looks/height/social status that sets her off. Or even your c0cky attitude. This makes women feel uncomfortable. They are reactive machines who feel "attraction pulls" all day from various men. So they need a way to test and categorize men....so that they can MOVE ON with their lives or take the attraction pull to its logical conclusion - which is sex.

2) She gives him an ioi.
3) He doesn't respond
4) She chalks it up to either he's not interested or he's not man enough. Categorization complete. She has closure and is able to move on.

2A) In a parallel universe, he decides to approach.
3A) She feels an attraction spike. This is purely out of reflex. He made a bold move and showed her he could vibe off her cues.
4A) She backwards rationalizes "He must be an attractive guy with experience."
5A) She gives him a window to escalate
6A) He escalates
7A) She experiences reflex compliance. She complies with everything he does out of pure reflex. Remember, she is a reactive machine.
8A) He has game and knows to bounce it to sex location with plausible deniability (netflix and chill)
9A) She experiences anti-slvt defense and throws at him token resistance
10A) He tells her what she wants to hear
11A) Foreplay ensues
12) She gets heated enough to have sex with him


This is what it looks like for MOST young and dumb chicks.

When they get older, they will vet for credibility. Like career, financial stability, trust, loyalty, etc. And they will also vet for connection.

Every chick goes through a young and dumb phase where all that matters is attraction.

Dominance is always number 1. Followed by sexual tension. Followed by intrigue. Followed by credibility. Followed by connection.

Credibility and connection are last. Women mature into requiring those qualities. But young chicks only go for dominance, sexual tension. and intrigue.

Haha, this is a really good break down of how a dynamic between a man and woman would go down.

The more of stuff like this I read and things I observe in the real world the more I dislike women and see them as idiots. I can pick up on this nonsense within a few minutes of meeting men and yet they can't even pick up on it despite spending hours upon hours with them lol.

I think what makes it worse is when they know what the guy is all about and in some cases I've seen women do this with men who would legitimately be described as losers.

This is why I personally could never be a player, I just wouldn't be able to fake interest with someone I see as beneath me. I come off as cold and uncaring and slightly mean, but how could you not be knowing all of this haha.

 

[zekko]

So women backwards rationalize he must be different from the non attractive guys who tell her what she wants to hear to get into her pants.

In a sense, women play themselves.

Reminds me, I forgot:
3) She thinks she can fix him, she thinks she is the cure to his bad boy ways. And
4) She is damaged, low self esteem, she thinks she deserves to be abused and/or cheated on.

 

[sangheilios]

In my experience, every normal woman has a healthy anti-slvt defense. It takes A LOT of desensitization (c0ck carusel) for a woman to overcome it. So if you meet a woman with ZERO token resistance, you might want to wrap it up, lol.

And no guy can trick a woman's anti-slvt defense either. It is GAME PROOF. He can only tell her what she already is trying to delude herself into believing, like for example, thinking she can change him. Or she has low self esteem and accepts his game because it's a reflection of how she feels about herself anyway.

But at the end of the day, the guy isn't slick at all. He's only doing the bare minimum of telling her what she already wants to hear.

Women are master manipulators, yet they want to play victim when they get pump and dumped. Lol.

Going through this read and now reflecting upon some observations and experiences I've had in the past everything makes sense now.

1. Women go through their young and dumb phase and get pumped and dumped, fall for bad men, etc.
2. Women eventually get hurt but due to their nature were unable to figure out what happened.
Response to this goes accordingly.
3. In order to avoid being used women intentionally go for "beta" men who are clearly safe and a sure thing, as this puts her in a position of power.

 

[Lynx nkaf]

You can tell the girly convos because the girls get triggered to come talk. Lol lets have a talk fellas. Them dam playas and when will she be done with them so we can have a shot?

And actually was just going to say the root cause of the question to begin is comparing yourself to other men.
That's a chic trait.
Not only does it kill your frame and game it is self defeating out of the box. You almost cant enjoy who you are unless you minimize this or kill it all together.

on fire-good giggle, I like these posts

 

[evan12]

However, can someone explain to me why a woman would enter into a relationship with a man that she knows is a player who uses women?

Because he is sexy, women love sexy men just like men love sexy women