Why male online spaces are so toxic.

[Solomon]

Lets not sugarcoat sht. These spaces are full of a buncha losers and nerds, incels and all that.

The few guys who enjoy abundance either get turned off by some of the posts like I have many times, or might learn to ignore some of it and filter it out -- or just leave because of the beta male posts and ego swinging from people who really shouldn't have an ego to begin with.

Theres nothing for successful men to gain from these places-- but the least we can do is give advice and try to help change perspectives.
People do heed our advice-- because if you looked at this forum maybe 2 -3 years ago it was just full of extreme women hate , incel sht.. and look at it now, The attitudes have changed so greatly.. and only after some of those men who challenged the overall consensus/perspective had left. It takes real men to challenge the narratives of the weak herd of men.

BINGO there are levels to this once you realize how the top 10% guys are living or become one of them you realize most men don't want it bad enough. You have to immerse yourself in your purpose and then the girls come and they wanna have extra fun!

 

[Bingo-Player]

Not sure its just male online spaces

I keep an eye on a reddit dating advice sub and its pretty toxic on there too and that's both sexes , not to mention the female dating strategy forums which are pretty much teaching the exact opposite of red pill theory

Hyper connectivity has come at a cost

"Game" is hard and we don't say it enough.

Going out there and talking to girls you do not know is tough. Rejection is very much real and a lot of women will even be mean about it. Getting in the gym, getting a nice body, and being disciplined for months if not years about that is tough. Talking to multiple women a night and going on even when you have been rejected is tough.

PUA misled everyone, it is tough as nails to be a guy who consistently has different women with above average looks in his life. The amount of work you have to do is unreal as a man. Then to realize that there is no one on your side and society will fight tooth and nail to stop you from going after your dream of meeting hot girls is also disheartening.

You need to be a mentally and emotionally strong guy to really pull it off.

I have seen so many dudes cold approach for a bit and then quit because of how tough it actually was.

More importantly, you have to put your ego on the line and most men won't do that. You have to go out there, get humiliated, and keep doing it until you get results (obviously fixing things each time). You have to make yourself vulnerable as a guy as opposed to feeling that safety of community you'd get on an internet forum or a black pill space.

This is correct though , sample size & success rate is a massive factor

I mean most guys may have the balls to cold approach say for example 10 women a year ? if 9 of them reject thats a 90% failure rate and its entirely possibly the entire 10 will

The key of course is to expand the sample size if you boost them numbers up to say 100 girls the rejection rate will go down and the success rate will go up its literally impossible for it not too

Out of 100 girls still if only 10% want you thats 10 girls that want you inside them

Kick it up to 1000 and that's a 100

Game is entirely about perseverance and numbers

 

[Millard Fillmore]

I have done it and in the moment it felt like a relief. I have wanted to talk about how bad women of certain nationalities or backgrounds are and in the moment, it felt great. It felt like a nice letting go when I could rant about how awful certain kinds of women were and get a lot of men to agree with me. That community you get of like-minded men who hate women or things about the sexual market place makes these men feel a feeling they are not too familiar with, one of finally belonging. In the short-term, it is far more addicting to spit out a red pill theory, get a lot of upvotes, a lot of likes, and a lot of compliments from your fellow men on the internet than do the hard work.

Never felt that pull. I never feel negative or that any women are "bad." Yeah I've had bad experiences but I learn and push forward and that's it. Some people suck. No point dwelling on it. My good times far outweigh the bad bc I have a positive attitude.

A lot of people just like being complainers and negative. It's "who they are." They will pull you down with them. I'm not MGTOW but I do do my own thing bc most people are cowards.

You need to be a mentally and emotionally strong guy to really pull it off.

I have seen so many dudes cold approach for a bit and then quit because of how tough it actually was.

More importantly, you have to put your ego on the line and most men won't do that.

First item - you don't need to be "strong," just willing to change and stick to it. It takes 30 days to form a habit. Like hitting the gym or playing guitar. Lotsa guys quit early. Not so much strength as persistence.

Last item - agree. Thing is, it's only "humiliating" if you make it so. She can't do that. This is what most people don't get.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

How much do you charge and where are you based out of.

I first conduct a discovery session to see where your mindset is at, and get a sense of who you are, your goals, etc which is free of charge. The truth is I am intentional with who I work, so I do not work with just everyone and anyone.

I am on the west coast.

For more info, feel free to email me at contact@modernmanadvice.com

 

[HaleyBaron]

I hate the word toxic.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I hate the word toxic.

Personally, I love it. It’s one of my favorite new age terms, up there with foodie, dog mom, chest-feeding and male privilege.

 

[BadBoy89]

In my experience and perspective, there are two different types of males that interact in forums like this: The ones that genuinely want to become better men and the ones that say they want to be better men but just want to get laid more and feel "alpha" but deep down are frustrated and jaded.

The only issue is becoming a better man does not make a man get laid more.

I would say give the hot young sexy girl first, then become the better man. By the time the man becomes a better man, the hot young sexy girl is already pregnant by the natural.

Now if we are talking about older or ugly women, then I agree with you.

