Why Men Have Given Up On Dating Women

[Manure Spherian]

I wonder if people that aren't getting what they want out of life ever get out of their comfort zone and improve their situation?
Most of it comes down to lack of accountability.

When I first started dating I encountered many of the same issues and had some of the same complaints, but I chose to fix my situation instead of joining a group of complainers that sucked as bad as I did.

If you don’t mind me asking, what did you have to work on?

For me, as I’ve stated, it was my propensity to depression, false beliefs, and low self-image.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I think fewer men have viable social circles than they once did.

As I’ve said before, in many cases, womanlessness is like a comorbidity, as it is usually linked with no social connections.

I know a fair share of people, and not one couple amongst them started from the man cold approaching… or warm approaching either!

 

[The Duke]

If you don’t mind me asking, what did you have to work on?

For me, as I’ve stated, it was my propensity to depression, false beliefs, and low self-image.

Lots! The chic I lost my virginity to in highschool, I married. So I didn't know anything. I was with the same chic for 15yrs. After I jumped into the dating pool I quickly realized I had no idea what I was doing.

-I didn't understand how to seduce women.
-Didn't know how to dress.
-I was naive.
-Most of my first dates didn't turn into 2nd dates.
-I wasn't a big socializer so I really didn't know what to talk about on first dates.
-I went out with way too many girls that just wanted a free meal/drinks.
-I attracted a lot of crazy girls.
-I got frustrated because women were flakey, wouldn't follow thru, cancel at the last minute, or would ghost you.
-Going out to bars looking for women wasn't very successful because I wasn't that good at it so it got really frustrating.
-I cared too much, too soon. I wasnt beta, but definitely too much of a nice guy.

I was so pathetic that the first attractive girl I ever went out with after my divorce I brought roses, picked her up, took her to a nice steak place for dinner/drinks, then took her to a concert where I had box suite tickets. That chic strung me along for 2months afterwards. I finally got her to agree to a second date and when I went to pick her up she wasn't even home.

I thank that wh0re for all the b.s. she put me thru. I followed her on social media for several years and wintessed all the dudes she went thru. She was a groupie to one of the NASCAR drivers when he came to town. I won't mention his name but she would stay in his bus at the track all weekend.

And here I thought she was something special. lol

 

[Manure Spherian]

Lots! The chic I lost my virginity to in highschool, I married. So I didn't know anything. I was with the same chic for 15yrs. After I jumped into the dating pool I quickly realized I had no idea what I was doing.

-I didn't understand how to seduce women.
-Didn't know how to dress.
-Most of my first dates didn't turn into 2nd dates.
-I wasn't a big socializer so I really didn't know what to talk about on first dates.
-I went out with way too many girls that just wanted a free meal/drinks.
-I attracted a lot of crazy girls.
-I got frustrated because women were flakey, wouldn't follow thru, cancel at the last minute, or would ghost you.
-Going out to bars looking for women wasn't very successful because I wasn't that good at it so it got really frustrating.
-I cared too much, too soon. I was too much of a nice guy.

I was so pathetic that the first attractive girl I ever went out with after my divorce I brought roses, picked her up, took her to a nice steak place for dinner/drinks, then took her to a concert where I had box suite tickets. That chic strung me along for 2months afterwards. I finally got her to agree to a second date and when I went to pick her up she wasn't even home.

I thank that wh0re for all the b.s. she put me thru. I followed her on social media for several years and wintessed all the dudes she went thru. She was a groupie to one of the NASCAR drivers when he came to town. I won't mention his name but she would stay in his bus at the track all weekend.

And here I thought she was something special. lol

Thanks for sharing that. I’m all for discussion about men to make their situations better, which sometimes involves sharing what we had to correct.

 

[jhonny9546]

In fact, many "second marriages with the new" and "first divorces from the old" are born in the workplace.

Men have stopped dating women when this requires really too many means that it is not worth the game.

Men are deprived of sex: some have women to fall back on, others escorts.

It would be interesting to hear what means you use when you just want to "****". What do you fall back on?


@The Duke You've been through it all. Like all of us here. Respect to you bro! I guess there's a post with your improvement journey so far. Where can we find it?

 

[SW15]

I know a fair share of people, and not one couple amongst them started from the man cold approaching… or warm approaching either!

I know some longer term couples formed on a male cold approach at a bar. I think that is getting more difficult to find.

 

[Barrister]

Men haven’t given up on dating. MGTOW and black pill men have given up dating and they are who you asked for for their opinions. Of course these are the answers you will get.

Men can be successful in this dating market. Very successful, in fact, if more and more men take the defeatist attitudes of the men in the OP. Makes it that much easier for those of us who have our sh1t together to really stand out and slay.

 

[Solomon]

Men haven’t given up on dating. MGTOW and black pill men have given up dating and they are who you asked for for their opinions. Of course these are the answers you will get.

Men can be successful in this dating market. Very successful, in fact, if more and more men take the defeatist attitudes of the men in the OP. Makes it that much easier for those of us who have our sh1t together to really stand out and slay.

The biggest difference I’ve learned between men who are successful with women and those who aren’t isn’t looks, money, or status. It’s mindset. Successful men don’t have a defeatist attitude when it comes to women. I’ve never seen a man who’s good with women constantly complain about feminism, not getting enough dates, or blaming external factors for his lack of success.

