Why should prostitution be illegal?

[ketostix]

I thought of this yesterday too, but I was thinking one could set up the "set" and automate the digital chain such that there was a photo-CD and DVD ready to take by the time the "actor" was ready to leave. The artist release could state that neither party was free to release the "art" and there is a CD capable shredder on the way out just in case the actor isn't "pleased with his performance".

Sounds like a good business plan to me .

 

[ketostix]

The real reason for the illegalization of prostitution is because we are still at the tail end of a society that, up until 50 years or so ago, treated women as property. Many countries didn't even allow women to vote until the last century. Overall legalization of hooking would be an open admission that women are in fact NOT property, and that they own themselves. Despite what some of you may think, the "natural order" of things is NOT one masculine man with one feminine woman. It is ONE Masculine ALPHA man with about 20 feminine women, and bunch of AFC's hanging out hoping for sloppy seconds. If hooking was made legal, it would really mess up the collectivly created 10,000 year old AFC favorable one-man one-woman matrix.

Well I agree with some of your post but I couldn't disagree with the above more, especially your conclusion in regard to why prostitution is illegal. It could've been written by a feminist. First off this "women as property" stuff is just semantics. For all intents and purposes women had rights throughout western civilization. There's a lot of people at least secretly that probably rightfully believe that women generally aren't fair-minded enough to vote, but that doesn't mean they didn't influence their Men's votes. Your claim that there was "20 feminine women for every masculine man" is a myth and has never been documented outside of ONE ruler having several women. Just because you claim it happened 10,000 years ago in prehistoric times (how convenient) doesn't make it any more true. But don't you see that calling the majority of men AFC hoping for sloppy seconds and at the same time women as having no rights a big contradiction? Besides prostitution is the oldest profession so what your saying doesn't really add up.

As far as that dumb ass dude who got busted, what a moron. If you wanna get some, just put on a fake beard and baseball cap and go to your local rub-n-tug, they know what they're doing. 5K? Jeeeeezuz.

While he might be a dumbass, what you're not considering is this was probably a very high class hooker agency and politicians deal with them all the time. The only reason he was caught was because the FED's were wire tapping, probably thanks to the Patriot Act.

 

[woods]

It's illegal because those who made the laws did so on the mistaken notion that making it illegal would discourage it. I don't think the fines collected exceed the costs of enforcement, so it's not even a cash cow for the cities.

The main effect of legalizing it would be to make it safer and less expensive.

Safer, yes.Here in Reno, you're better and safer off with a licensed, weekly tested prostitute, who is safe sex certified, meaning they know how to be safe; than with the average slvt who's only safe when she's sober, and crawling with diseases.

My buddy told me a story of when he was living with some chick, and his friend was a millionaire and wanted to go to the Mustang, and he saw his GFs best friend while he was there! he thought he was busted, so he called his GF and told her he took his friend to the ranch, and she said "yeah right! But as long as your doing it there, and not with some nasty barslut, it's cool." And she was nice when he got home, and fvcked his brains out. Of course, she probably took it as permission to get gangbanged herself though!

As for less expensive, however, it is not. its around $500 a pop nowadays, but it is much safer. Prostitution and (mostly) gambling totally fund Nevada. We have no state taxes here.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

For all intents and purposes women had rights throughout western civilization.

Not from what I've read and studied, but thats my opinion.

Your claim that there was "20 feminine women for every masculine man" is a myth and has never been documented outside of ONE ruler having several women. Just because you claim it happened 10,000 years ago in prehistoric times (how convenient) doesn't make it any more true. But don't you see that calling the majority of men AFC hoping for sloppy seconds and at the same time women as having no rights a big contradiction?

