Why should prostitution be illegal?

[Wired for Sound]

If you study a subgroup of population 'A' (hookers where hooking is illegal) and use that to make predictions about the criminal behavior of population 'B' (hookers where hooking has been legalized) you're a moron or you're being intentionally misleading..... you decide.

Agreed. Fortunately for ME, both groups were included in the study. Not so good for you, my big johnson'd friend.

I wonder why not a SINGLE 1st world country with legalized prostitution was surveyed? Odd.

More misunderstandings from your side of the table that result from not paying attention. Since you missed "Turkey" in the statistic, you made another nonsensical attack at a statistic that obviously disproves your contention that prostitutes are one big happy family that get up and go to work every day and come home safe and sound like any other "job". And don't expect to find too many 1st world or even 3rd world countries with legalized prostitution. Clear-thinking people understand the dangers of prostitution and the negative impacts it has on society, and these people have subsequently ensured that it stays illegal.

Who cares? Ultimately what business is it of ours to say someone can give a service away but cannot sell it?

I'm an American. Since we live in a Democracy, I decide whether or not I want some trashy human ***-dumpster on my corner asking everyone that walks by if they're looking for a good time. The constitution says that people are more than welcome to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home, so long as it doesn't harm themselves or others and is within the law of our land. Since it harms themselves and others on a long-term scale, it becomes my business. Similar to how it's my business whether or not a crack dealer sets up shop on my block. Am I going to ignore this individual because he only gives away free baggies? Come on, now.

Riding a motorcycle is more than an order of magnitude more likely to cause a person to die than driving a car the same distance. Shall we make bikes illegal? Some would say yes, but I disagree.

Now, now. You seem somewhat alert and able to distinguish different situations. You should be able to discern the difference between one act that causes crime to balloon like a mushroom cloud in the vicinity of this act and another act that causes absolutely no other crime to be committed as a result of the act.

If you must, show a study that is not funded by a group with an axe to grind that surveys 1st world countries where prostitution is legal and has been for at least one decade.

(Turkey), but I'll go ahead and Google some for you within the next few days. Although this isn't something I "must" do. I just consider this a personal favor since your search engine is clearly inoperable at the moment.

 

[Wired for Sound]

Patty Kelly, an anthropology professor at George Washington University, is the author of "Lydia's Open Door: Inside Mexico's Most Modern Brothel," due out in April.

Whoa, wait a second. Wait just a SECOND. Patty KELLY thinks prostitution should be legal? Stop the presses. I'm convinced. Well played, my friend. Well...played.

 

[ketostix]

Wired, Turkey isn't exactly a 1st world country where women have a lot of rights. You just continue to make unsubstantiated and leaping conclusion like, "prostitution creates more crime", "making prostitution illegal reduces crime", "legalizing prostitution equals more street walkers everywhere", etc. None of your conclusions are substantiated. You're are just set in your belief and closed-minded.

I don't personally care that much if prostitution remains illegal or is legalized, all though I believe it would be better if it was legalized. And I definitely believe that this argument that legalizing prostitution would increase crime is totally unfounded and erroneous.

My problem with it is how the government creates more "crime" by making something like this illegal. It creates all these imaginery crimes: prostitution, the Mann act (tansporting prostitute across state lines), money laundering and wire fraud (because agencies aren't going to call their business an "escort agency") tax invasion, etc. And most of these charges go against the agency not the prostitutes. An agency, that if prostitution wasn't deemed illegal in the first place, is running a legitimate business and paying taxes providing a service that has a demand. There was no drug use, violence, real fraud or otherwise going on. But you want to claim "there was crime going on because I imagined there was.

It's this over-oppressive renegade governmant action that bothers me the most. I don't see them protecting anyone, just wasting tax money and wittling away people's freedoms and ights.

 

[Wired for Sound]

Wired, Turkey isn't exactly a 1st world country where women have a lot of rights.

