Why Women Don't Respect Male Commitment

[Desdinova]

The pedestal isn't because the person was all that "special". The pedestal is because the person was never fully "theirs". The person remained a challenge during the entire relationship and ultimately escaped their grasp.

I'd have to disagree with that one. The pedestal isn't because you never really have her. The pedestal can cause them to become less attracted.

When I was an AFC, I pedestalized my fiancee. I didn't pedestalize her because I didn't have her. I honestly wanted to be a truly great husband and keep her happy, so I spoiled the living 5hit out of her, showered her with compliments, etc etc. At no point did I think that she wasn't truly mine.

My current GF treats me extremely well and does lots for me. I know damn well that she's placed me on a pedestal, and I'm 100% okay with that. I'm not less attracted to her because of it. She's adding pleasure to my life, so I want to keep her around.

The pedestal has to exist somewhere in order for attraction to work in the relationship. However, it's better if the man is the one who's on the pedestal. He's the one who can dictate what she should and shouldn't be doing and she will listen. Women are too afraid to hurt the man's feelings, so they cannot tell the man to quit doing thing to spoil them.

 

[Tenacity]

@Poon King - after reading these posts it's clear your arguing with a young man in his early 20s @Tenacity who thinks he knows it all.

Not sure how it's clear that I'm in my early 20's, when my profile clearly says I'm 33.

He's yet to grow up and figure out what women are and what they're after seeing as he is still chasing his Disney princess (tag team partner) - LOL.

Right, only because I've been one of the main ones on this forum over the previous 2 years talking about how the majority of women in this market are low quality? As well as being one of the main ones on here talking about how the majority of men in terms of being loyal buddies today, are low quality?

And a Disney Princess and a Tag Team Partner are two different things. One is a cartoon, the other I see EVERY SINGLE DAY with other relationships I monitor.

Where I'm from @Tenacity if you are as great as you've made out

I'm not great remember? I'm a punk a.ss 20 year old kid with no experience. How can I be a punk a.ss 20 year old with no experience on one hand, and a guy with multiple degrees on the other? I mean if you are going to talk shyt about me could you at least be consistent with it lol?

Besides unintentionally putting you down bro, trust me and ask any older red pill man there's no such thing as a Disney princess or anything similar.

I never said shyt about a Disney Princess, that's what YOU said. The Tag Team Partner and the Disney Princess are no where near the same. And I do in fact take advice from other guys here, but it's always with a grain of salt.....why? Because I honestly have NO CLUE with the majority of you guys who the hell is giving me the advice. You are hidden, anonymous, and for all I know most of you could be women.

 

[Poon King]

I'd have to disagree with that one. The pedestal isn't because you never really have her. The pedestal can cause them to become less attracted.

When I was an AFC, I pedestalized my fiancee. I didn't pedestalize her because I didn't have her. I honestly wanted to be a truly great husband and keep her happy, so I spoiled the living 5hit out of her, showered her with compliments, etc etc. At no point did I think that she wasn't truly mine.

My current GF treats me extremely well and does lots for me. I know damn well that she's placed me on a pedestal, and I'm 100% okay with that. I'm not less attracted to her because of it. She's adding pleasure to my life, so I want to keep her around.

The pedestal has to exist somewhere in order for attraction to work in the relationship. However, it's better if the man is the one who's on the pedestal. He's the one who can dictate what she should and shouldn't be doing and she will listen. Women are too afraid to hurt the man's feelings, so they cannot tell the man to quit doing thing to spoil them.

I don't think we have the same definition of "pedestal".

Why did you want to spoil the sh!t out of your fiancee? Even more important.. why do you believe her happiness had anything to do with you? Just like women are not the key to male happiness.. "being a good husband" is not the key to female happiness.

I think in reality.. keeping her happy in general was not your goal. Your goal was to keep her happy with YOU. The reason you wanted to keep her happy with YOU is because deep down you feared she might stray or lose interest if you didn't. The reason you had such a fear is because you knew you didn't truly "have her". You know how I know this? Because you're no longer with her. We don't WORK for what we already have.