Ok, based on what I've read on evolutionary psychology (Ridley, Dawkins, Bloom, de Waal) this is how it went down: (and of course there is no proof one way or the other, this my opinion based on the available research and material TO DATE)

men lived in tribes of about 50 people. Only a couple dudes got all the chicks. mankind lived this way for millions of years. one, maybe two alphas per tribe that fathered most of the children.
Then, around 10K years ago agriculture was developed. This allowed dudes to stop hunting, and stop farming, which made societies larger and larger. The collective (AFC's) realized that the "two dudes for every 10-15 available women" model didn't work out so well, because dudes would brain each other to death over women so they invented religion and rules that one man = one woman. The idea of women as property came from the agriculture model (if i plant my seed, and stuff grows, then I own what I planted my seed in). Only in the last couple of centures this model has come under questions, as technology and communication allows women to say "WTF?"

I know this sounds crude and undignified and immoral and whatever, but our NATURAL STATE (think a million years of living vs. 10K years) is just like chimps live.

Again, this is my OPINION based on the number of books I've read on the subject.

Besides prostitution is the oldest profession so what your saying doesn't really add up.

funny you should mention that. After the first coins were invented and widely used (credited by some to Krosus of Lydia) and people stopped having to lug big bales of hay and a bunch of chickens around, the two businesses that IMMEDIATELY sprung up were:

houses of prostitution, and casinos.

and this was AFTER the AFC matrix was established.

 

[ketostix]

Not from what I've read and studied, but thats my opinion.



Ok, based on what I've read on evolutionary psychology (Ridley, Dawkins, Bloom, de Waal) this is how it went down: (and of course there is no proof one way or the other, this my opinion based on the available research and material TO DATE)

men lived in tribes of about 50 people. Only a couple dudes got all the chicks. mankind lived this way for millions of years. one, maybe two alphas per tribe that fathered most of the children.
Then, around 10K years ago agriculture was developed. This allowed dudes to stop hunting, and stop farming, which made societies larger and larger. The collective (AFC's) realized that the "two dudes for every 10-15 available women" model didn't work out so well, because dudes would brain each other to death over women so they invented religion and rules that one man = one woman. The idea of women as property came from the agriculture model (if i plant my seed, and stuff grows, then I own what I planted my seed in). Only in the last couple of centures this model has come under questions, as technology and communication allows women to say "WTF?"

I know this sounds crude and undignified and immoral and whatever, but our NATURAL STATE (think a million years of living vs. 10K years) is just like chimps live.

Again, this is my OPINION based on the number of books I've read on the subject.



funny you should mention that. After the first coins were invented and widely used (credited by some to Krosus of Lydia) and people stopped having to lug big bales of hay and a bunch of chickens around, the two businesses that IMMEDIATELY sprung up were:

houses of prostitution, and casinos.

and this was AFTER the AFC matrix was established.

Well but still speculations of what happened prehistorically which contrasts with accurate history are just what they are, speculations. I don't look to chimps as a quide to what prehistoric man did, maybe for what prehistoric chimps did, but not man.

Native Americans is the best relatively recent and known model of a hunter gather, non-agriculture society (not to mention other examples that still exist in some parts of the world) and how they lived is nothing like the speculations you're talking about. The tribes could be quite larger, they were made up of families and even the tribal leader (who happened to be older) had better things to do than claim all the women for himself and piss off young male members of the tribe.

I think were getting a little off topic here but as far as the women's rights argument, women just got greedy and it was modern propaganda more than anything that shifted things towards their favor.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

(not to mention other examples that still exist in some parts of the world)

You mean like the Yanomamo of south america? The ones where one dude has many wives? The ones that routinely raid their neighbors and "steal' more women?

anyways, I don't think this is off topic. It supports my OPINION as to why prostitution is illegal, because it is in direct opposition to the "woman as property" model that has existed in society for thousands of years.

 

[Wired for Sound]

Consider what happened when alcohol was made illegal. There was a sudden influx of crime, gangs and murder. Does that mean it was a bad idea to make it legal again?

I don't know. Maybe. However, comparing drinkin' a beer to giving some filthy hooker that you picked up in a back alley money for sex doesn't really work. I'm sure the crime rate is much lower in organized escort services, which is probably why they don't get f'ed with nearly as often.

And there's no drug use or voilence in pornography circles or related to it?

Not even close to the same level.

