Why Number Closing and being a "Challenge" 90% of the Time is Completely Pointless

[DefiantNature]

EDIT : Got banned for 60 days so i'm deleting this, would have made some great conversations and was planning on replying to everyone and getting into a good discussion and helping other members out with real advice from experience, not rehashes from (Insert outdated seduction book here.)

I might have even posted some LR's from this past month and started a personal journal for the public to see, but i'll just keep that to myself.

Good luck out there Guys.

 

[DefiantNature]

Part 2

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[SharinganUser]

That was a lot of talk just to say that if you want something, just go for it.

 

[DefiantNature]

That was a lot of talk just to say that if you want something, just go for it.

"Just going for it" can mean something completely different individually.

For some people "just going for it" can mean you're going to walk up and be a faggot.

To others, "Just going for it" means that you're going to be aggressive and test the waters.

Let me ask you something... what does Nike mean with their catchphrase "Just do it"? Do you know? k cool thanks for reading but you're a donkey.

I tried my best to draw a line between the two but am not in the mood to get into specific details which would only apply to ME. They never matter anyways and are different for every person.

 

[SharinganUser]

"Just going for it" can mean something completely different individually.

For some people "just going for it" can mean you're going to walk up and be a faggot.

To others, "Just going for it" means that you're going to be aggressive and test the waters.

Let me ask you something... what does Nike mean with their catchphrase "Just do it"? Do you know? k cool thanks for reading but you're a donkey.

I tried my best to draw a line between the two but am too lazy to get into specific details. They never matter anyways and are different for every person.

Obviously most guys are going to figure out eventually that going up to a girl and acting like a fag is not the best approach. Sorry it took you ten years.

What does Nike mean by "Just do it?" That's pretty obvious, it means "Just do it." It's meaning is pretty cut and dry.

Do you know what "challenging" means? It isn't simply about how available you are to her, but also has to do with how much you agree with her views, how much you let her affect you, how much you open up to her, ect... It has nothing to do with acting like James Bond or any other fictional character.

I tried my best to draw a line between the two but am not in the mood to get into specific details *EDIT which would only apply to ME.*EDIT* They never matter anyways and are different for every person.

So the details don't matter, and they only apply to you?

If you didn't want to go into detail then why did you write a 2 post article on how to approach and why being a challenge is bad and erroneously associating it with playing james bond and trying to laugh your way into a girls pants?

 

[SharinganUser]

You can't "Challenge" her pants off

You can't "Talk" her pants off

You can't "Laugh" her pants off.

No one, in their right mind has ever said that you could do any of those things. You are arguing against a point that no one is making.

 

[Sofomore]

Dude SharinganUser chill out. If you have nothing positive to say then keep it to yourself. I swear people on this message board are fvcking angry for no reason these days.

I liked the post DN. I believe a lot of us here are trying to develop that sort of confidence.

How did you start out? I would say I am comfortable around new women, just when they show a sign of being b!tchy I tell myself its not worth the time and move on. I guess getting rejected over and over is going to be the way to build confidence.

 

[DefiantNature]

What does Nike mean by "Just do it?" That's pretty obvious, it means "Just do it." It's meaning is pretty cut and dry.

LOL, that's your retort to "Just do it?" That can mean anything from "I'm going to go to church" to "I feel like sacrificing an animal in the name of satan"

You said that i had typed out a lot of words to just say "Just go for it"

Which can mean.... ANYTHING. Right? Which is what you were implying that my original point was. Which makes absolutely no sense. Which is why you're a donkey.

the "James bond" was a reference, again HARDLY near my point again.

I partially agree with you on your viewpoint of what "Challenging" means. However, if you look at most of the posts here that is hardly what other people are implying as well.

HOWEVER, once again when you're running aggressive you don't think about those things. This isn't "coffee date" time buddy. You're missing it again......

I don't think you fully comprehend the point i was getting across in the first place, hence the reason why up to this point you haven't made ANY sense.

anyways, this is a perfect place to implement your theory of simplicity.

So you can choose to replace this with.

You're a donkey You're a donkey You're a donkey You're a donkey You're a donkey

I GUESS I COULD'VE JUST SAID THAT RIGHT? LOL!!!

 

[DefiantNature]

Dude SharinganUser chill out. If you have nothing positive to say then keep it to yourself. I swear people on this message board are fvcking angry for no reason these days.

I liked the post DN. I believe a lot of us here are trying to develop that sort of confidence.

How did you start out? I would say I am comfortable around new women, just when they show a sign of being b!tchy I tell myself its not worth the time and move on. I guess getting rejected over and over is going to be the way to build confidence.