 

[C.I.Philosopher]

There have been a couple of threads on how toxic male dating advice is going around so much and how toxic a lot of male dating spaces have become. There are many reasons we can point to for this such as society going in the direction it is and gender relations in general. However, I wanted to point to a reason we can all control and why toxicity is so addicting as well as tough to stop in a community.

MGTOW, Black Pill, etc.

At some point, the Red Pill which was meant for Sexual Strategy took on the "forget women period and focus on your life mission" approach. The problem is, it was not a very genuine one. Here is a bit of a newsflash, if you spend a good chunk of your day talking about how awful women are, how screwed up gender relations are, and how women are the devil, you are still putting "p*ssy on the pedestal" because you cannot get it off your mind. In fact, I'd argue that it is even worse than PUA because at least with PUA, you are going out there and actually talking to girls.

A lot of the Red Pill basically became an echo chamber where men could find community in b1tching about women without having to ever interact with one. However, they labeled themselves as not valuing women, despite the fact that most of their discussions revolve around women..........

In reality, it is addicting.

I have done it and in the moment it felt like a relief. I have wanted to talk about how bad women of certain nationalities or backgrounds are and in the moment, it felt great. It felt like a nice letting go when I could rant about how awful certain kinds of women were and get a lot of men to agree with me. That community you get of like-minded men who hate women or things about the sexual market place makes these men feel a feeling they are not too familiar with, one of finally belonging. In the short-term, it is far more addicting to spit out a red pill theory, get a lot of upvotes, a lot of likes, and a lot of compliments from your fellow men on the internet than do the hard work.

"Game" is hard and we don't say it enough.

Going out there and talking to girls you do not know is tough. Rejection is very much real and a lot of women will even be mean about it. Getting in the gym, getting a nice body, and being disciplined for months if not years about that is tough. Talking to multiple women a night and going on even when you have been rejected is tough.

PUA misled everyone, it is tough as nails to be a guy who consistently has different women with above average looks in his life. The amount of work you have to do is unreal as a man. Then to realize that there is no one on your side and society will fight tooth and nail to stop you from going after your dream of meeting hot girls is also disheartening.

You need to be a mentally and emotionally strong guy to really pull it off.

I have seen so many dudes cold approach for a bit and then quit because of how tough it actually was.

More importantly, you have to put your ego on the line and most men won't do that. You have to go out there, get humiliated, and keep doing it until you get results (obviously fixing things each time). You have to make yourself vulnerable as a guy as opposed to feeling that safety of community you'd get on an internet forum or a black pill space.

Meanwhile, theorizing and mentally masturbating are fun and addicting.

They are fun, they are addicting, and they lead to short-term happiness. It is fun to talk $hit about women. That is why the black pill has become so popular and its spread is practically inevitable.

You're being dishonest and sound like a typical anti-manosphere emotional feminist who stumbled upon a manosphere forum, saw the truth and called "toxic"! c'mon man? I "might" not look it in my photo but I'm 27 years old and I've been in these communities and have researched them. At 1st sight this "SoSuave forum" seems like a PUA group with red pill knowledge or blue pill men coping to get women with red pill knowledge, which is still pathetic in my eyes.
MGTOW - Mostly just older men,recently divorced in some cases. Believe in keeping women at a distance and strictly professional when communicating with them. Takes the believe that women are "leeches" that want's the energy,resources and lives of men. Some don't even want to look at women, conquest of the mind is enough, sometimes she just wants you to look at her,for her to turn away when you do, you know? Having said that, they repeat the same things to many times and this causes some of them to go bitter. It begins to sound like complaining. That is MGTOW's true issue. It's empty with no solution.
Black Pilled - Mostly made up off incels but attractive dudes too.It's based on reality and observation's, but is to Nihilistic and narrow in thinking. It is impossible for an "incel" to become a 10% man.It is impossible for an incel to date 9/10 girl,no matter how much he's improved. This is all true but now that you know this,why are you still focusing on a hopeless cause?What is the point of the "Black pill"message? They're not even telling the men to "focus" on themselves or find hobbies? Wheat Waffles is ok,He advises men on how to improve and to choose women on their looks level. In my opinion, main root problem of Black Pill is to much focus on women.(self worth)

Dudes on here really just seem like coping PUA's(MGTOW,Blue Pilled,Purple Pill,Black Pill,Simps) making up "copes" to get pass the harsh "reality" of dating and women. If you're improving to be a 10% man as you all say, so you may have the pick of the litter in time, then you have improved because of outside incentive's and not of your own conviction,you have improved because of women or a woman. Impying you have no intrinsic value on your own.This is why the "DJ" approach is not sustainable in the long term.You as a man have only advanced because of women. In time that realization,the bitterness is gonna sink in as well. Another thing..if anyone can become 10% man then by definition there no longer is a 10% man.