In the case of this governer, there was no alleged drug use, violence of any kind, rape, stealing, or pimps. It was ran by a 23 year old girl.

Right. Spitzer chose not to do coke with her or rough her up. I wonder if Harry the Hatchet would be as mild...? Sure, there's crime without prostitution...there's crime without riots, too. Does this mean that riots don't create more crime?

So you're saying legalized prostitution automatically will equal or cause drugs, violence, and just criminal activity in general, but pornography, alcohol, gambling and just plain sexual activity and desires as long as money doesn't directly exchange hands does not?

Money doesn't exchange hands in porn, alcohol or gambling? Regardless, if you're telling me that being a hooker is just as a dangerous job as being a croupier then I think I'm going to have to go ahead and sort of...disagree with you on that one.

Your arguments are pretty mainstream but don't seem to be really founded. I think criminals breed crime. But you're partially right, crime breeds crime. So if you criminalize something like prostitution you breed more crime. And that's an argument for why it should be legal.

Haha, ok man. So by that logic we should legalize EVERYTHING! With no laws, there's no criminals, right? Let's totally eliminate crime and just rid America of laws, shall we? So how do you suggest we get the ball rolling on this?

 

[bigjohnson]

I don't know. Maybe. However, comparing drinkin' a beer to giving some filthy hooker that you picked up in a back alley money for sex doesn't really work.

All your preconceived notions about this are pretty obvious. Why do you assume she's a filthy hooker? Why in a back alley? If it's legal, I mean?

Of course if beer were illegal then you'd have to worry about the quality and purity of that filthy brew you bought off the mangy vendor and you would have to watch your back in that same back alley while blinding yourself.

 

[ketostix]

You mean like the Yanomamo of south america? The ones where one dude has many wives? The ones that routinely raid their neighbors and "steal' more women?

Well even if that's truely the case with that one tribe. What about all the other numerous and bigger tribes that behave differently. Besides you said they take other women from neighbors. Well of course that would bring a surplus of women within the victorious tribe. It's not really the same thing as saying within a tribe there are families and realations yet one guy takes all the women. Polygamy leads to inbreeding and is counter-logical to sex. You can try, but this can't really be disputed.

anyways, I don't think this is off topic. It supports my OPINION as to why prostitution is illegal, because it is in direct opposition to the "woman as property" model that has existed in society for thousands of years.

I don't understand this logic. If a guy pays a woman for sex and then she's on her way, how in the hell is she more "property" to him than the one man/one woman marriage model?

 

[ketostix]

I don't know. Maybe. However, comparing drinkin' a beer to giving some filthy hooker that you picked up in a back alley money for sex doesn't really work. I'm sure the crime rate is much lower in organized escort services, which is probably why they don't get f'ed with nearly as often.



Not even close to the same level.



Right. Spitzer chose not to do coke with her or rough her up. I wonder if Harry the Hatchet would be as mild...? Sure, there's crime without prostitution...there's crime without riots, too. Does this mean that riots don't create more crime?



Money doesn't exchange hands in porn, alcohol or gambling? Regardless, if you're telling me that being a hooker is just as a dangerous job as being a croupier then I think I'm going to have to go ahead and sort of...disagree with you on that one.



Haha, ok man. So by that logic we should legalize EVERYTHING! With no laws, there's no criminals, right? Let's totally eliminate crime and just rid America of laws, shall we? So how do you suggest we get the ball rolling on this?

So you just make unsubstantiated claims regarding crime and illegal prostitution, let alone if it were legal, and that makes it true? What really is the difference between paying for sex directly and paying for it indirectly like usually is happening? Again, crime is crime, people are having sex anyway, sex is not crime. You're are just lumping the two together.

