Why many men are refusing to get married.

[corrector]

In terms of my contribution to this discussion I may also need to add the following facts. I married a girl I only knew for about 5 months prior to an expensive wedding which had 180 guests. We never slept with each other before the wedding, or lived together despite the objections of my relatives.

Having a divorce, would I want to get married a second time again? I think so.

I don't think it's likely any marriage can exist as worst as what I just went through, so the second time around would have to be better for sure.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Virtually every guy in the Midwest gets married. The ones who don't are outcasts.

In fact most of them have kids by the age of 25.

Pretty true for the most part. More women for me

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Danger what part of chicago did you visit? Chicago is a pretty masucline city you must of been by wrigleyville or up north with all the transplants from Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin

 

[YawataNoKami]

The real way to ‘Man Up’ is to adapt to realities on the ground, and be among the men who is benefiting from the new world order, rather than one of the men who is bearing the cost of it. It is very Darwinian (not necessarily in the reproductive sense, but it the happiness sense).

Game = Manning up.
Mangina/Whiteknight = Failing to man up in a Darwinian sense.

 

[Peña]

I find it strange how some will attack men for being married or wanting to get married. It is also strange those same people will try to get others to hate marriage too based only on hypotheticals. They attack the foundation of marriage when they were never married assuming they will get a divorce. Why so much hate for the concept of marriage?

Guess what? When my parents divorced, my mom had to pay my dad child support and he made the most money. You never hear those stories though lol.

More women today are paying men alimony and that is good.

 

[Peña]

I see posters hating on marriage and insulting posters for supporting it. Why? If you don't like something why the need to keep bashing it trying to get others to join along? Why hate on something you never have or have never done? I find that very strange to hate something based on only hypotheticals.

One poster has to make up lies claiming "hating" when it is "defending" marriage from the others who are hating on it. If you created children you should be responsible for them financially both the woman and the man. Not being responsible for your kids you created is a catastrophe for your kids. Laws were put in place because too many people refused to give any support to their kids and that is wrong. More women are paying alimony to men since women make more money with better jobs and that is good for them to pay. A certain poster is trying to switch topics again when his narrative was shown wrong. If you do not want to get married that is your life choice. Nobody is going to care if you do not want to get married. It is those people who hate on marriage. It is the MGTOW element who hates marriage and is trying to strip away marriage from our society like other fringe groups try to strip away our norms. If you are happy living your life your way why do you still hate on something you are going away from wanting others to follow? I find that very strange.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I find it interesting how vehemently some will attack the men here for keeping the poo$y parade going without taking on the added risk of marriage. Why so much hate for men who do not get married?

Peasant,

I was in a hotel by the river, about four blocks from the hard rock cafe.

Oh you were downtown with all the tourist and transplant and the industry people. Yup probably was a bunch of bearded betas hahahaha

 

[jurry]

Do your own research social leper, danger and the links he uses are heavily biased towards presenting a particular narrative, in this case where a woman willfully forces the father of her child out of her life so that she can raise a child on her own in exchange for the possibility of getting the $400 per month average child support payment, if he even pays it. Awesome!

Try clothing, feeding and raising a child on your own for that monthly sum. Its hilarious that someone could put forth such a ludicrous claim, and a bit sad that others actually support it as being legitimate.

If you decide on joint custody of your children and have roughly similar income as the mother this will never be an issue for you. If you dont, then yes you'll have to pay to support your child. Shocker! Please do not fall into the pit of MGTOW ignorance and logic-free ideology.

 

[zekko]

a woman willfully forces the father of her child out of her life so that she can raise a child on her own in exchange for the possibility of getting the $400 per month average child support payment, if he even pays it. Awesome!

Try clothing, feeding and raising a child on your own for that monthly sum. Its hilarious that someone could put forth such a ludicrous claim, and a bit sad that others actually support it as being legitimate.

Well, I certainly know women who have gotten a lot more than $400 a month. But whatever. No one is claiming women are financial whizzes. What they see is "Hey, I can pad my income for the next 20 years by $400 a month, free and clear". And since they are single, this is their money to do with as they please, with no one else they have to discuss it with (like they probably would if they were still married).

 

[Stugots26]

I once heard a story that a guy hid cash in a safe he kept at a friend's place, and knowing his wife was cheating he slowly withdrew all the money from his bank account and hid it in the safe.

Then the guy started attending gambler's anonymous meetings and alcoholics anonymous meetings. By the time he and his ex reached divorce court, he was able to say that he had no assets left in the bank to share with his ex - he had squandered them all gambling and he had the months "spent in recovery" to back up his story.

Brilliant!

 

[badboyjmm]

Besides, if the whole child support system was designed to provide for the child, there's no reason why in the US you will get jail time for not paying.

The child doesn't see his father and there's still no money added to provide for the child. So essentially, you got laws that mention protecting the child but they do a very poor job of that.

