why no sex?

DJHoolahoop

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hey guys,

i've hung out with this girl now a few times and when we make out (i go in for kiss 90% and she goes in for the remaining 10%) she initiates the french kissing. only when i build anticipation and start running my hand on her lower leg, she moves it back up. or holds my hand. i had waited for a while before trying it again and again the same thing happens.

does she just not want it? or does she just not want to move on to that right away? or is she just simply interested in making out.

btw, the make out sessions have been getting more intense with each time we make out.

usually i can move on to other things pretty quickly with girls, but this one appears to be giving me problems.
 

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and why's that? cuz i don't grope her like i "rented" her for the night? or because i enjoy elevation and building tension?
 

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you know she sounds like shes a nice girl trying to take things one step at a time. perhaps this is the step she is most comfortable with at the moment.

im gonna tell you another thing, with us, we know with the first kiss if we are ever gonna give you a shot. if shes still around and still kissing, then she is still interested in you.
 

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Fvck that noise, By date 3 you should be up to your nuts in this chicks guts, if not you NEXT it. This GOLDEN rule does not bend.

Never EVER let a bird pretend her cvnt is sacred or special or worth waiting for.

We dont walk on eggshells or pander to her flights of fantasy thinking shes a snowflake.

No snatch? No Attention from this Legend, its that simple.
Learn it Live it Love it.

Btw just on a side note the whole waiting thing doesnt exist between her and the 2 percenters. http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=106191
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

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If you were spinning more plates, you'd have never started this thread. Why no sex? Because you're investing all of your effort into one girl. Work 3-4 girls at a time and you'll be 3 to 4 times more likely to hit it.
 

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I have to agree.

You need to back the hell off.

Your giving to much of yourself - and don't buy in to this good girl BS.

Don't pick up a few phone calls - don't return a phone call or two - and at some point be busy on the weekend.....
 

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she initiates the french kissing. . . . . btw, the make out sessions have been getting more intense with each time we make out.
That's a green flag. Some guys say if you're not bangin by the 3rd date, your wasting your time. But I have gotten laid after 3 months with a shy inexperienced girl. (Spinning other plates the whole time, of course.)

My experience says: be making out by the 3rd date, or give up because you're going nowhere.

Sex might take longer, so I see no reason to give up quite yet. She's obviously attracted to you.

Don't pick up a few phone calls - don't return a phone call or two - and at some point be busy on the weekend.....
Sound advice there.
 

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Fvck that noise, By date 3 you should be up to your nuts in this chicks guts, if not you NEXT it. This GOLDEN rule does not bend.

Never EVER let a bird pretend her cvnt is sacred or special or worth waiting for.

We dont walk on eggshells or pander to her flights of fantasy thinking shes a snowflake.

No snatch? No Attention from this Legend, its that simple.
Learn it Live it Love it.

Btw just on a side note the whole waiting thing doesnt exist between her and the 2 percenters. http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=106191

I generally always agree with your posts, but I'd have to say I don't completely agree with your points in this one. Yes its entirely ridiculous that some women feel like their pu$$y is some long lost bible that must be unlocked and worshipped after many months of following. And yes, women definitely use their pu$$y as a means to control and gain power in nearly every given situation. But to say that you should NEXT a girl after 3 dates if you haven't "gutted her" is just flat out retarded.

We should also consider the fact that many women would definitely be willing to fuvk rather quickly, but the guy had NO CLUE in how to seduce her and make her horny. Along with the fact that most women have their own "slvt wars" within their mind controlling what their body wants to do, from what they ulitmately will do. Meaning if a girl really likes a guy she generally will make him wait if she see's some potential for a LTR. If a girl and a guy meet, fuvk, then decide to start dating, chances are both parties never really saw any long term potential there. The guy wouldn't respect the girl for giving it up so easily and the girl would either feel like a slvt or not trust the guy, thinking that he does this to other women all the time. If your ultimate goal in life is just to fuvk and never find a lasting relationship, then I guess I could see where you were coming from here.


Hoopla: You didn't mention how many times you have went out with this girl?
And as I said above, you might not know how to get this girl's engine running. Read up on how to get her horny and you should be fuvking her sooner rather than later. If this has been going on for a a few months, then something's definitely not right. Clarify that for us, so we can give you better advice.