Just because a woman is physically by your side.. that doesn't mean you truly "have her".

 

[Poon King]

Not at all. I'm just responding to the dogmatic nature of the thread title. All I'm saying is that there is a time and place for everything [a very pragmatic principle]. A time to game, and then, should you so choose it, a time for commitment. Why not be open to all possible experiences?

Stop talking trash. Are you "open to the experience" of getting butt f*cked by a man?

Me neither. There is nothing "dogmatic" about this thread or anything I post.

As for spending time on a 'gaming site', I'm ambivalent about that as I am with most things in life. This site has certainly helped me with meeting women, but I integrate its insights into my own view of life.

Nothing you have posted in this thread is helpful to men.

 

[Desdinova]

I think in reality.. keeping her happy in general was not your goal. Your goal was to keep her happy with YOU. The reason you wanted to keep her happy with YOU is because deep down you feared she might stray or lose interest if you didn't. The reason you had such a fear is because you knew you didn't truly "have her".

I wasn't afraid of that because I had put a ring on her finger. I wanted to make sure she had the best life she'd ever have and the best husband any woman could ever ask for. I was very attracted to her and I genuinely loved that woman. I firmly believed that putting a ring on her finger would secure her as mine.

The only time I started becoming afraid that I would lose her was when she started changing. She changed the music she listened to, she changed the friends she kept, and she quit telling me she loved me. At that point, I started doing stupid, desperate things to try to keep her. Only when I felt the relationship was threatened, that's when I feared "not having her". Everything before that was solely to make her life awesome which I thought would also make MY life awesome. In my mind, it did. I didn't see how I had spoiled her and turned her into a bratty child. I didn't care because I thought I was doing a good job making her happy. I was in love, and was doing everything I had learned to do (from society and media) to keep that love strong. I genuinely thought that I was doing a great job.

So no, I didn't do it out of fear. I did it out of love. I did it because I wrongly learned that this is how you make a woman happy and devoted.

 

[Poon King]

I wasn't afraid of that because I had put a ring on her finger. I wanted to make sure she had the best life she'd ever have and the best husband any woman could ever ask for. I was very attracted to her and I genuinely loved that woman. I firmly believed that putting a ring on her finger would secure her as mine.

The only time I started becoming afraid that I would lose her was when she started changing. She changed the music she listened to, she changed the friends she kept, and she quit telling me she loved me. At that point, I started doing stupid, desperate things to try to keep her. Only when I felt the relationship was threatened, that's when I feared "not having her". Everything before that was solely to make her life awesome which I thought would also make MY life awesome. In my mind, it did. I didn't see how I had spoiled her and turned her into a bratty child. I didn't care because I thought I was doing a good job making her happy. I was in love, and was doing everything I had learned to do (from society and media) to keep that love strong. I genuinely thought that I was doing a great job.

So no, I didn't do it out of fear. I did it out of love. I did it because I wrongly learned that this is how you make a woman happy and devoted.

This crap happens to men every day if not every hour.

This is why I post.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Stop talking trash. Are you "open to the experience" of getting butt f*cked by a man?

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This is just silly. Obviously what was meant was being open to all possible desirable experiences.

 

[Trump]

I'm pissed off because I set goals and I fight with every FIBER in me to achieve them.

- I hit my college goals with the 4 degrees completion. I am still a CPA Candidate, I haven't sat for the exam because I don't need it but I could take 6 months off, prep for the CPA Exam, and add a CPA License to my resume as well.

- I hit my fitness goals. It happened July of 2015, I finally was able to see my 6 pack clearly in the mirror, take shirtless pics, and have women say how sexy I was. Since I was a kid, I ALWAYS dreamed of that.

- I have hit all of my financial goals every quarter since 2009. This year is on track to be my biggest financial earning year thus far.