I don't knock people for wanting to get married. If it makes you happy great! I'm sure that there's happy couples around. But I'm concern about the divorce laws that are heavily in favor of women.

I just don't see the benefits of it and there's a lot of data\reasons to validate my opinion.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Guess what? When my parents divorced, my mom had to pay my dad child support and he made the most money. You never hear those stories though lol.

It's one of those "man bites dog" stories that happen occasionally but are statistically insignificant. Your mom either didn't want custody or there were circumstances making her ineligible (drug or alcohol abuse, mental health, etc.)

 

[jurry]

The Census data is the Census data jurry.

Fight as you wish against it but those are still the official child support numbers. If you have better numbers, by all means present them.

Nice strawmen though.

May want to review the definition of strawmen. I am quoting the article you posted on this thread.

This guy, who you apparently support and agree with, is stating that child support is exclusively for women to get rid of the father of their child and pad their income.

What you are saying is that a woman is going to have sex with a man, go through nine months of carrying a child, risking any number of pregnancy risks and complications, go through childbirth and all of those potential risk and complications with that, then take that man to court, go through all the stress and misery of fighting and getting rid of this guy, take on the social and future dating ostracization of being a single mother, the huge opportunity cost of raising a child on her own.. Do ALL of that for the possibility of getting a few hundred bucks a month to help raise the child? Which this guy may not even give her or be able to give her?

Is that seriously your argument?

 

[dk1990S111]

May want to review the definition of strawmen. I am quoting the article you posted on this thread.

This guy, who you apparently support and agree with, is stating that child support is exclusively for women to get rid of the father of their child and pad their income.

What you are saying is that a woman is going to have sex with a man, go through nine months of carrying a child, risking any number of pregnancy risks and complications, go through childbirth and all of those potential risk and complications with that, then take that man to court, go through all the stress and misery of fighting and getting rid of this guy, take on the social and future dating ostracization of being a single mother, the huge opportunity cost of raising a child on her own.. Do ALL of that for the possibility of getting a few hundred bucks a month to help raise the child? Which this guy may not even give her or be able to give her?

Is that seriously your argument?

Well from what I have seen, atleast from girls my age, is that they dont think that far ahead. They can barely put any thought and planning into a few weeks from now.

 

[Hollowpoints]

I see posters hating on marriage and insulting posters for supporting it. Why? If you don't like something why the need to keep bashing it trying to get others to join along? Why hate on something you never have or have never done? I find that very strange to hate something based on only hypotheticals.

One poster has to make up lies claiming "hating" when it is "defending" marriage from the others who are hating on it. If you created children you should be responsible for them financially both the woman and the man. Not being responsible for your kids you created is a catastrophe for your kids. Laws were put in place because too many people refused to give any support to their kids and that is wrong. More women are paying alimony to men since women make more money with better jobs and that is good for them to pay. A certain poster is trying to switch topics again when his narrative was shown wrong. If you do not want to get married that is your life choice. Nobody is going to care if you do not want to get married. It is those people who hate on marriage. It is the MGTOW element who hates marriage and is trying to strip away marriage from our society like other fringe groups try to strip away our norms. If you are happy living your life your way why do you still hate on something you are going away from wanting others to follow? I find that very strange.

Great post! +1 reps.

May want to review the definition of strawmen. I am quoting the article you posted on this thread.

This guy, who you apparently support and agree with, is stating that child support is exclusively for women to get rid of the father of their child and pad their income.

What you are saying is that a woman is going to have sex with a man, go through nine months of carrying a child, risking any number of pregnancy risks and complications, go through childbirth and all of those potential risk and complications with that, then take that man to court, go through all the stress and misery of fighting and getting rid of this guy, take on the social and future dating ostracization of being a single mother, the huge opportunity cost of raising a child on her own.. Do ALL of that for the possibility of getting a few hundred bucks a month to help raise the child? Which this guy may not even give her or be able to give her?

Is that seriously your argument?

These MGTOW men claim to know everything there is to know about women and life yet none of them can seem to figure out how to have a successful marriage without them being a perpetual victim, needing the relationship to be all about them like a spoiled child, meanwhile blaming everything on everyone else with no accountability for themselves. They can't get over their beta behaviors and poon pedestalizing or trauma from the past. They then hypocritically finger point at the females who do the same things they do, then generalize it as all females doing it. Everything is about sex with them and it's like they are powerless against it. They love sex and despise sex at the same time because they are insecure, AFC control freaks with narcissistic tendencies.

If they don't want to get married they don't have to, but for men who have it all figured out they sure spend God awful amounts of time trying to convince each other and everyone around them to share their negative "reality" fatalistic views to join them as a group going their own way....which is always online and never just a man going his own way on his own.

For men to supposedly be better off going their own way they do a hell of a lot more complaining about everything women do and how everything is out to get them then instead enjoying the rest of their days alone, free of women in their own personal paradise and wealth.