Is that a fact? Funny, my Turkish girlfriend paints a slightly different picture of her country. But I'm sure she's way off base since it lends further credence why the world's population has voted overwhelmingly to keep prostitution illegal in their respective countries.

You just continue to make unsubstantiated and leaping conclusion like, "prostitution creates more crime", "making prostitution illegal reduces crime", "legalizing prostitution equals more street walkers everywhere", etc. None of your conclusions are substantiated.

Oh, they are. I even provided the facts to prove it. You just chose not to accept them since it makes YOUR side seem...well, unsubstantiated.

You're are just set in your belief and closed-minded.

Very true. I also believe that the Earth is round and the sun will rise tomorrow. I'm a big logic and facts guy. The whole "theory and guesswork" thing never really turned me on, much.

I don't personally care that much if prostitution remains illegal or is legalized, all though I believe it would be better if it was legalized. And I definitely believe that this argument that legalizing prostitution would increase crime is totally unfounded and erroneous.

And I believe the exact opposite. I believe that you DO care, and that's why you chose to create an entire thread devoted to the issue the instant you heard about the Democrat governor's very embarrassing demise. And I don't remember anybody saying that legalizing prostitution would increase crime. In fact, it would technically DECREASE crime since you're scratching a law that can be broken off of the books.

But you want to claim "there was crime going on because I imagined there was.

You know better than that. I have no agenda here. I claim that dirty, shady behavior breeds further dirty, shady behavior because this is what the studies and polls show. The only thing that I "want to claim" in any discussion are the facts. Anything else doesn't do ANYBODY any good. I mean, hey. Just look at MSNBC and what their axe-grinding has earned them in the ratings department for example. And for the record, just because escort services would be legalized would NOT eliminate the disease-infested streetwalkers. It's legal to get a job as a painter, so why do you still see illegal aliens down at 7-11 waiting to get picked up by a contractor? Exactly.

I don't see them protecting anyone, just wasting tax money and wittling away people's freedoms and ights.

Because you see what you WANT to see, man. You see the government torturing poor ol' Abdul that only took a wrong turn at Kandahar and ended up in prison! I see the United States of America protecting itself by using coerced interrogation on those that threaten our safety, and saving lives in the process. You see no progress being done as a result of the measures we've taken to prevent further terrorist attacks, whereas I see no attack occurring on our soil since 9/11 as a direct result of the steps we've taken. You see a woman trying to earn the almighty dollar in an honest living just like the next American, doing nobody any harm and just minding her own business. I see an STD-wheelbarrow that likes to spread her diseases to others, and self-destruct as a result of not being able to hack it in a real profession and/or being hopelessly addicted to drugs without seeking help. Our differences are what makes the world go round.

 

[Maxtro]

I'm an American. Since we live in a Democracy, I decide whether or not I want some trashy human ***-dumpster on my corner asking everyone that walks by if they're looking for a good time.

I agree with you about the street walkers. They should not be walking around selling sex as it looks really bad and trashy. I would not want some girl to come up to me and try to sell me sex no matter how hot she is.

But a brothel, call girl agencies and escorts who advertise in newspapers and the internet are a different story. The biggest thing separating the street walkers from the others is the visibility. And that is the biggest issue. It's just not professional. Also the unsolicited nature of the street walker makes it even worse. But a brothel or online ads does not have that problem.

In my opinion prostitution should be legal but the act of street walking and propositioning sex acts should be illegal. A brothel should be able to be located anyplace a strip club is. The strip club would basically be, try before you buy.

The constitution says that people are more than welcome to do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home, so long as it doesn't harm themselves or others and is within the law of our land. Since it harms themselves and others on a long-term scale, it becomes my business.

Now why you are arguing against prostitution is starting to make sense. Why do you think the hookers are hurting themselves and hurting the John's. Or is it the other way around?