Thanks man,

I started out on this board actually. Religiously reading the DJ bible until i damn near memorized it. The general concepts and ANYTHING written by Pook is just gold, and I DID get laid, but like i said in the post it was very slow and to be honest wasn't any different than if you got a normal cool guy and sent him out every day to talk to as many women as possible.

There were many times in high school when I could have taken a girl straight to a bathroom (She literally told me this) but decided to "Play it cool" instead. Only to find out a week later she got a boyfriend. Many many times where If i had put the games aside it would have worked out much better.

Ehh.. it's nothing to brag about but that "confidence" has just changed the mundane, usual and the average to the exciting, and the unpredictable.

Maybe it's just me but I get a real rush when I'm really in the zone and hit that perfect stride after maybe the first 2-3 warmup approaches and I get the exact girl i wanted in the place and go on a crazy rollercoaster ride which ends up in passionate sex with a complete stranger.

I feel the same way about MOST *****y girls. After a while you can differentiate which ones are *****y because that's just their ugly personality, or which ones are *****y because they are very attractive and that is just their natural filter. I feel that this "style" CUTS right through that filter.

I've probably been rejected over 20,000 times. Sometimes I would be in a venue and literally talk to every girl in that place and get rejected for the entire night.

 

[SharinganUser]

LOL, that's your retort to "Just do it?" That can mean anything from "I'm going to go to church" to "I feel like sacrificing an animal in the name of satan"

Wow you really are mental. If you say you are going to church, it means that you are going to a place of worship. That is all it means. What one does in said church is a completely different matter. When you read a stop sign, do you think it just means stop? Or do you think that means you should stop, snort coke and have bottle of whiskey?

When you want to go for a kiss with a girl, and you just go for it, it doesn't mean that turn around and leave the room, it also doesn't mean that you be a fag and ask her for the kiss. You just lean in and do it. If you read the situation right, she'll reciprocate. If not then she won't.

It's not rocket science.

This isn't "coffee date" time buddy. You're missing it again......

Your reading comprehension is far worse than I originally thought. Sorry for all the big words, I'll simplify it for you. You are dumb. I never said anything about any "coffee dates."

You're a donkey You're a donkey You're a donkey You're a donkey You're a donkey

I GUESS I COULD'VE JUST SAID THAT RIGHT? LOL!!!

I might have been offended by this in grade 5. I forget, is this the part where I say "I know you are but what am I?"

 

[DefiantNature]

Wow you really are mental. If you say you are going to church, it means that you are going to a place of worship. That is all it means. What one does in said church is a completely different matter. When you read a stop sign, do you think it just means stop? Or do you think that means you should stop, snort coke and have bottle of whiskey?

When you want to go for a kiss with a girl, and you just go for it, it doesn't mean that turn around and leave the room, it also doesn't mean that you be a fag and ask her for the kiss. You just lean in and do it. If you read the situation right, she'll reciprocate. If not then she won't.

It's not rocket science.



I might have been offended by this in grade 5. I forget, is this the part where I say "I know you are but what am I?"

DO IT and STOP are different

DO IT can mean ANYTHING

STOP specifically means STOP

Do i really have to explain this again?

ONCE AGAIN you're not making any sense. You're no longer debating, you're now resorting to pointing out differences in personality as an argument. Ie. Calling me "Mental" for my choice in comparisons.

YOu didn't make sense the first time around, and you're not making sense now. Just please leave my thread and be a douchebag somewhere else. I'm trying to help people like this site helped me a long long time ago.

Then again I did expect a little flame war anyways :-D.

This is no longer fun though because you're not making sense. You're just mudding up my thread.

SHoo!!

 

[SamTheHobit]

What style of game works for you doesn't mean it will work for another. Every one has to develop there own unique style.

 

[SharinganUser]

DO IT and STOP are different

DO IT can mean ANYTHING

STOP specifically means STOP

Do i really have to explain this again?

ONCE AGAIN you're not making any sense. You're no longer debating, you're now resorting to pointing out differences in personality as an argument. Ie. Calling me "Mental" for my choice in comparisons.

Because you weren't making valid comparisons. You are trying to say that "Stop" only means stop, but "Do it" means "Do it, and act like a queer." You are adding a stipulation that is unnecessary.

YOu didn't make sense the first time around, and you're not making sense now. Just please leave my thread and be a douchebag somewhere else. I'm trying to help people like this site helped me a long long time ago.

Then again I did expect a little flame war anyways :-D.

What exactly doesn't make sense about "if you want something, just go for it" to you?

This is no longer fun though because you're not making sense. You're just mudding up my thread.

SHoo!!

You just don't want me to make sense.

 

[DefiantNature]

You just don't want me to make sense.

Ok you're right, every post in this entire forum should say "Just do it" and start wearing nike 6.0's Please leave my thread. thanks.

 

[DefiantNature]

What style of game works for you doesn't mean it will work for another. Every one has to develop there own unique style.