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alright. thanks for some sound advice here guys.

pimp-sicle,

i have seen her 3 times in the past 3 weeks. although our plans fell through today and i'm not impressed with that.

anways, i've been thinking about spinning more and for the most part i'm out doing my thing a lot of the time anyways. i don't give her nearly as much attention as the other guys she hangs out with do and every time she's trying to get my attention, i don't really pay much attention even when i "acknowledge" her. i can't give her my undivided attention all the time.

then again i've really been interested in going to this party a girl i know is having and i'm pretty sure that one of her friends that likes me will be there. i've been interested in hitting that too, so i'll follow the advice of what someone else said and will simply not call that other girl anymore or if i do answer the phone and its her, that i'll tell her i don't have time to talk to her right then and hang up. i do have more important things to do than hear what she DIDN'T end up doing with me last night.

oh and btw phyzzle, i don't spin plates, i spin vinyl :crackup:
 

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I can't give her my undivided attention all the time.
Ka CHING! That's the attitude you need.

If she pulls away from smooching you, don't bother calling her. But until then, surely there's a free night a week to spend on a chick who's already willing to make out with you.

Hope is far from lost.

oh and btw phyzzle, i don't spin plates, i spin vinyl
Ah, So you're a D.J., not just a DJ! I'm a drum n' bass guy myself. Gotcha.
 

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Pimp-sicle said:
I generally always agree with your posts, but I'd have to say I don't completely agree with your points in this one. Yes its entirely ridiculous that some women feel like their pu$$y is some long lost bible that must be unlocked and worshipped after many months of following. And yes, women definitely use their pu$$y as a means to control and gain power in nearly every given situation. But to say that you should NEXT a girl after 3 dates if you haven't "gutted her" is just flat out retarded.

We should also consider the fact that many women would definitely be willing to fuvk rather quickly, but the guy had NO CLUE in how to seduce her and make her horny. Along with the fact that most women have their own "slvt wars" within their mind controlling what their body wants to do, from what they ulitmately will do. Meaning if a girl really likes a guy she generally will make him wait if she see's some potential for a LTR. If a girl and a guy meet, fuvk, then decide to start dating, chances are both parties never really saw any long term potential there. The guy wouldn't respect the girl for giving it up so easily and the girl would either feel like a slvt or not trust the guy, thinking that he does this to other women all the time. If your ultimate goal in life is just to fuvk and never find a lasting relationship, then I guess I could see where you were coming from here.
Your talking about a side of a womans reality that just doesnt exist for guys who she perceives as scarce.

The "but lets take this slow" or whatever internal "slvt war" she's (hint there) having has a special place in her heart ONLY for AFC's or guys who she knows dont fully get it, yeah sure theyre more often than not the long term providers she may hook but thats neither here nor there, its not like they can be anything else. The types of guys she knows have this mentality
The guy wouldn't respect the girl for giving it up so easily
And as for LTR potential, As an AFC I fvcked my 6 year LTR on the first hookup and not long after a 3 year LTR on the 2nd hookup, I'm living proof that theory doesnt really hold any water. So if I "lucked out" as an AFC and somehow let the b!tch's perceive me as scarce I'm betting now I have a decent grasp of whats up that I can have her thinking I'm LTR material alot easier if inclined .
 

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Agree with Titty-Man. If I wasn't in her panties by the third attempt I'd get bored and move on - but if you know what you are doing you never have to wait that long. Occasionally a woman's anti-sl*t defences will win out, especially if they think you're a 'keeper', but by opportunity no. 2 they can safely release their inner slut.

If you're not ploughing that field by date three you're doing something wrong. Or maybe every girl I've been with in the last twenty years was a ho.
 

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Spinning plates aside (which you should be doing more of), you have every right as a man to not to rationalize, apologize, or make excuses for that which you desire (in this case, sex.) Your desires are what they are.

It's perfectly reasonable for you to eject if any woman in your life won't participate in your reality. That's where so many men go wrong. They get lulled into playing along with some chick's reality that's not congruent with their own desires / goals / etc. As a man, you definitely can make your own rules.
 