Yes it is true that some women are forced into and cannot stop hooking and I believe that forcing somebody into prostitution; human trafficking and pimping should still remain illegal. But if the woman wants to become a hooker then she should be allowed to do that. I don't see how it is different from being a stripper or doing porn. How else does it hurt them?

As for harming others. Who is it harming and how? Alcohol and drugs are much more harmful to the user and other people than prostitution. Getting a hooker can actually be a very beneficial thing.

Similar to how it's my business whether or not a crack dealer sets up shop on my block. Am I going to ignore this individual because he only gives away free baggies? Come on, now.

Are you seriously comparing a hooker to a crack dealer? "Come on, now." Drugs have been shown to destroy peoples lives and even cause death. Does paying for sex do those things?

 

[ketostix]

I agree with you about the street walkers. They should not be walking around selling sex as it looks really bad and trashy. I would not want some girl to come up to me and try to sell me sex no matter how hot she is.

But a brothel, call girl agencies and escorts who advertise in newspapers and the internet are a different story. The biggest thing separating the street walkers from the others is the visibility. And that is the biggest issue. It's just not professional. Also the unsolicited nature of the street walker makes it even worse. But a brothel or online ads does not have that problem.

In my opinion prostitution should be legal but the act of street walking and propositioning sex acts should be illegal. A brothel should be able to be located anyplace a strip club is. The strip club would basically be, try before you buy.


Now why you are arguing against prostitution is starting to make sense. Why do you think the hookers are hurting themselves and hurting the John's. Or is it the other way around?

Yes it is true that some women are forced into and cannot stop hooking and I believe that forcing somebody into prostitution; human trafficking and pimping should still remain illegal. But if the woman wants to become a hooker then she should be allowed to do that. I don't see how it is different from being a stripper or doing porn. How else does it hurt them?

As for harming others. Who is it harming and how? Alcohol and drugs are much more harmful to the user and other people than prostitution. Getting a hooker can actually be a very beneficial thing.

Are you seriously comparing a hooker to a crack dealer? "Come on, now." Drugs have been shown to destroy peoples lives and even cause death. Does paying for sex do those things?

Yeah Maxtro, but it's pointless having a discusion with Wired-for-sound. He claims he's proven a "fact" even after it was pointed out that there was major holes in the study he claims is fact. He just makes arguments like a woman, going round and round in circles. He can't seem to get the point that prostitution is happening already and unregulated and untaxed. So keeping it illegal is not benefiting anyone. All he's done is presented his opinion, as shakey and unfounded as it is, claimed it is proven fact (and the only fact), then he even claims if the law agrees with his own personal opinion that equals democracy. Wth?

What irks me the most is he keeps saying he's logically "proven facts". It's just ridiculous. For example, I say that the government gets too involved domestically with citizens' rights and uses strong arm tactics, and he goes off on a tangent about international terrorists and the wars. It kind of reminds me of Letterman's joke, "They can't get Bin Laden, but by god they got Spitzer." lol. I bring up the fact that the government targets agencies, that were it not for prostitution being illegal, are running a perfectly legitimate business, and he brings up drug addicts, pimps and streetwalkers . He's just mixing everything up mumbo jumbo. It's ridiculous.

 

[Wired for Sound]

In my opinion prostitution should be legal but the act of street walking and propositioning sex acts should be illegal. A brothel should be able to be located anyplace a strip club is. The strip club would basically be, try before you buy.

The sounds reasonable, although the escort services and Asian massage parlors aren't raided nearly as often as child porn rings, drug houses and other private crime rings. It's almost akin to arguing for legalizing jaywalking. Although how many jaywalkers do you know end up dead after showing up to some stranger's house at 3 a.m. to have sex with them?

Now why you are arguing against prostitution is starting to make sense. Why do you think the hookers are hurting themselves and hurting the John's. Or is it the other way around?

It goes both ways. I think this way because this is what the facts are. The hookers spread diseases and sometimes rob the Johns, while the Johns assault, rape, and murder the hookers.

I don't see how it is different from being a stripper or doing porn. How else does it hurt them?

