I think any straight male who is guilty of past AFC behavior is scared of the ending up in the friend zone again.
But I'm beginning to doubt the existence of the "friend" zone itself. There is definitely a "no-****" zone, but I think the term "friend" is misleading. The girls who gave me LJBFs speeches did not do it because of my failure to make a move... I eventually made a move and most of them were receptive to it. Some of these girls I made no real physical contact with and sometimes I never even verbally expressed interest in them. What actually triggered the LJBFs is being slightly timid while making a move and me being generally socially inept. Basically things like too much supplicating, hesitation, etc. Traits that are not attractive in any social situation led me to the friend zone, and nothing else. Sort of like, if your behavior would bother another dude, it's going to make a woman put you in the no-sex-zone.
What I am getting at, is that if as a man, you are confident, indifferent (intentionally or otherwise) and physically attractive, I think women will actually put up with a ton of crap without friend zoning you (because they have zero reasons to do so). I remember this one girl I once went out with, we flirted a little bit, and she came over to my house three times before I ever made any kind of move. And two of my best friends, who have both had several long-term relationships do not believe in any friend zone whatsoever. They both advocate being yourself (confidently) and talking to a girl and escalating very naturally.
I suppose it depends on the type of girl she is, I don't do clubs so the women I meet are in places like bookstores/classes/libraries (counter-culture types), but I think if you present yourself as a confident and sexy man, a woman will almost never friend zone you because it's very likely she could be really into you and investing a lot of mental energy into why you're acting the way you do. Obviously you need to actually be awesome for this to work, you need to be extremely talented or ripped or whatever floats your boat. But if you believe you're awesome, you are awesome, and why would a woman friend zone an awesome guy? I feel like if you are sexually attracted to a woman, she'll know it deep down. You do need to flirt, but you don't need to try too hard to do it.
In short, I think the friend zone is where they put you based on unattractive behavior/consistent beta behavior or when she knows you've put her on a pedestal, and nothing more. I have lost a couple girls recently because I should have escalated things the day I met them and I didn't, but in all honesty those girls were sexy but not much else.
What do you guys think?
But I'm beginning to doubt the existence of the "friend" zone itself. There is definitely a "no-****" zone, but I think the term "friend" is misleading. The girls who gave me LJBFs speeches did not do it because of my failure to make a move... I eventually made a move and most of them were receptive to it. Some of these girls I made no real physical contact with and sometimes I never even verbally expressed interest in them. What actually triggered the LJBFs is being slightly timid while making a move and me being generally socially inept. Basically things like too much supplicating, hesitation, etc. Traits that are not attractive in any social situation led me to the friend zone, and nothing else. Sort of like, if your behavior would bother another dude, it's going to make a woman put you in the no-sex-zone.
What I am getting at, is that if as a man, you are confident, indifferent (intentionally or otherwise) and physically attractive, I think women will actually put up with a ton of crap without friend zoning you (because they have zero reasons to do so). I remember this one girl I once went out with, we flirted a little bit, and she came over to my house three times before I ever made any kind of move. And two of my best friends, who have both had several long-term relationships do not believe in any friend zone whatsoever. They both advocate being yourself (confidently) and talking to a girl and escalating very naturally.
I suppose it depends on the type of girl she is, I don't do clubs so the women I meet are in places like bookstores/classes/libraries (counter-culture types), but I think if you present yourself as a confident and sexy man, a woman will almost never friend zone you because it's very likely she could be really into you and investing a lot of mental energy into why you're acting the way you do. Obviously you need to actually be awesome for this to work, you need to be extremely talented or ripped or whatever floats your boat. But if you believe you're awesome, you are awesome, and why would a woman friend zone an awesome guy? I feel like if you are sexually attracted to a woman, she'll know it deep down. You do need to flirt, but you don't need to try too hard to do it.
In short, I think the friend zone is where they put you based on unattractive behavior/consistent beta behavior or when she knows you've put her on a pedestal, and nothing more. I have lost a couple girls recently because I should have escalated things the day I met them and I didn't, but in all honesty those girls were sexy but not much else.
What do you guys think?