The entire manosphere along with society is messed up.We need a big war or revolution for things to go to normal. Note : English 2nd language

 

[CornbreadFed]

The entire manosphere along with society is messed up.We need a big war or revolution for things to go to normal. Note : English 2nd language

I would rather deal slooty women than risk my life fighting in WW3.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I appreciate the post Jesse. I think you can take this further and say a lot of people, myself included, just want to ***** about something and it can be done outright or it can be more subtle in the form of asking constantly for advice and help but never acting on it, or only cherry picking what you want to hear and discarding the rest. I am beyond guilty of the latter and it’s something I am going to personally focus on. I am a ruminator. I would guess that like most things, the key is humility, awareness and a genuinely motivated interest in a different outcome. We get there in our own time and our own way.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

You're being dishonest and sound like a typical anti-manosphere emotional feminist who stumbled upon a manosphere forum, saw the truth and called "toxic"! c'mon man? I "might" not look it in my photo but I'm 27 years old and I've been in these communities and have researched them. At 1st sight this "SoSuave forum" seems like a PUA group with red pill knowledge or blue pill men coping to get women with red pill knowledge, which is still pathetic in my eyes.
MGTOW - Mostly just older men,recently divorced in some cases. Believe in keeping women at a distance and strictly professional when communicating with them. Takes the believe that women are "leeches" that want's the energy,resources and lives of men. Some don't even want to look at women, conquest of the mind is enough, sometimes she just wants you to look at her,for her to turn away when you do, you know? Having said that, they repeat the same things to many times and this causes some of them to go bitter. It begins to sound like complaining. That is MGTOW's true issue. It's empty with no solution.
Black Pilled - Mostly made up off incels but attractive dudes too.It's based on reality and observation's, but is to Nihilistic and narrow in thinking. It is impossible for an "incel" to become a 10% man.It is impossible for an incel to date 9/10 girl,no matter how much he's improved. This is all true but now that you know this,why are you still focusing on a hopeless cause?What is the point of the "Black pill"message? They're not even telling the men to "focus" on themselves or find hobbies? Wheat Waffles is ok,He advises men on how to improve and to choose women on their looks level. In my opinion, main root problem of Black Pill is to much focus on women.(self worth)

Dudes on here really just seem like coping PUA's(MGTOW,Blue Pilled,Purple Pill,Black Pill,Simps) making up "copes" to get pass the harsh "reality" of dating and women. If you're improving to be a 10% man as you all say, so you may have the pick of the litter in time, then you have improved because of outside incentive's and not of your own conviction,you have improved because of women or a woman. Impying you have no intrinsic value on your own.This is why the "DJ" approach is not sustainable in the long term.You as a man have only advanced because of women. In time that realization,the bitterness is gonna sink in as well. Another thing..if anyone can become 10% man then by definition there no longer is a 10% man.

The entire manosphere along with society is messed up.We need a big war or revolution for things to go to normal. Note : English 2nd language

Things are never going back to normal. We are either going to advance or devolve, but we won't go back to how things have been.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Things are never going back to normal. We are either going to advance or devolve, but we won't go back to how things have been.

Humans are naturally going to progress and make their lives more convenient and comfortable. Yes, we can have WW3 and live in a hand maiden’s tale wet dream for a decade or so, but that will only be temporarily.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Humans are naturally going to progress and make their lives more convenient and comfortable. Yes, we can have WW3 and live in a hand maiden’s tale wet dream for a decade or so, but that will only be temporarily.

There would definitely be ET disclosure by then, especially if there is WW3.

 

[C.I.Philosopher]

I would rather deal slooty women than risk my life fighting in WW3.

Understandable... I'd go fight honestly. I'd like to think it's a good death for a man..you know honorable and ****.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Understandable... I'd go fight honestly. I'd like to think it's a good death for a man..you know honorable and ****.

Don't. War is a racket for banker's profits. Listen to a U,S. Marine General first before you sacrifice yourself for satanists.

War Is A Racket, by Major General Smedley Butler, 1935

Also, the Invasion of Normandy was called Operation Overlord and was launched on the 6th hour of June 6th. (666)

Operation Overlord - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[CornbreadFed]

Understandable... I'd go fight honestly. I'd like to think it's a good death for a man..you know honorable and ****.

Well there‘s a certain Eastern European country that is having a manpower shortage right now. I’m sure they could use you

 

[C.I.Philosopher]

Well there‘s a certain Eastern European country that is having a manpower shortage right now. I’m sure they could use you

Why would I go fight for another country? I'm African we support BRICS here, Namibian to be exact 3rd world country yeah but say for example Botswana is to invade *humph* they're gonna have a real hard time pal!

 

[C.I.Philosopher]

Don't. War is a racket for banker's profits. Listen to a U,S. Marine General first before you sacrifice yourself for satanists.

War Is A Racket, by Major General Smedley Butler, 1935

Also, the Invasion of Normandy was called Operation Overlord and was launched on the 6th hour of June 6th. (666)

Operation Overlord - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks I'll give it a read.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Why would I go fight for another country? I'm African we support BRICS here, Namibian to be exact 3rd world country yeah but say for example Botswana is to invade *humph* they're gonna have a real hard time pal!

Botswana is one of the most stable countries in Sub-Saharan Africa currently, so I do not see that happening. Angola and South Africa are both separated by a desert wasteland barrier. In conclusion, your only hope to fight in a war is Ukraine haha.

 

[Macadellic]

If male spaces are toxic then female spaces are now toxic for the trans (biological men) that storms the beaches of feminism.