- I hit my apartment and car goals, with plans to buy a house here shortly.

I have NOT hit my women related goals. My goals are not to spin plates, my goal is to find a chick that can be my Tag Team Partner and together........we kick a.ss in life, enjoy life, fvck bytches together (because she's bisexual), etc.

Bro life goals and woman goals are not really related. Just because you did a,b,c,d, very well doesn't mean 'e' may, should, or will come to you.

You shouldnt really have women 'goals' either, other than to sleep with them. To 'create' something together, to be a tag team, to share and enjoy life with another, to have kids together, to raise a family together, that's her business. She has to come to you and say that to you. You make it your business, she will leverage as much as possible and try to hurt you in the process. You want to rely on woman for something? You want to depend on her? You want to lean on her? Game over. You can only rely on yourself, she comes along for the ride.

I haven't found that chick and it's pissing me off. What does she look like? She's at least a HB 6, with no kids, good finances, education, no weight issues, and with a good personality/attitude. I can't find this chick. Every chick I find is missing some of these criterion, which puts me in a position of having to SPIN PLATES with chicks I honestly....don't even want.

Bro these criteria you are listing for the woman you want to fall in love with an raise a family sounds like you are shopping for a condo. 'I want south facing, high floor, nice view, no noise, and a good price.'

No girl you want to spend the rest of your life with is going to have every criteria you want. Every girl has baggage since they were 14 and you either have to accept it, sacrifice, or continue to do what you are doing, spin plates.

Bytches with kids piss me off because most of the time, the kids are by some Ray Ray and Pookie deadbeat, loser, thug idiot. Then you have the bytches with weight issues who refuse to go on a diet. Then you have the bytches with bad finances, I'm talking about she makes $20,000 a year and signed up for a $500 a month car note which also includes a $250 a month insurance rate because her credit is so fvcked up and she lives in a high crime area.

I keep running into those bytches and it's pissing me off. I'm not even interested in spinning plates nor fvcking these bytches anymore.

Bro if you want to commit emotionally, financially, legally, and physically to one woman for the rest of your life, you are going to have to sacrifice some things. The older you get, the harder it will be.

Honestly I don't know how you guys can be tired of having sex with different good looking women and want to get married to one women. Maybe it's to blend in to society or have someone to talk after a rough day. But you can do that without being married.

 

[Tenacity]

Bro life goals and woman goals are not really related.

Says who though? And why not though? Every aspect of my life was strategically planned out based on where I personally wanted to end up within "X" number of years or by "X" age range. I've achieved every other goal, why can't I achieve my goals in relation to women/dating/relationships?

You shouldnt really have women 'goals' either, other than to sleep with them.

Honestly I don't know how you guys can be tired of having sex with different good looking women...

It's called growth. I didn't become "attractive" until 2010, so since then I've been able to get a consistent flow of new dates and new pvssy. By 2014, that shyt started to get "old". By the time I got here to 2016, it became COMPLETELY old and I began soul-searching for something else.

To 'create' something together, to be a tag team, to share and enjoy life with another, to have kids together, to raise a family together, that's her business. She has to come to you and say that to you.

If I "wait" for a woman to approach me on anything personal romance related, I will be waiting until Doomsday. Every woman I've got, I've had to approach her and every progression (romantically) I make with a woman is because I push it forward.

You make it your business, she will leverage as much as possible and try to hurt you in the process. You want to rely on woman for something? You want to depend on her? You want to lean on her? Game over. You can only rely on yourself, she comes along for the ride.

Like I said, SCTBD (some choose to be different). The vast majority of women ain't shyt, just like the vast majority of men ain't shyt in terms of being honest, loyal, homies. But some choose to be different (SCTBD).

I personally am NOT the type of homie like the majority of men are in this market. If I'm your homie, I'm your homie....I'm loyal, and I would never sell you out for a piece of ran over pvssy. But that's not how the vast majority of guys in this market are.