Porn, you make less money. Otherwise it's basically the same concept. Money for sex. But a stripper? You don't see the difference between taking your clothes off for money and having SEX for money?

As for harming others. Who is it harming and how? Alcohol and drugs are much more harmful to the user and other people than prostitution.

Depends on your definition of "harm". Personally I'll take a hangover any day of the week over living the rest of my life with AIDS. But...that's just me.

Are you seriously comparing a hooker to a crack dealer? "Come on, now." Drugs have been shown to destroy peoples lives and even cause death. Does paying for sex do those things?

Uh, let me think. Yes. Unless you can prove that STD's don't exist and people don't murder prostitutes and vice versa...?

 

[Wired for Sound]

Yeah Maxtro, but it's pointless having a discusion with Wired-for-sound. He claims he's proven a "fact" even after it was pointed out that there was major holes in the study he claims is fact.

Actually I'm having a perfectly rational discussion with Maxtro. It is YOU that is having trouble debating a topic with facts and logic in play. And don't put the word "fact" in quotes. It highlights your penchant for having a distaste for these pesky little details.

He can't seem to get the point that prostitution is happening already and unregulated and untaxed. So keeping it illegal is not benefiting anyone.

Horrible, horrible logic. Terrorism is happening already and is unregulated and untaxed. Murder-for-hire is happening already and is unregulated and untaxed. SO KEEPING IT ILLEGAL IS NOT BENEFITING ANYONE. :crackup: You've just crossed over into Last Man Standing land, Chief.

All he's done is presented his opinion, as shakey and unfounded as it is, claimed it is proven fact (and the only fact), then he even claims if the law agrees with his own personal opinion that equals democracy. Wth?

You haven't been paying attention at all, have you?

It kind of reminds me of Letterman's joke, "They can't get Bin Laden, but by god they got Spitzer." lol. I bring up the fact that the government targets agencies, that were it not for prostitution being illegal, are running a perfectly legitimate business, and he brings up drug addicts, pimps and streetwalkers . He's just mixing everything up mumbo jumbo. It's ridiculous.

Far-left late night talk show hosts aside, escort services are not "perfectly legitimate businesses." Sorry to bust your bubble. Say goodbye to Toto and the poppy fields and come back to reality.

 

[Maxtro]

The sounds reasonable, although the escort services and Asian massage parlors aren't raided nearly as often as child porn rings, drug houses and other private crime rings. It's almost akin to arguing for legalizing jaywalking. Although how many jaywalkers do you know end up dead after showing up to some stranger's house at 3 a.m. to have sex with them?

I'm not sure how raiding escorts and AMP has any relation to legalizing prostitution. If it was legal, then the government would not need to spend the money to raid. If they are raided less now, that means the government knows that hooker rings are not important enough to even bother with. I don't know why you are comparing prostitution to jay walking or any other crimes. How many news stories do you hear about some celebrity going to jail for jaywalking? The two are very different.

It goes both ways. I think this way because this is what the facts are. The hookers spread diseases and sometimes rob the Johns, while the Johns assault, rape, and murder the hookers.

Yeah that's true. A hooker that robs a John is called a R-O-B "Rip Off Bitch" And yes some hookers have robbed or have been victims of other violent crimes. But you know what? Those can't reported now. The John who was robbed can't go to the cops and tell them that "Kristy" stole his money because what he was going to /did do with her is illegal. If prostitution was legal then he could. Same goes for the hooker. If hooking was legal then both would be given more protections and rights under the law.

As for diseases. You are much more likely to get a disease from a college coed than a hooker. I've heard of very few people getting diseases from hookers. Most hookers require a condom.

Porn, you make less money. Otherwise it's basically the same concept. Money for sex. But a stripper? You don't see the difference between taking your clothes off for money and having SEX for money?

The money argument is irrelevant. As for stripping for money versus sex for money I know the difference but both are related and often connected.

