Why People Break Up

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Posting in another thread, I started thinking about this.

Why do relationships end? Why do people break up? Why is it usually the woman initiating the breakup?

The way I see it, there are THREE primary reasons that a relationship might end.

The first is lack of attraction. Pretty simple really. Either the guy gets tired of coming home to the same piece of ass every night and pulls the plug, or the woman begins to see the man as less of a "prize", or less of a "man" than she was attracted to in the beginning.

The second is divergence of goals. This is where the man figures out that he isn't going to marry the woman who he finds out values her career over family, or the woman who is in a hurry to settle down and realizes her current man isn't gonna be "that guy" (guilty as charged).

The third has to do with maintaining health, sanity, and dignity. This is where one of the partners turns out to be violent, mentally ill, or disrespects the other person in some way, such as by cheating.

The first two it is pretty clear on at least one person's part that "all good things must come to an end" or "the party's over". These are the breakups usually initiated by women. Either they see that their man isn't going to live up to her (and society's) expectations and MARRY her, or she has somehow lost the spark that attracted her to him in the first place.

The third is more likely to be initiated by a man. He doesn't necessarily WANT to do it, but realizes that he has to. Women are notorious for staying with men who physically and verbally abuse them, and are much more likely to forgive a cheating spouse than a man would be. Men who realize their value won't put up with any of this.

All of these help to prove my theory that male/female relations are ADVERSARIAL in nature.

Lots of people, men included, love to buy into this idea of "true love". They see happy couples snuggling in the park and remember what it was like to have experienced that themselves. Or they go home to a wife or girlfriend who says "I love you honey, and I always will" and they take comfort in that and often take for granted that she means what she says.

It's easy to buy into the fairy tale aspect of all of this, and to be honest it IS a wonderful feeling that I myself enjoy. But at the end of the day you have to understand that people (including your wife of ten years who swears she will love you always) have to look out for #1. They HAVE to. Otherwise our species would not survive. If we were not selfish creatures living in a (somewhat) cooperative world, we would not have survived for tens of thousands of years.

So next time your girl tells you how she loves you unconditionally, smile and take comfort in the thought of her resting in your arms at night, but understand that chances are things will change, and most likely you will be hearing the same line from another chick when this one is gone.

It is realizing and coming to terms with facts like these that help us to become better men.
 

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"i love you and always will."

I think they often mean this at the time when they really are caught up in the emotion of that.
 

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mrRuckus said:
"i love you and always will."

I think they often mean this at the time when they really are caught up in the emotion of that.
Very true.

But the point is, as a man, you need to be able to see it for what it is. You have to understand that it sounds SOOOO convincing, because she believes it herself! And you have to know that if she loses attraction for you, or she sees that her goals are not likely to be met through you, all of that goes right out the window.
 

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You forgot to leave out one very important and common reasons why many couples break up:


Some times relationship just end. Often, relationships just die a natural death.

This is important because many people will wonder what went wrong and have obsessive thoughts about what went wrong but many times there just is no answer. Was it because I wasn't adventurous enough? Was it because I wasn't smart enough? Was it because I din't have large enough income? Don't waste your time agnozing over questions that will probably never have an answer if the answer isn't something as obvious as cheating or something.
 

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Most relationships have an endpoint from the moment they are started.


Once your woman realizes that you will not be what she had envisioned, she will drop you like a hot potato.



Most relationships are doomed from the start, .....sad but true.....just roll with it
 

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I think this is a brilliant analysis and I agree with everything you said. But I partially disagree here:


But at the end of the day you have to understand that people (including your wife of ten years who swears she will love you always) have to look out for #1. They HAVE to. Otherwise our species would not survive. If we were not selfish creatures living in a (somewhat) cooperative world, we would not have survived for tens of thousands of years.
I think a person can be spoiled rotten and do things that aren't for their own good. I think option 3 the reason men typically break up is looking out for no.1, but the first one is usually a case of being too fickle. How many women think they can have it all and end up 30 or 40-something bitter and realizing they over-played their hand.
 

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People look out for #1 but they are doing it for the short term because they are either emotionally immature or just stupid. They'll react and do something because they're "sad" for a week.

This is why girls will dump you and then want you back. The thrill is over, the new guy they wanted to **** didn't want more than that, and now they are "long term" sad that they are alone so they now want comfortable old you back. They coulda just stayed with you to begin with and been long term just fine. But the one week of short term "high" of a new guy was worth it at the time, but not worth it in the long run.

I almost think the whole idea of LTR is stupid. Really, what is the chance that you will be happy with one person for decades, especially these days? Slim.


Some times relationship just end. Often, relationships just die a natural death.
This sh1t is annoying. There's always one damn thing that changes the entire dynamic of the relationship and had it never happened things would be dandy. It's almost like a switch is turned and the "magic" is gone. And there's no way to turn that switch back the other way, usually because women are fvcking stupid.
 