Channel your excited feelings into positive thoughts and behaviors. You will attract women by being enthusiastic, radiating energy, and becoming someone who is fun to be around.

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Why is everyone avoiding the obvious?


Maybe the OP needs to step up his kissing and caressing abilities.

Look at some point you'll have to realise that men and women are not the same and that they respond to different stimuli. Men are very visual, you know this and I know this. As for women, you need to seduce their senses; get inside their head.

There is so much garbage all over the place saying that women need X amount of time for foreplay and that it takes X amount of time for them to be ready to orgasm and blah blah blah.

NO, it's not true. If you know how and where to touch, and how to create lustful kisses, you will close more often.


Here is what I suggest.

1. The op went 90% in for the kiss and the girl 10%. That's ok, but you're the one putting the effort in for the kiss. In order to make her desire you more, you have to make it fell less like you're going after her kiss and more like she's coming after yours. When you start kissing, start moving your head back. *Don't do it too fast, otherwise she'll think you're done kissing.* Slow retraction while she follows you over to "your" side.

Also, don't think that french kissing is getting her ready. You need to mix it up. Suck on some lip, lick her lips, give small soft kisses and such. You know what I'm talking about. Once the tongue goes in her mouth, it shouldn't stay there. And if she's not putting her tongue in your mouth as well, then you need to let her do some of the kissing. A good french kiss should be like a conversation between the tongues. Each tongue should get to say something.

2. Touching: Why are you touching her leg? That's too direct. Like I said, you have to seduce a woman's senses, not assault them. See, if you straight for a very sexual area, it puts the girl in defense mode thinking that you're trying to get her into the sack (which you are). Touch her neck, behind her ears, move down her back and then to her side (just underneath her armpit) and just barely graze the side of her breast while moving down to her waist until you can rest one of your hands just between the small of her back and the top of her ass. Don't forget that you have TWO hands. If you're not coordinated enough to use both at the same time, just do one, but the other hand should start at the waist and move up around the back and through the hair (gently, don't snag her hair).

3. THEN you can touch her legs. And what's even better is if she holds your hand, lift it up to where your face is and kiss her fingers. And lastly, if you want, bring your hands down again and lift her up and wrap her legs around your waist whlie kissing. When you lift a girl she feels thin and she feels sexy. Yes, it's true. And if she feels sexy, and you add up all the other stuff, you can have her begging.


Oh also a side effect of doing this is that if you do start taking clothes off, keep touching her body everywhere, and then when you go for the kill, she'll go off almost immediately (and this breaks the rule that it takes a woman a long time to climax).

If you can get inside a woman's head, it's done. But you can't make her feel like you're going for gold. You have to arouse her by appealing to her sensuality.
 

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man the last guy posted something that soudns SO much like what i do and did end up happening the last time we hung out.

but i don't see that girl often, maybe once a week. so now i've been wondering about girls in general. and how my being busy and unavailable helps me as opposed to simmering down interest or making it easier for her to find some other guy to party with as much as she does. the funny thing is, is that i do party. just not with her.

so because this has been happening with multiple girls lately, i'm curious to know how any of that helps me as opposed to it benefiting the other guys hanging around them that are available and want to hang out with those girls all the time. i want to hang out with these girls a lot too, but my life comes first. so how do i come out on top of this when all these other clowns will give everything to be with her?
 

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DJHoolahoop said:
man the last guy posted something that soudns SO much like what i do and did end up happening the last time we hung out.

but i don't see that girl often, maybe once a week. so now i've been wondering about girls in general. and how my being busy and unavailable helps me as opposed to simmering down interest or making it easier for her to find some other guy to party with as much as she does. the funny thing is, is that i do party. just not with her.

so because this has been happening with multiple girls lately, i'm curious to know how any of that helps me as opposed to it benefiting the other guys hanging around them that are available and want to hang out with those girls all the time. i want to hang out with these girls a lot too, but my life comes first. so how do i come out on top of this when all these other clowns will give everything to be with her?

Well, girls love attention, we all know that. If you're not around enough, then they'll get attention from someone else. That's why girls are tricky. If you give them too much attention, they leave. If you don't give them enough attention, they leave. lol It's tough to find that balance huh?
 
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