That’s not to say successful men are immune to women’s bad behavior or B.S.—but it’s how they handle these situations that sets them apart. I remember back when I used to be a simp in my younger years, hanging around some naturally confident guys. I’d vent to them about my problems with women, and eventually, it got to a point where some of them didn’t even want to hear that shyt anymore.

Changing a perpetually negative mindset takes extreme effort and hard work. Most people reach a point where they just give up and accept their reality. But then, there are the very few who push through—and those are the ones who make it.

 

[Mike32ct]

Yes, learned helplessness is a really big and common problem. It’s tough because the guy doesn’t objectively “know” 100% if it’s over or there is still a chance waiting around the corner.

It would take a leap of faith (at a bare minimum) to continue around that corner.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I’ve never seen a man who’s good with women constantly complain about feminism,

I have unrelenting hatred for feminism, but got some women and have a woman despite it.

looks, money, or status

A man doesn’t need those to get a woman, or even a few women, but they enormously increase optionality.

 

[Vanderdonck]

What most MGTOW and BP men don't realize is how much women love d!ck and hate to go without. That alone changes the dynamic and if put a little effort in, a woman will go after you. They'd rather blame a boogeyman named Chad unfortunately.

 

[GoodMan32]

Indeed, if you are terminally online, it's easy to fall into confirmation bias. this is why I miss the days on the forum because going outside (to meet women) was so encouraged. Nowadays, most men don't make any effort to meet women. There is a reason 45% of 18-25 year olds have never asked a woman out in person, and that is cause they don't make the effort to meet women and this is true for older men as well, as they just don't think it's worth it. However the same guys who don't make effort, are the loudest to complain about modern dating and being lonely, yet they make no effort to change their situation.



Single people go out as well; they just for the most part tend to go out in social circles(which most sosuavers and men in general don't have) or with each other i.e. wingman. Most men sadly don't have friends. nor are most men making effort to make friends

Unless they were homeschooled or attended an all-male high school, these 18-25 year old dudes went to high school with plenty of female classmates (and many 18-25 year old dudes are either in college or at least attended college)

They've had plenty of opportunities to ask out the opposite sex.

There are a multitude of reasons 45% of 18-25 year old dudes haven't asked out a member of the opposite sex in person. The idea that they haven't been in positions to meet a member of the opposite sex, however, isn't the explanation.

 

[Solomon]

I have unrelenting hatred for feminism, but got some women and have a woman despite it.

Unrelenting hatred for something and constantly complaining about something are two different things. Unless the thing you hate is something you constantly talk or complain about (not just online but in person etc)

But I hear you

Unless they were homeschooled or attended an all-male high school, these 18-25 year old dudes went to high school with plenty of female classmates (and many 18-25 year old dudes are either in college or at least attended college)

They've had plenty of opportunities to ask out the opposite sex.

There are a multitude of reasons 45% of 18-25 year old dudes haven't asked out a member of the opposite sex in person. The idea that they haven't been in positions to meet a member of the opposite sex, however, isn't the explanation.

Here is the study I'm talking about for reference if you want to look at it deeper. Very interesting read

 

[GoodMan32]

What most MGTOW and BP men don't realize is how much women love d!ck and hate to go without. That alone changes the dynamic and if put a little effort in, a woman will go after you. They'd rather blame a boogeyman named Chad unfortunately.

Umm, many a woman never orgasms from a dude's sausage (and requires either a dildo, cunnilingus, or her hand to orgasm)

 

[Vanderdonck]

Umm, many a woman never orgasms from a dude's sausage (and requires either a dildo, cunnilingus, or her hand to orgasm)

And yet this doesn't stop them from hunting for schlong. I don't make the rules.

 

[tesla8520]

That alone changes the dynamic and if put a little effort in

It is also true that the "little effort" must be well balanced to the situation: not too much, not too little.
Otherwise, even if she likes it, you are out.

Btw what is your exprience?

 

[SW15]

Men haven’t given up on dating

There are many thirsty on swipe apps giving women abundance. While a small fringe percentage may have given up on dating, the majority of men haven't and keep getting thirstier.

 

[BadBoy89]

The biggest difference I’ve learned between men who are successful with women and those who aren’t isn’t looks, money, or status. It’s mindset. Successful men don’t have a defeatist attitude when it comes to women. I’ve never seen a man who’s good with women constantly complain about feminism, not getting enough dates, or blaming external factors for his lack of success.

Again it depends on the age of the woman, but I don’t think it’s mindset holding men back. Don’t want to sound like a broken record, but a lot of it js height and hair, After a man has that, then other attributes are important. If a man lacks that, he won’t even get into the game.

Now when we talk women, we are talking hot young women under 30 with 0 divorces and 0 kids. If you want to f a single mother in her 40s, then yes, mindset is important and height and hair is not.

 

[The Duke]

The biggest difference I’ve learned between men who are successful with women and those who aren’t isn’t looks, money, or status. It’s mindset. Successful men don’t have a defeatist attitude when it comes to women. I’ve never seen a man who’s good with women constantly complain about feminism, not getting enough dates, or blaming external factors for his lack of success.

Bingo!

 

[pipeman84]

What most MGTOW and BP men don't realize is how much women love d!ck and hate to go without. That alone changes the dynamic and if put a little effort in, a woman will go after you.

How do you explain dead bedrooms then?