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mrRuckus said:
This sh1t is annoying. There's always one damn thing that changes the entire dynamic of the relationship and had it never happened things would be dandy. It's almost like a switch is turned and the "magic" is gone. And there's no way to turn that switch back the other way, usually because women are fvcking stupid.

This is not true. Many times there is really no one thing to point at that breaks the camel's back. Sometimes is just so dynamic that somehow people just don't feel it for each other anymore or one person doesn't feel it anymore.

"hey, it's not you, it's me."
 

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spanky said:
Some times relationship just end. Often, relationships just die a natural death.

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Perhaps this applies in a few cases.

BUT in the majority of breakups there is always a HUGE deal breaker (or more) at the core of the separation.

I think that STR8 said it well.

Here is a related story -- my brother called me yesterday and told me a story about his latest relationship difficulty. I have been talking with him over the past few months about the absolute necessity of placing respect from a woman over and above the supply of pvssy. He is now willing to place his VALUE of his own principles over sex.

Anyways, his g/f works as an admin officer at a local school. She has been there for ten years. My bro and she have lived together for a year and a half.

Apparently , in early November the faculty and admin staff are planning an end of semester slap-up dinner at a city restaurant.

MY brother has firm ideas about the quality of (or otherwise ) of current day education and has expressed his disgust at the "touch feely" elements which have replaced the drive for achievments, accomplishment and excellence in academia at the lower levels.. He agrees with me the education has been hijacked by the trendy left and diminished in the process.

So his G/f is now terrified that he will speak his mind at this dinner and make some of her colleagues uncomfortable in the process. SHe is now talking about NOT inviting him in case he expresses his opinons..

HE is pissed at her for being willing to cut him out of the invitation list just because she may feel uncomfortable if he speaks up.
She cannot see that not inviting him is insulting to him, disrespectful and disloyal to their LTR.
He is struggling with his next move.
I suggested that he reminds her that we are talking about him expressing his OPINION . We are not talking about drunken behavior or aggressive or abusing stuff-( he is a non drinker and a cool guy in public) we are talking about a guy's entitlement to speak his mind and express his personal beliefs.

I suspect this his g/f is not a woman of substance and she values the superficiality of other peoples approval above her LTR and her obligations and her loyalty to my brother.

Is this a dealbreaker? It may be for me in that situation when I think about it.

Any comments ?
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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spanky said:
Some times relationship just end. Often, relationships just die a natural death.
Which is essentially due to deteriorating attraction.

ketostix said:
I think a person can be spoiled rotten and do things that aren't for their own good. I think option 3 the reason men typically break up is looking out for no.1, but the first one is usually a case of being too fickle. How many women think they can have it all and end up 30 or 40-something bitter and realizing they over-played their hand.
Ah, but that is taking for granted that "fickle" is really a choice.

Yes, when they are young women can afford to be very choosy and move from man to man without much worry that she will be left high and dry.

Women are simply taking advantage of the power they have as a "buyer" when they are young. But I suppose the feminist agenda has served to brainwash women into thinking that they have the market cornered long after they have passed their use by date.
 

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jophil28 said:
Is this a dealbreaker? It may be for me in that situation when I think about it.

Any comments ?
The thing is, that there is a time and a place for everything.

Your brother may have strong and valid points regarding the way the education system has been diminished, but he is going to express his strong opinions in front of a group of people who are the backbone and supportive of this system and his g/f is part of the system.

This is just like the everyday matrix, if we truly confront everyday people who's lives we do not agree with then we would be pretty lonley people. There is a time and a place for this and also there is a way of doing it without sounding like a know it all with big ego who thump his nose down at people just because they don't agree with him.

His g/f would be in an awkward position because she has to put up with her coworkers in the near future and she might be ostracize from the group because of him.
 

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DJDamage said:
This is just like the everyday matrix, if we truly confront everyday people who's lives we do not agree with then we would be pretty lonley people. There is a time and a place for this and also there is a way of doing it without sounding like a know it all with big ego who thump his nose down at people just because they don't agree with him.

His g/f would be in an awkward position because she has to put up with her coworkers in the near future and she might be ostracize from the group because of him.
There is NO suggestion that he is going to do what you say. HE is a polite and respectable man BUT if he is asked for his opinion he will give it . HE is not one to go looking for a fight or cause trouble for it's own sake.
 

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STR8UP said:
Which is essentially due to deteriorating attraction.

Well, obviously... it goes without saying, really.... and why that attractions deteriorates many times don't have some big neon sign in front of it saying "here is why things withered away!" I never said that this phenomena is the majority of reason why relationship ends but it happens enough to realize that it does occur, especially for your own mental well-being.
 

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I made a way too long past in the other thread. I'll try and keep this short.