 

[ketostix]

Here it is straight from the horse's mouth. It doesn't sound that bad:

Q&A with a call girl
Spotlight is on prostitution in the wake of the Eliot Spitzer scandal
By Mike Celizic
TODAYShow.com contributor
updated 9:08 a.m. ET, Wed., March. 12, 2008

What is the life of a high-priced call girl really like? What sort of man is a typical client? How much does she make? To get the answers to these and other questions, TODAY sat down with a woman who was once one of the highest-paid escorts in New York. Here's a transcript of the interview:

Natalie McLennan, a native of Montreal, was a 24-year-old aspiring actress in 2004 when she started working for NY Confidential, a top-end escort service in New York City. Billed as “New York’s No. 1 escort,” she was featured on the cover of New York magazine in 2005, and her revelations in the accompanying article led prosecutors to arrest her for prostitution and money laundering, for which she spent 26 days in Rikers Island jail (“Three more days than Paris Hilton!” she notes) before accepting a plea bargain.

She is writing a memoir with a working title of “The Price” about her experiences during the year that she worked for the agency. It is scheduled for fall release by Phoenix Books.

Q: Why did you become an escort?

A: I was struggling, a starving actress, living in Manhattan, trying to succeed. The option was presented to me. I weighed the pros and the cons. I decided to try it once to see if it was something I could handle. It was, so I continued until it wasn’t right for me anymore.

Q: Why did you get out?

A: I got out because of people I was surrounded with at the agency didn’t have my best interests at heart. Because I had so much anxiety and panic attacks because I felt something might happen. I couldn’t sleep at night. I was right because the month after I left, the agency was shut down by the police. And also, my lifestyle wasn’t as healthy as it could have been.

Q: How much did you make?

A: An escort makes as much money as she can possibly make for herself. The average escort in New York City, I would estimate makes between $600 and $1,200 an hour. It can be a great living for a certain amount of time. It’s like Wall Street; you have to go in, make your money and get out. The most money I personally ever made as an escort was either $2,000 an hour with a two-hour minimum, or $29,000 for one weekend.

Q: Was it a good weekend?

A: Oh, my gosh, it was amazing. We went to this little private island in the Florida Keys. It was amazing. It was unbelievable. It was a fairy tale.


Q: How much does the service make?

A: The booker — whoever organizes the appointments, which is either over the telephone or the Internet — makes 10 percent off the top, then it’s split 50-50 between the girl and the agency.

Q: What did you carry in your purse?

A: I used to have this recurring nightmare where I’d be walking into this gorgeous hotel like the St. Regis, and all of a sudden I would slip and fall in my four-inch Manolos, go tumbling across the carpet, and with me would go the contents of my purse, which were as follows: $100 bills, condoms, lube, and then makeup, cell phone and all the other girl things. It was that moment of mortification of my life being exposed for the world to see, because a girl’s life is in her purse.


Q: You didn’t carry Mace or a Taser?

A: Absolutely not. I always lived in Manhattan, and Manhattan is one of the safest places in the world to be. There are so many people around, you couldn’t feel safer. It’s when you get into quiet, little neighborhoods when everything gets spooky.

Q: Did you ever feel threatened on a “date”?

A: No.

Q: How much did you spend on clothes?

A: I spent a lot of money on clothes, a lot. New York is a shopper’s dream, and I had unlimited funds for a long period of time. I bought tons of Manolos, Guccis. I bought everything I ever wanted to buy. It was great.

Q: Was there anything you wouldn’t do?

A: I’m not comfortable answering that, partly because my mom’s going to read this. But there were definitely boundaries.

Q: What would readers be surprised to learn about the business?

A: I don’t know if people are wanting to find sympathy in the client, but what was surprising to me was that most clients, most men, were really looking for companionship They were looking to connect with somebody and were looking for more than just a one-hour engagement.

Q: Who was your typical client?

A: The average client that I met in New York City was 25-45, well-dressed, well-groomed, very well-mannered, well-educated — a lot of times from New York; mostly Wall Street, lawyers, CEOs, businessmen, hedge fund managers. About half of them were single, about half of them were married.


The single guys were guys who were super-ambitious, tons of testosterone, very alpha-male types who work really, really hard and don’t necessarily have the free time to go out on dates.