Depends on your definition of "harm". Personally I'll take a hangover any day of the week over living the rest of my life with AIDS. But...that's just me.

Funny you list the smallest bad thing that can happen to you caused by drinking and the absolute worst thing that can happen from having sex. Just in case you didn't know one of the worst things that can happen when you are drunk is you killing somebody while your driving. Or you can basically destroy your liver. I can list many more negatives about alcohol.

You still have not given your reasons of why you think prostitution should be illegal. You've also ignored anything I've said about the womans right to decide what she does. And I strongly believe that the government has no right in telling me that I can't have sex with a woman because I'm giving her money.

Horrible, horrible logic. Terrorism is happening already and is unregulated and untaxed. Murder-for-hire is happening already and is unregulated and untaxed. SO KEEPING IT ILLEGAL IS NOT BENEFITING ANYONE. :crackup: You've just crossed over into Last Man Standing land, Chief.

"Horrible, horrible logic." Why the heck are you comparing terrorism and killing people to prostitution?

I bring up the fact that the government targets agencies, that were it not for prostitution being illegal, are running a perfectly legitimate business, and he brings up drug addicts, pimps and streetwalkers . He's just mixing everything up mumbo jumbo. It's ridiculous.

Yeah those agencies can be perfectly legitimate business. They are providing a service. As long as they fallow all the rules and regulations that the government requires for business the should be allowed to operate.

I need to do some research on the ways to actually start making it legal.

BTW I don't like to talk about actual posters so thats why I didn't address what you wrote about Wired for Sound.

 

[ketostix]

Actually I'm having a perfectly rational discussion with Maxtro. It is YOU that is having trouble debating a topic with facts and logic in play. And don't put the word "fact" in quotes. It highlights your penchant for having a distaste for these pesky little details.

That's your opinion. You're not rational and you have put no facts forward, just your opinions backed by a lot of leaps in logics and unsubstabtiated claims.

Horrible, horrible logic. Terrorism is happening already and is unregulated and untaxed. Murder-for-hire is happening already and is unregulated and untaxed. SO KEEPING IT ILLEGAL IS NOT BENEFITING ANYONE. :crackup: You've just crossed over into Last Man Standing land, Chief.

See this is a perfect example of how you are irrational. You are just mixing everything together and comparing apples and oranges.You are comapring sex and payment to terrorism and murder. Is this not nuts or what? And you have the gall to compare me to LMS. See, now the mentality of people who think like you becomes apparent. Can't you see how you're making the biggest blunder in reasoning? I could be just as ridiculous as you and turn your logic around and accuse you of saying just because something is illegal that makes that thing automatically right to be illegal. So if it's illegal for women or blacks to vote

You haven't been paying attention at all, have you?

It's you that doesn't pay attention.

Far-left late night talk show hosts aside, escort services are not "perfectly legitimate businesses." Sorry to bust your bubble. Say goodbye to Toto and the poppy fields and come back to reality.

If you're going to continue to make up insinuations and strawmen to attack, then what can I say but screw you :moon: .

The sounds reasonable, although the escort services and Asian massage parlors aren't raided nearly as often as child porn rings, drug houses and other private crime rings. It's almost akin to arguing for legalizing jaywalking. Although how many jaywalkers do you know end up dead after showing up to some stranger's house at 3 a.m. to have sex with them?

And how many prostitutes do you know end up dead? I'd say very few and a lot less than women do in general. You have not proven a link between prostitution and legality vs illegality in increasing/decreasing other crimes. Do you not understand the difference between stating your belief and opinion and stating what is a fact? I guess not. You resort to false comparisons and false analogies so much it's ridiculous. You just keeping throwing everything together. The issue here is why should it be illegal to sell something you can give away for free, and not all this other BS you mix in just because in your opinion they should automatically be mixed in.

It goes both ways. I think this way because this is what the facts are. The hookers spread diseases and sometimes rob the Johns, while the Johns assault, rape, and murder the hookers.