 

[bigneil]

I reviewed my last 3 heartaches (which happened out of the last 12 girls over 5 years), and they had a similar pattern:

1) Love at first sight.
2) Long (1+ month) romance with her initiating lots of romantic texting.
3) Lots of kissing and/or sex early.
4) At some point I show a momentary instant of weakness. Example. Jealousy for 1 minute of 1 person, 1 time.
5) Their interest level immediately and permanently disappears into thin air forever.

In most cases they seem to deliberately test me to discover my weaknesses, and then say AHA! You have a weakness! Sorry, I need a stronger man.

In the past (circa 1989) I remember screaming at beautiful women when they didn't call back, having them slap me, making all sorts of rookie errors, being jealous to the point of leaving nasty messages on their machines, etc... but once a woman liked a man she liked him through thick and thin for at least 3 months. Now it's like all he has to do is offend one of her FB friends by liking something she doesn't like, and he's out.

This zero-tolerance policy isn't working. Men are not perfect. And we don't have makeup to cover our flaws.

 

[VladPatton]

I reviewed my last 3 heartaches (which happened out of the last 12 girls over 5 years), and they had a similar pattern:

1) Love at first sight.
2) Long (1+ month) romance with her initiating lots of romantic texting.
3) Lots of kissing and/or sex early.
4) At some point I show a momentary instant of weakness. Example. Jealousy for 1 minute of 1 person, 1 time.
5) Their interest level immediately and permanently disappears into thin air forever.

In most cases they seem to deliberately test me to discover my weaknesses, and then say AHA! You have a weakness! Sorry, I need a stronger man.

In the past (circa 1989) I remember screaming at beautiful women when they didn't call back, having them slap me, making all sorts of rookie errors, being jealous to the point of leaving nasty messages on their machines, etc... but once a woman liked a man she liked him through thick and thin for at least 3 months. Now it's like all he has to do is offend one of her FB friends by liking something she doesn't like, and he's out.

This zero-tolerance policy isn't working. Men are not perfect. And we don't have makeup to cover our flaws.

It's gonna take decades to repair what social media is doing to us, especially females. You have girls dying trying to take cute selfies, bro. Da fuq??

 

[PeasantPlayer]

When I went to a sporting event I seen some chick taking multiple selfies and making that stupid duck face, I wanted to smack the phone right out of here hand. Women these days annoy the hell out of me....always in their god damn phones like something important is going on

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

When I went to a sporting event I seen some chick taking multiple selfies and making that stupid duck face, I wanted to smack the phone right out of here hand. Women these days annoy the hell out of me....always in their god damn phones like something important is going on

It is something IMPORTANT going on, it's THEM. They feed their narcissism with these endless selfies...

 

[Peña]

Pena,

I cited examples of the raw deal men get from child support and custody. I also cited where you are attacking other posters. I have yet to see any supporting data from you to backup your claims.

I have the US Census Bureau data on my side showing the bias in mothers getting money and fathers getting little.

Where is your evidence?

Still crying about being attacked? Still playing the victim I see. I attacked nobody and you are attacking the foundation of marriage and child support which is strange since you are a MGTOW and do not believe in it. Why so concerned over something you gone away from? It is the man's role to provide and to protect his familly. Why do you have a problem with that?

Women are paying more in alimony and child support today according to lawyers. Look it up on the net. It is there. Child support is not a raw deal like you say. It is a raw deal for the child to be neglected not having things they should have because of selfish parents who have the money but refuse to provide. If you create a child it is your responsibility to pay and provide. If the woman makes more she pays more. If the man make more he pays. Both parents need to have active roles even in a divorce. Not sure why you have problems with it when you hate the idea of both being marriecd and having kids. Why cry over something you hate and don't have? That is very strange to me.

Great post! +1 reps.

These MGTOW men claim to know everything there is to know about women and life yet none of them can seem to figure out how to have a successful marriage without them being a perpetual victim, needing the relationship to be all about them like a spoiled child, meanwhile blaming everything on everyone else with no accountability for themselves. They can't get over their beta behaviors and poon pedestalizing or trauma from the past. They then hypocritically finger point at the females who do the same things they do, then generalize it as all females doing it. Everything is about sex with them and it's like they are powerless against it. They love sex and despise sex at the same time because they are insecure, AFC control freaks with narcissistic tendencies.

If they don't want to get married they don't have to, but for men who have it all figured out they sure spend God awful amounts of time trying to convince each other and everyone around them to share their negative "reality" fatalistic views to join them as a group going their own way....which is always online and never just a man going his own way on his own.

For men to supposedly be better off going their own way they do a hell of a lot more complaining about everything women do and how everything is out to get them then instead enjoying the rest of their days alone, free of women in their own personal paradise and wealth.

Hollow is on point. Not sure why they cry and complain about marriage and child support when they refuse to get married and have kids. Shouldn't they be happy going their own way? Still they stick around to complain going back the other way they claimed to leave. How crazy is that?