A lot of the married guys, one of the things I used to believe at the time was that I was actually doing a service for these guys, because rather than having an affair with their secretary and potentially ruining their lives, they would come see me, satisfy their needs physically and some of the companionship they wanted — going on a date, having fun, relaxing — and being able to sustain their marriage. Apparently that’s what some people need.

Q: Did you think you were doing anything wrong?

A: I didn’t feel like I was doing anything evil. But you have to look at what are laws for? Are they to dictate what’s right and what’s wrong, or what is safe and what is not safe? Should laws be the moral compass for society? I do know that I didn’t feel like what I was doing was evil or malicious in any way.

Q: Did you ever have unprotected sex?

A: No. Some may do, but I never did.


Q: What does your mom think?

A: My mother loves me. I‘m her child. But we’ve had a lot of obstacles to overcome. It’s been a priority for us. We’re getting there, and she and I have a very close relationship and a very healthy relationship. She was there for me when nobody else was. She was there for me when I went to jail, and she was there for me after I got out of jail and helped me through a lot. I don’t know where I’d be without her. I feel so much compassion and empathy for girls who don’t have the support structures that I did.

Q: Is it hard for a call girl to have a social life?

A: I always had my circle of friends, and they pretty much stayed constant throughout. There were some of them with whom I could share the details of my life. There were some that I couldn’t because we didn’t have that element of friendship where we had unconditional love and nonjudgment. It was difficult because within the lifestyle, you’re pretty much always on call, so I couldn’t make commitments. I couldn’t make long-term plans because I might be called by the agency to meet with a client at any time. That’s something I don’t miss.

Q: That must be hard to explain to a date.

A: Yeah, it is.

Q: Did a client ever fall for you or vice versa?

A: Yeah, and it definitely went both ways. There was a certain element to my experience in the industry, where for some reason I chose not to separate myself emotionally or put up walls between myself and my experiences with my clients. I’m a hopeless romantic. I fall in love every day. Yeah, I definitely fell in love. I didn’t hold back from finding things about my clients that were really attractive and really endearing to me. As a result, I definitely developed feelings for them. But at the same time, you get over it, I guess.


Q: What do you think of the movie “Pretty Woman”?

A: I love that movie! “Pretty Woman” is almost a little bit scary, because I remember watching that movie when I was a child. It’s the world’s best fairy tale. Everybody wants to be swept off their feet by Richard Gere or someone like him and rescued from Wilshire Boulevard or wherever she was. It’s the Cinderella story revisited.

Q: Is the movie realistic?

A: It actually happens. There was a girl I knew who worked for the agency, who had a booking with a client, went on a date. They fell in love, and he whisked her off to London. They have a house in London, a house in Paris and a house in New York, and they’re getting married.

Isn’t that great?

 

[ketostix]

Q: Are people judgmental about what you did for a living?

A: That’s something I’ve had to deal with and come to terms with in my life. It lasted for one year of my life, although it had more long-lasting repercussions. It is a challenge to find the people around me who are willing to know me and love me for who I am and not adhere to what society says is right and wrong.

It does let you know the people who are really true people. It’s such a blessing. It really is beautiful. It’s a bonus. Some people go through their lives and never know who loves me for what I am. I know right away. Either you get it or you don’t. It’s a deal-breaker.

Q: What’s the biggest misconception about the business?

A: I don’t want to make it seem more glamorous than it is. I don’t want to candy-coat it, because there certainly is a dark side to the escort/call-girl industry that exists and destroys people’s lives. The common misconception is that that’s all it is – that’s it’s all glamorous or it’s all dirty, and it’s all of the above. It’s a well-rounded industry.


Q: Are clients expected to tip?

A: I never, ever demanded tips. I never encouraged or asked for tips. When you get to that price, it’s kind of ridiculous to ask for more. When you’re dealing with the lower end of the price spectrum, at that point, I think it is the norm, and I think it is good manners to tip a girl. If she’s booking for $200 an hour, she’s taking home less than $100.

Q: Any regrets?

A: I wish I‘d have had the wisdom that I have now when I was making the choices I was making then. I definitely would have done some things differently than I did then, because I experienced the consequences. But I still stand by my choices. I understand why I made them, I understand how I made them, I learned from them, and it’s all good.