Another example of you making unsubstantiated claims. How many John's assualt, rape and murder hookers? People sometimes assualt, rape and murder "nonhookers" for numnerous motives. Sometimes wives/husband murder their spuse. Gee, lets make relationships illegal. Sometimes people randomly rape college students (nonhookers). Gee what should we do, make college illegal? Gee maybe we should make jogging illegal because some college girls got randomly raped while jogging. Maybe we should make men illegal because they're al rapist! This is basically how ridiculous your arguments are.

Porn, you make less money. Otherwise it's basically the same concept. Money for sex. But a stripper? You don't see the difference between taking your clothes off for money and having SEX for money?

There you go again stating your opion as fact. How do you know porn makes less money? But that's not important. I was just ilustrating how you debate things. " Otherwise it's basically the same concept. Money for sex." Ok so then tell me again why porn is legal and prostitution is not. " But a stripper? You don't see the difference between taking your clothes off for money and having SEX for money?" Oh OK, now you realize you can't compare apples and oranges when it doesn't suit you. Otherwise it's OK for you to compare apples and oranges all day .

Depends on your definition of "harm". Personally I'll take a hangover any day of the week over living the rest of my life with AIDS. But...that's just me.

You're basically saying to Maxtro alcohol&drugs just equal a hangover, but legal prostitution equals aids! You can get aids from drugs use (needles, that's how it is spread a lot), or from any other risky sex act, anal, homosexuality, etc. But where is the proof that prostitutes are spreading aids at a higher rate than other groups? The point is your logic is to make prostitution illegal bcause of aids, and even putting aside the fact that you have no solid proof that doing that is deceasing std transmission, why not make anal sex and homosexuality illegal too?

Uh, let me think. Yes. Unless you can prove that STD's don't exist and people don't murder prostitutes and vice versa...?

Ok so if I can prove that nonhookers have STD's and get murdered (this is a common knowledge fact) then what? According to your logic, what do we need to make illegal next to lower this?

 

[ketostix]

I'm not sure how raiding escorts and AMP has any relation to legalizing prostitution. If it was legal, then the government would not need to spend the money to raid. If they are raided less now, that means the government knows that hooker rings are not important enough to even bother with. I don't know why you are comparing prostitution to jay walking or any other crimes. How many news stories do you hear about some celebrity going to jail for jaywalking? The two are very different.


Yeah that's true. A hooker that robs a John is called a R-O-B "Rip Off Bitch" And yes some hookers have robbed or have been victims of other violent crimes. But you know what? Those can't reported now. The John who was robbed can't go to the cops and tell them that "Kristy" stole his money because what he was going to /did do with her is illegal. If prostitution was legal then he could. Same goes for the hooker. If hooking was legal then both would be given more protections and rights under the law.

As for diseases. You are much more likely to get a disease from a college coed than a hooker. I've heard of very few people getting diseases from hookers. Most hookers require a condom.



The money argument is irrelevant. As for stripping for money versus sex for money I know the difference but both are related and often connected.


Funny you list the smallest bad thing that can happen to you caused by drinking and the absolute worst thing that can happen from having sex. Just in case you didn't know one of the worst things that can happen when you are drunk is you killing somebody while your driving. Or you can basically destroy your liver. I can list many more negatives about alcohol.

You still have not given your reasons of why you think prostitution should be illegal. You've also ignored anything I've said about the womans right to decide what she does. And I strongly believe that the government has no right in telling me that I can't have sex with a woman because I'm giving her money.

"Horrible, horrible logic." Why the heck are you comparing terrorism and killing people to prostitution?


Yeah those agencies can be perfectly legitimate business. They are providing a service. As long as they fallow all the rules and regulations that the government requires for business the should be allowed to operate.

I need to do some research on the ways to actually start making it legal.

BTW I don't like to talk about actual posters so thats why I didn't address what you wrote about Wired for Sound.