Definately agreed,

This is the reason why i didn't name the post "Why my style is better"

It was more of a "Why you should stop wasting your time" type deal. I feel that no matter what the "style", the ability to close the deal and close it quickly is a bread and butter of all "styles"

 

[Chamber36]

This may be exactly the post I needed to read. I feel like I've been number closing too many women and not knowing who to text and when.

The post, in my opinion, points out the significance of having the balls to take care of business before it gets out of hand, basically. When you've got to pay a bill you're not supposed to wait days, weeks or months. You just pay that bill and clear your mind for whatever's next, so you don't have to dwell on it.

Also I think the thread touches on the just do it vs be a challenge debate. Sometimes people decide to be a challenge when in reality they need to forget about their ego and just go for whatever opportunity they have.

Personally I'm glad he emphasised that we as men have to "balance on that razor sharp "Edge" of her resistance. ". The metaphor I use is tightrope walking. I always felt that the tightrope would eventually broaden and turn into a road. I'm glad to see a veteran DJ explain that it's all a balancing act in the end. Thing's don't come easy.

To some balancing on the edge of her resistance would equate to being a challenge. This thread touches on the difference between the two, imho.

I guess it means pushing and pushing as far as you can without making the house of cards collapse in on itself.

My thoughts are scattered and vague, maybe someone could put this into a more comprehensible and digestible concept.

It's like you have to bring women to the tipping point, where they're just about to lose control, but they decide to keep their composure. What they want is novelty really, and to feel desired.

 

[zekko]

I swear people on this message board are fvcking angry for no reason these days.

Most of them are angry about women, I think.

As for the original post, to be able to get the same night lay consistently, to bang a total stranger in seven minutes is considered the pinnacle of "game" by most. You can't really improve beyond that.

I guess for myself, at my age, I don't have that feeling of urgency that I would need to put this into practice. The feeling of urgency that I must bang some stranger tonight. What if she's some nasty sloppy slvt? I remember doing this sort of thing when I was younger, and not being entirely comfortable with it. I'm honestly more content in a good LTR. But to each his own.

One thing I do like about DefiantNature, he thinks for himself. He dismisses a lot of DJ theory as BS. Maybe it might work for someone else, but he has deemed a large part of it as useless to him. Moved beyond it, in many ways. Formed his own method and style. No one should be accepting all this stuff lock, stock, and barrel. The fact that so many guys are out all doing the same copycat stuff is what makes so much of it so lame.

 

[SharinganUser]

Hey man, I get what you are saying. I was just in a bad mood today, sick with a cold. Just yanking your chain is all.

 

[Pimp-sicle]

OP you made some good points in this thread and I think its part of the journey as you continually evolve in understanding game. Most guys never get to that level simply because they aren't in the field for long enough before they get married to some average sea monkey and spend the rest of their lives in misery.

You have to understand that there are different levels of game. While I completely agree that getting numbers, waiting 3 days before you call etc is completely pointless; that doesn't even begin to define what "challenge" is in regards to women.

Furthermore most of the members on this forum are guys who are just learning about game, AFC's, people living in the matrix Disney movies.

Your post could have also been titled Direct vs Indirect Game. There are merits for both and in my opinion it depends on the situation when it comes to which might work best.

Bottom line though, I'm with you on this; my success with getting women in bed went through the roof when I cut the rookie game tactics and went in with killer confidence and took what I wanted.







PIMP

 

[synergy1]

I don't think the idea is to 'be a challenge' in a literal sense. Don't ignore a phone call, or cancel a date based on some belief that being hard to get will up your odds. Thats rude. Rather, have enough of a life so that making time can be challenging. I am not going to cancel my hobbies, social outings or work to meet up with a women. In the past month, I have been a challenge to get out, and not really by my own admission. This has been a path I opted to take.

The number closing thing is pretty accurate it seems, especially these days when women ( and guys alike) have tons of attention on their smart phones. You are batting a lower percentage than probably 10 years ago when you get a phone number today. unless you get something good that night, than it might be difficult to close w/ said number. However, you have to use the increased number of phone digits to play the field more. I have been doing this lately, and have had a little success - some call back, most do not.

As for the original post, to be able to get the same night lay consistently, to bang a total stranger in seven minutes is considered the pinnacle of "game" by most. You can't really improve beyond that.

Heh not so sure about that. I got a girl in september that amount of time ( or less), but I hardly feel even close to on top of my game. As of late, I have felt stagnant if anything. Point of the reply isn't to brag, but to be clear that there isn't a pinnacle to these sort of things. I used to think my peak in sports was back in college when I would be on winning teams, but years later I am 10 times better and continuing to find new heights. Some days, I play like **** and feel like i also find new lows. Such is how game is...