© 2007 MSNBC Interactive
URL: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23589422/page/4/

 

[Da Realist]

Want to know why it's illegal? You can't tax it easily. Porn is organized since you have to film it and have a way to distribute a lot of it to make any money. A prostitute gets the money directly and can keep it anywhere she chooses while it may be a necessity to keep money from porn in a bank if it earns a lot of money. Its the same with weed; you can grow it, smoke it or sell it directly without anyone knowing.

 

[Wired for Sound]

So you just make unsubstantiated claims regarding crime and illegal prostitution, let alone if it were legal, and that makes it true?

What statement did I make that is unsubstantiated? I can back up everything I said with facts. The evidence and statistics is what makes it true, not because I said it.

What really is the difference between paying for sex directly and paying for it indirectly like usually is happening?

Not much. You're paying for sex either way. However there is obviously a huge difference between the average street pimp and a high-end escort madam. I don't care enough about prostitution to investigate WHY there is less violent crime in escort businesses, but since you made an entire pro-prostitution thread it sounds like that's a job for you.

Again, crime is crime, people are having sex anyway, sex is not crime. You're are just lumping the two together.

When did I do that? Having sex for free is one thing, paying for sex is another. I didn't mean to lump them together, but that should clear it up.

All your preconceived notions about this are pretty obvious. Why do you assume she's a filthy hooker? Why in a back alley? If it's legal, I mean?

I say "filthy" hooker because taking money for sex is...filthy. No way to church that one up. She spreads her legs for anybody that has a few bucks on them. Pretty simple. I say back alley because hookers seem to hang out in seedy areas regardless of the legality (see Las Vegas/Europe, etc.).

Of course if beer were illegal then you'd have to worry about the quality and purity of that filthy brew you bought off the mangy vendor and you would have to watch your back in that same back alley while blinding yourself.

Well, perhaps. However, do you see no difference between going to a stranger's house alone to have sex with them in exchange for cash and buying illegal substances off the street in terms of potential for violent crime? Personally, I've never even come CLOSE to being raped or murdered from buying a nickelbag off the dude at the bus stop. You?

 

[LostAndConfused]

Want to know why it's illegal? You can't tax it easily. Porn is organized since you have to film it and have a way to distribute a lot of it to make any money. A prostitute gets the money directly and can keep it anywhere she chooses while it may be a necessity to keep money from porn in a bank if it earns a lot of money. Its the same with weed; you can grow it, smoke it or sell it directly without anyone knowing.

Read this again, everybody. I'm a minor so I don't know much about this topic, but it makes sense to me...

...This is why Marijuana and alot of other drugs are illegal, while over-the-counter drugs which can do similar things as illegal drugs are legal.

It's all a money-making scheme when you get down to it.

Do you know HOW MANY "lose weight" scams there are?! The only legit one is Weight Watchers, and thats still a ripoff.

I say "filthy" hooker because taking money for sex is...filthy. No way to church that one up. She spreads her legs for anybody that has a few bucks on them. Pretty simple. I say back alley because hookers seem to hang out in seedy areas regardless of the legality (see Las Vegas/Europe, etc.).

Taking money for sex....most girls do this anyways.

When did I do that? Having sex for free is one thing, paying for sex is another. I didn't mean to lump them together, but that should clear it up.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. No matter what way you "pay" for sex, you are still paying for it. There is NO such thing as a free lunch.

 

[Maxtro]

She is cute but is she worth $4000 for a couple of hours?

BTW I think that prostitution can be taxed. There are many people in the US who are self-employed and they don't have the privilege of not paying taxes.

Honestly I can't see any reason why it should not be legalized and can see nothing bad as long as it's properly regulated.

 

[ketostix]

She is cute but is she worth $4000 for a couple of hours?

BTW I think that prostitution can be taxed. There are many people in the US who are self-employed and they don't have the privilege of not paying taxes.

Honestly I can't see any reason why it should not be legalized and can see nothing bad as long as it's properly regulated.