Maxtro, I think you totally refuted him in this reply. I don't like to personally criticise another poster either, but wired-for-sound keeps making insulting insinuations and strawmen to attack. It's really annoying. No one said prostitution is a wonderful thing. All we've been saying is it would be better off legalized. He doesn't have a leg to stand on so he resorts to outrageous comparisons, opinions and unsubstantiated claims he labels as facts, strawmen to attack, etc.

 

[jasper x]

Hey I thought I'd be like Deus/Horowitz/Wired and create another pseudonym to post under.

LOL!

Can things get anymore ridiculous?

 

[ketostix]

Hey I thought I'd be like Deus/Horowitz/Wired and create another pseudonym to post under.

LOL!

Can things get anymore ridiculous?

Yeah it is ridiculous. I'm not sure who Wired is but it's obviously some poster trolling under a different name. I wonder if the mods know who it is?

 

[Wired for Sound]

I'm not sure how raiding escorts and AMP has any relation to legalizing prostitution...

You make it sound as if escorts are constantly being hounded by police, when they aren't.

If hooking was legal then both would be given more protections and rights under the law.

Add drug-dealers and murderers to that list.

I've heard of very few people getting diseases from hookers. Most hookers require a condom.

True, because condoms are totally 100% effective.

The money argument is irrelevant.

Since we're talking about money in exchange for sex, I think it's pretty damn relevant.

I can list many more negatives about alcohol.

Like I don't have anything more up my sleeve about prostitution?

You still have not given your reasons of why you think prostitution should be illegal.

It perpetuates disease and societal decay, and breeds more crime.

You've also ignored anything I've said about the womans right to decide what she does.

I already addressed that. She doesn't have the right to "decide" what she does because it's against the law. Like murder.

"Horrible, horrible logic." Why the heck are you comparing terrorism and killing people to prostitution?

I made no such comparison. "ketostix" tried to rationalize the legalization of prostitution by saying that it is already happening everywhere and it's "unregulated", so it should be legalized. Since murder and terrorism also falls into that category, it is horrible logic.

Yeah those agencies can be perfectly legitimate business. They are providing a service. As long as they fallow all the rules and regulations that the government requires for business the should be allowed to operate.

Entirely your own individual opinion.

See bold above.

 

[Wired for Sound]

That's your opinion. You're not rational and you have put no facts forward, just your opinions backed by a lot of leaps in logics and unsubstabtiated claims.

You can't even spell unsubstantiated. Why should I listen to you?

See this is a perfect example of how you are irrational. You are just mixing everything together and comparing apples and oranges.You are comapring sex and payment to terrorism and murder.

Nope. Like I told Maxtro, since you came to the conclusion that prostitution should be legalized because it is "unregulated" and "already happening", the same logic can be applied to any illegal activity. So you see, it was YOU that was making the comparison. Whoops.

If you're going to continue to make up insinuations and strawmen to attack, then what can I say but screw you

Nothing, if you're intellect isn't developed enough to have a conversation without resorting to personal attacks and broad generalizations to muck up your perspective beyond reason. Why is it that people of your ilk constantly use the phrase "straw man argument"? I never understood that. Far-left radicals, racists, looks-matter activists...is it just a clouded life perspective, a lack of education or what?

And how many prostitutes do you know end up dead?

I don't socialize with the dregs of society. So none.

You have not proven a link between prostitution and legality vs illegality in increasing/decreasing other crimes.

No, but others have. I don't need to go to space or sail around the world to prove that the Earth is round, either.

People sometimes assualt, rape and murder "nonhookers" for numnerous motives.

People also get AIDS from needles infected with the HIV virus that have been strategically placed underneath the nozzles of gasoline pumps. Now you're saying that someone walking down the street minding their own business has the same likelihood of being attacked as someone who goes to visit some stranger's house at 3 a.m. to have sex for money. Sure, bro. Suuuuure.... :yawn:

There you go again stating your opion as fact. How do you know porn makes less money?