It's extremely hard to filter to find decent people in this market, but you know what? I'm not giving up. Giving up and settling would be to just SPIN PLATES forever with medicore bytches who have literally NOTHING to offer me but pvssy. That's mediocre and I'm not settling.

There's nothing more alpha in my opinion, then to set your own financial, fitness, and personal goals for YOUR life and achieve them....designing life the way YOU see fit. Bill Gates did that, Mark Zuckerberg did that, and that's exactly what Tenacity is going to do. I've achieved everything else, the only thing that's left is to find my Tag Team Partner and god damn it.....I'm going to find her.

 

[ByronicHero]

Good post, lad. I give you ten.

 

[BeTheChange]

It's called Every woman I've got, I've had to approach her and every progression (romantically) I make with a woman is because I push it forward.

And this right here is why it is clear to me that you are not half the catch you think you are.

Not only are you dumpster diving but you are chasing them for commitment. WOW. I would not even give a second glance to the females you claim you have dated - single mums, bad finances, overweight, etc. And I say this as a guy who respects your achievements (outside of women) but you are literally the walking embodiment of someone who knows the red pill but has failed to internalise any of it.

Finding a decent women who ticks all the boxes you have described is NOT that hard. My God.

 

[resilient]

Tenacity, I've read a few of your threads and replies. I haven't jumped in one of your threads, yet I'm wondering about your boredom with spinning plates.

You talk about your lay count and how can attract and hook up with most plates. What about your connection with them in comfort building/rapport after sex and several dates?

I don't mean to sound "homo" or anything, yet I wonder if you're too quick to NEXT them when you find one that may have a chance with you when her interest level is revving consistently high and doesn't want to risk losing you.

Is it high expectations? Fear of rejection? Red pill thinking that all women are slvts? Do you think that they will never be loyal so it's pointless for you to settle into a LTR?

A successful LTR or marriage potential will certainly require some level of compromise and understanding what flaws or traits that you're willing to put up with if the woman has high enough IL and has weathered several storms with you unphased.

 

[Reykhel]

Tenacity, I've read a few of your threads and replies. I haven't jumped in one of your threads, yet I'm wondering about your boredom with spinning plates.

You talk about your lay count and how can attract and hook up with most plates. What about your connection with them in comfort building/rapport after sex and several dates?

I don't mean to sound "homo" or anything, yet I wonder if you're too quick to NEXT them when you find one that may have a chance with you when her interest level is revving consistently high and doesn't want to risk losing you.

Is it high expectations? Fear of rejection? Red pill thinking that all women are slvts? Do you think that they will never be loyal so it's pointless for you to settle into a LTR?

A successful LTR or marriage potential will certainly require some level of compromise and understanding what flaws or traits that you're willing to put up with if the woman has high enough IL and has weathered several storms with you unphased.

Tenacity wasn't getting play with the ladies and then he came to this site.......

This site told him: Get money, get your personality in order and get your body in order..........

WE HAVE TO REMEMBER WHAT HIS MOTIVATIONS WERE FOR THESE GOALS.......

SO he´s got to the gym and got himself fit......because that's what the bitghex want.....

So he thinks he's got his personality int order to please the girls..........IGNORING HIS CHARACTER

So he's got his finances in order because........well hypergamy......

And yet, he ain't happy.......

Cause the ***** is doing everything to make himself into the perfect protocol......

and yet she's not happy.........

All of his post ¡s are simply SEEKING ATTENTION and
wanting to aligning himself with spoon fcuk ..........

he has no personality...........no character

 

[Poon King]

Says who though? And why not though? Every aspect of my life was strategically planned out based on where I personally wanted to end up within "X" number of years or by "X" age range. I've achieved every other goal, why can't I achieve my goals in relation to women/dating/relationships?