I agree and the argument that it's illegal because it can't be taxed was discussed and refuted earlier in this thread. Are they taxing it now? No, and it's going on anyway, and the cost of enforcement of illegal prostitution is more than they get in fines. If it were legal more people would be willing to report their business and it would be a similar matter to any other businesses taxation. That's why I say there's another reason it's illegal like the one I gave: because women want it to be illegal.

her

This is a better pic of her I think. $4000, sounds expensive, but we don't know what the time period was and I'm sure he was paying travel expenses and for a fancy hotel. edit: Well crap that link didn't go to the next picture of her but it's the next picture in the slide show.

 

[woods]

Want to know why it's illegal? You can't tax it easily. Porn is organized since you have to film it and have a way to distribute a lot of it to make any money. A prostitute gets the money directly and can keep it anywhere she chooses while it may be a necessity to keep money from porn in a bank if it earns a lot of money. Its the same with weed; you can grow it, smoke it or sell it directly without anyone knowing.

Why do you people think it can't be taxed easily? You don't think the legal brothels and legal licensed prostitutes get the shyt taxed out of them? Pull your heads out. The fact is, hookers provide a SERVICE, like hairdressers, tatoo artists, massuesses, window washers, lawyers, painters, accountants, palm readers, etc. They all get taxed, because they are regulated by the government for safety, and for taxation. Licensed hookers are on the books, and pay taxes, and are tested weekly for diseases etc. They are not back alley chickenheads. Why do you think prostitutes are any different than anyone else in a BUSINESS aspect?

The only reason it's illegal is in general, the population thinks it is immoral, and makes our country look bad, in their opinions. Porn is legal, because it is deemed "a constitutional right to free speech."

 

[STR8UP]

Amsterdam RULES.

 

[ketostix]

What statement did I make that is unsubstantiated? I can back up everything I said with facts. The evidence and statistics is what makes it true, not because I said it.

OK let's see your evidence and statistics that back up everything you said. I've all ready posted articles where "experts" who research said little is really known. And you're missing my point that but criminalizing something of course it will lead to more crime and even pimps than if it were legalized and regulated.

Not much. You're paying for sex either way. However there is obviously a huge difference between the average street pimp and a high-end escort madam. I don't care enough about prostitution to investigate WHY there is less violent crime in escort businesses, but since you made an entire pro-prostitution thread it sounds like that's a job for you.

Oh OK . I don't care about prostitution either, it's just a discussion. I'm more concerned about the way "Big Brother" operates in general and it's heavy hand where it doesn't belong.

When did I do that? Having sex for free is one thing, paying for sex is another. I didn't mean to lump them together, but that should clear it up.

No you made it clear that the moment a person directly pays for sex suddenly crime pops up everywhere. You were lumping crime in with payment for sex.

I say "filthy" hooker because taking money for sex is...filthy. No way to church that one up. She spreads her legs for anybody that has a few bucks on them. Pretty simple. I say back alley because hookers seem to hang out in seedy areas regardless of the legality (see Las Vegas/Europe, etc.).

There's plenty of "filthy" women about regardless of if they directly exchange money for sex. Besides, an escort doesn't have to sex with just anyone she doesn't want to. I'm not disputing whether they're filthy or not. I would agree they are, but my point is it shouldn't be illegal.

Well, perhaps. However, do you see no difference between going to a stranger's house alone to have sex with them in exchange for cash and buying illegal substances off the street in terms of potential for violent crime? Personally, I've never even come CLOSE to being raped or murdered from buying a nickelbag off the dude at the bus stop. You?

Well I don't see your point. No one's saying prostitution is risk free, only that the crime and risks are being overblown and that you're not establishing a link to crime and prostitution. But women are getting raped and murdered more often by someone they know and when there's no prostitution involved. There's indisputable much more crime surrounding drugs. Of course making them illegal could contribute to that too, but that's another argument all together. You're not a woman I presume, so I don't even know what the point is comparing yourself buying a bag to a woman hooking.