Because I've done my homework. Not an opinion. Facts. Unless YOU can find me some actresses that make 30 grand a weekend.

Ok so then tell me again why porn is legal and prostitution is not.

Easier to regulate and organize for starters.

But where is the proof that prostitutes are spreading aids at a higher rate than other groups?

In the pudding. This is common sense, here. A person that doesn't have sex with strangers for a living will not spread diseases at high a rate as someone who does not. VERY basic deductive reasoning.

The point is your logic is to make prostitution illegal bcause of aids...

Nope. Just one of the many, many, many reasons.

Ok so if I can prove that nonhookers have STD's and get murdered (this is a common knowledge fact) then what? According to your logic, what do we need to make illegal next to lower this?

Any other activity that equals the murder rate and spreading of STDs.

Sidenote:

Deus was banned for having a roommate that likes to troll SoSuave. Since there's no way to distinguish people if they have the same IP, the mods had no choice but to ban both me AND my roommate. After creating Vladimir Horowitz, the IP was again matched and subsequently banned. So far, this name hasn't been banned either due to my roommate taking it easy on the trolling and/or Allen hasn't gotten around to it yet. And yes, they are aware.

Pretty simple stuff. :yawn:

 

[ketostix]

Sidenote:

Deus was banned for having a roommate that likes to troll SoSuave. Since there's no way to distinguish people if they have the same IP, the mods had no choice but to ban both me AND my roommate. After creating Vladimir Horowitz, the IP was again matched and subsequently banned. So far, this name hasn't been banned either due to my roommate taking it easy on the trolling and/or Allen hasn't gotten around to it yet. And yes, they are aware.

Pretty simple stuff. :yawn:

Well this is explains your replies in this thread, and it explains why the mods ban you. IMO opinion you're basically a troll and the worst one currently on Sosuave.

 

[Wired for Sound]

Well this is explains your replies in this thread, and it explains why the mods ban you.

No, it doesn't. My disagreeing with you on prostitution has nothing to do with my banning. I already explained the situation to you, and it had nothing to do with me. Listen.

IMO opinion you're basically a troll and the worst one currently on Sosuave.

Sure, but in your opinion prostitution should be legalized because it is "already happening", so we can't really go by your opinions, now can we?

 

[JackPrescott]

Why? It's simpler than you may think.


Prostitution, Drug use, and various other "victimless crimes" are illegal (amongst other reasons) because they breed more crime which is often violent. The pimps enslave women, beat them to a pulp, sometimes fatally, and hook them on drugs to keep them dependent. Prostitution is also an extremely dangerous job, and the hoes are often beaten, raped, and/or murdered. Same thing with drugs. People kill each other over drug deals gone bad, and the human trash that peddles them often tries to get a leg up on the next guy via violence. The users are no better, and will do anything to get the drugs if they're addicted. Steal, sell their bodies, and various other illegal activities. Crime breeds crime. That's why it should be illegal.

This is strictly subjective. In Nevada, where Brothels are legal, they have security, security cameras, and the girls are all checked for STDs and condoms are required. Drug use is illegal because Greedy ass Uncle Sam is FURIOUS that he cannot tax the sale of illegal drugs. Only Prescription Drugs, which he can then fukk over the American People with, and make the Drug Companies insanely rich. STREET PROSTITUTION can be likened to Back Alley Abortions, about a billion times more dangerous than a legal one done by an MD. Crime breeds crime, especially in the Federal Government.

 

[bigjohnson]

I agree with you about the street walkers. They should not be walking around selling sex as it looks really bad and trashy. I would not want some girl to come up to me and try to sell me sex no matter how hot she is.

We have perfectly good laws WRT indecent exposure and being accosted in public for all sorts of things. As usual he's squeezing apples and claiming it makes orange juice.

 

[bigjohnson]

Pretty simple stuff. :yawn:

Coming from someone who can't figure out how to secure a discussion forum account I find this incredibly funny.