People set goals every day and people FAIL at their goals every day. Why does the idea that you might fail at some of your goals shock you? Just because you succeed at some.. that doesn't guarantee you'll succeed at others. There are generally three reasons why people FAIL at a goal they set:

1. They are inadequate and don't have the ability, strength, intelligence or resources to achieve the goal (most common reason)
2. The goal is not realistic (second most common reason)
3. They run out of time

Since you have not run out of time yet.. your reason is either #1 or #2.

 

[Reykhel]

People set goals every day and people FAIL at their goals every day. Why does the idea that you might fail at some of your goals shock you? Just because you succeed at some.. that doesn't guarantee you'll succeed at others. There are generally three reasons why people FAIL at a goal they set:

1. They are inadequate and don't have the ability, strength, intelligence or resources to achieve the goal (most common reason)
2. The goal is not realistic (second most common reason)
3. They run out of time

Since you have not run out of time yet.. your reason is either #1 or #2.

One of the biggest reasons is.......time management

 

[Tenacity]

Tenacity, I've read a few of your threads and replies. I haven't jumped in one of your threads, yet I'm wondering about your boredom with spinning plates.

The problems with ALL of the plates I get is that the women are all bullshyt. Like I said, either they have weight issues, financial issues, too many kids, or some type of personality issue where she's high maintenance/gold-digger like. That's what I've been getting, which has caused me to NOT be able to do anything serious with any of these people and only date/fvck them for very short periods of time. It's also why I keep going OFF on women, it's because of the bullshyt they keep bringing to the table.

Does this mean I svck like BeTheChange says because he quote, unquote NEVER goes through any of this shyt and he finds the type of women I'm looking for hanging off of trees? Maybe....I don't know. It's either I svck and don't know it, I'm in a wrong location, or my expectations are too high.

If my expectations are too high, then how does BeTheChange keep running into the types of women I'm looking for on a daily basis then?

People set goals every day and people FAIL at their goals every day. Why does the idea that you might fail at some of your goals shock you?

Because I'm seeing other guys with the type of women I'm looking for, and I even have people like BeTheChange saying he sees the type of women I'm looking for hanging off of trees. So I have clearly been doing something wrong.....and I'm trying to figure it out so I can find the type of women I want.

Like I said, at this point....I don't even wanna FVCK the women I've been getting anymore.

 

[resilient]

The problems with ALL of the plates I get is that the women are all bullshyt. Like I said, either they have weight issues, financial issues, too many kids, or some type of personality issue where she's high maintenance/gold-digger like.

Maybe it's time for you to move, Tenacity, if all the women around you are conveying this much toxicity. Either that, or enter different social circles that are less likely to have all those issues you mentioned above. You won't find a social circle completely squeaky clean, yet I imagine you can lessen the level of toxicity for sure - if that's all you're seeing out there.

 

[Silko]

In my mind it is human nature to want what we don't have, and to not want what we do have.

Exactly where my ex slings now. She still wants me (pull), but don't want me (push).

In my mind, the HUNT is what attracts. NOT the catch.

Until they see slowing down their options (women getting older) ... then they start to calculate wiser the changes.

 

[Tenacity]

Maybe it's time for you to move, Tenacity, if all the women around you are conveying this much toxicity. Either that, or enter different social circles that are less likely to have all those issues you mentioned above. You won't find a social circle completely squeaky clean, yet I imagine you can lessen the level of toxicity for sure - if that's all you're seeing out there.

My issue is either one of the following:

#1.) I'm in a bad location or pulling from a bad location

#2.) I svck and don't know it

#3.) Or my expectations are too high and I've already PEAKED in terms of the "game" by spinning plates. Thus, I need to pick one of the types of women I am getting and do an LTR with them, rather than continuing to look for my "ideal".

I don't think it's number 3, because I've seen guys who have the girl that I'm technically looking for so I KNOW she exists. I don't understand how it would be number 1, because it's not like I'm pulling solely from a bad pool of prospects. It COULD be number 2, I could be doing something stupid and don't know it....or I haven't finished developed my personality/game aspects.

 

[Silko]

My issue is either one of the following:

You are taking it like math. It's not math.