I disagree that relationship are adversarial in nature because adversarial in nature means equivolently that the girl next to you is essentially an enemy but they're not because of a need or an agenda. Like American and Saudi Arabia are only friends because America needs oil and Saudi needs money. I don't think our relations to them are that mechinical and cold. Women may have a number of differences, but I don't believe they're that different.

Your experiences have many examples of women just coldly droping a man and picking up another without a single sight of emotion to the man they should be so much harder than it looked. I have seen examples that they really do care and have an attachment that does take some time to let go.

I do not think we are by nature just rivals united by a common goals rather than a fellow person who may or may not be a good person to be around. I'm not going as far to say relationship is a symbiotic cooperative relationship, but cooperative does not mean it have to be true everlasting love. Deal breaker can be just a deal breaker, end of an alliance for it is not satisfactory enough or a problem. A girl going cold in breaking up doesn't have to mean we are by nature adversial, but just the girl only see men as tools only, possible relationships of utility.
 

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wow thats a alot of words to DANCE AROUND the simple fact that the human organism is not naturally manogamous and the concept of exclusive relationships is a control tool of organized civilized society...
 

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fuzzx said:
this forum is starting to foster a retreat for bitterness and resentment towards women. I am a little worried that this forum is starting to take on too many philosophical feminazi characteristics.
As long as I've been around, which seems to be approximately the same time as you have, it has always been like this. First you say "hey, this is a cool site. " It seems like the boys' locker room at first but after the honeymoon is over, you really start to see a whole lot of bitter men angry because they can't have or keep the chics that they want. It sort of like a reverse feministic attitude.

Women are not the enemy, people. Just guard yourself and play the game where you are benefit from it.
 

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fuzzx said:
Absolutely... there are just a lot of bitter, resentful people on the forums right now. Get over it for christ sake, women are not out to get you. Women are not horrible creatures that want to entrap you. Having children and becoming a father is a NORMAL part of life for a man. Being Pooker Pan your whole life is in my mind, terribly unsatisfying and I believe detrimental to your health and society's. YOU would not be here discussing this if your dad hadn't bent your mom over for a quickie with the intent to pro-create. In a lot of ways, contraception has ****ed up our society.

This forum is starting to foster a retreat for bitterness and resentment towards women. I am a little worried that this forum is starting to take on too many philosophical feminazi characteristics.

women are bad
women are stupid
women cheat
women want to take your money
women are dumber than men
women only go for the alpha male

If you enter into the relationship competitively, you can expect a competitive partner.
Thank God there are a few sane people on this board.

I think by "women" most of the guys here mean the hottest 19yo chicks you see at nightclubs. Of course they're stuck up mean *****es, I mean, they can AFFORD to be and most have never had any reason to develop character.
 

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"Being Pooker Pan your whole life is in my mind, terribly unsatisfying and I believe detrimental to your health and society's."

If you want the white picket fence package deal complete with screaming brats and government contract turning over half your income to a woman be our guest.

If thats what gets you off thats fine and dandy and it is a normal way of being but the point you are missing is it is simply one of many normal ways of being.

Living a player life of just hittin it and quittin it is completely valid and many MANY people get immense satisfaction from that kind of life just like you will get immense satisfaction from changing sh!tty diapers and listening to your wife b!tch that its time for you to take out the garbage and withhold sex to control you and make you do what she wants.

So yeah turn off the Oprah re-runs for a second and maybe you'll come to the realization that the player life just like the married life is a completely valid and normal way to live.

The player life and learning how to get laid as often as possible is what this forum I'd argue is supposed to be about.

Thats why its named after the ultimate player character in fiction Don Juan.

This forum is not about building relationships or marriage as its primary message.

The primary message is teaching guys how to get laid.

You want a forum thats all about building relationships and marriage primarily go sign up at Loveshack.org.
 

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KontrollerX said:
"The player life and learning how to get laid as often as possible is what this forum I'd argue is supposed to be about.

Thats why its named after the ultimate player character in fiction Don Juan.

This forum is not about building relationships or marriage as its primary message.

The primary message is teaching guys how to get laid.

You want a forum thats all about building relationships and marriage primarily go sign up at Loveshack.org.



You raise a valid point here which is the primary purpose of the site and you are mostly right. This site is also about getting the woman that you want for whatever reason.


There is one thing that people have to realize here, if you think you are going to be some 40 or 50-year-old -something dude laying chics left and right like you are 19, you are disillusioned. Only rare guys get to do this and they usually are pretty successful. The top 5% of society will get to do stuff the bottom 95% can't and not everyone can achieve the top 5 or else there would be no such thing as the top 5%. You have to be a realist.


So realistically, your average poster here will never be pulling the chics in like the very small percentage of guys around here or out in society will. That's okay. As long as you can get the woman that you really want to screw or date, that is not a horrible thing. Many guys don't get laid at all.
 
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