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[Who is John Galt?]

Jake

Many Indians are incredibly racist

Many, but not all. Again, I am an individual. Do not judge me by what my "food group" generally believes.

I'll bet you a hundred million rupees that your dad would rather have himself castrated than have you marry a dark-skinned Indian girl from the "untouchables" caste.

Actually, I am of Pakistani descent so the caste system is not a major factor with my family. What you said about skin color is true, though. However, my mother is fair-skinned so skin color is not a big deal for my family.

you've internalized that racism and all you want is a whitegirl.

What makes you think that? I do not rule any ethnic or racial group out. It is rational to look at the entire female pool.

You explicitly stated time and time again that a person who is proud to have a certain lineage and tradition are racist.

Fundamentally, such a person is indeed racist. What do you think they are proud of? Being equal to hundreds of other groups?

Following your logic, it would make pretty much anyone in this world except YOU a racist.

There are plenty of people that believe in the individual. There are hundreds of billions of us out there. If we coalesce in common cause perhaps we can save the world from a prospective nuclear holocaust engendered by the real Axis of Evil: religion, ethnicity, and race.

you were probably embarrassed that your mother packed ethnic foods in your lunch while your white friends brought PBJ sandwishes and carrot sticks.

No, I ate "mainstream" foods during lunch at school. My parents did not make an effort to push their culture onto me. As a result of that, I have no link to it. There was one area that was an exception: dating. They proscribed me from dating. As a result of that I am an AFC. I lost many great opportunities because of that. For that alone I could not care less if that culture died overnight...

And you read too much Playboy as a pre-teen, and from then on no Indian woman has ever appealed to you - "Only white blonde girls with names like Stacy and Pamela and Sandy, please."

Where I grew up there were a grand total five South Asian girls my age. Logically, the types of women I was attracted to were not South Asian. I would estimate that only 10% of women are significantly attractive and only 1-2% are breathtaking. If you randomly picked 5 you will find nothing to write home about.

The problems with South Asian women are well-documented by South Asian DJ's here. I will not rule out marrying one but I am more wary of them. Why? They are the biggest gold-diggers on the planet! They would marry a 4'10" guy who weighed 600 lbs and had half of his face scarred in a fire if he was a doctor or lawyer. And they have an extreme "princess attitude." They feel they are entitled to marry some guy with a six figure income who will by them everything they wany. Ask any South Asian DJ here. They'll tell you this is true.

Moreover, since I have no link to my parents culture I have no reason to prefer South Asian women. What do they offer that is special?

I think you're reacting very negatively to the mere thought of being part of tradition or hertiage and perhaps continuing it by marrying within your race/culture because you feel like you don't belong. You're an empty shell - you're not an Indian, in your mind. You're obviously not white - look your ass in the mirror, and your family history. You're as All-American as a sushi-plate.

I am an individual; why is this so difficult for you to accept? I have never cared about "my culture". What difference does it make? Why should I marry a woman to preserve something that I do not care about?

That you call people who don't wish to follow your grotesquely distort propaganda "racist" is preposterous.

I have not called for the forced integration of bedrooms. I have simply called those that do not seek to marry someone because of their race bigots. If they do it because of cultural grounds that is acceptable, though. I make a distinction between racial and ethnic segregation, although make no mistake about it, I abhor both.

Do NOT try to pass yourself off as some ultra-liberal nice-guy when all you are is an Indian boy in a desperate search for white snatch, at all costs.

What makes you think that I am obssessed with finding a white wife?

The reality is that I am an ultra-liberal. With respect to my views on European-Americans, liberals call me a pro-white "Uncle Tom", and conservatives call me an anti-white racist. Obviously, I must be saying something right.

 

[learningtopimp]

Part of what he says is true...lots of South Asian females do have that mentality, but not all. John, your theories are half-baked at best, and you harbor a lot of self-hate. But that is your choice..

 

[Who is John Galt?]

Please elucidate

Originally posted by learningtopimp
Part of what he says is true...lots of South Asian females do have that mentality, but not all. John, your theories are half-baked at best, and you harbor a lot of self-hate. But that is your choice..

What makes you think I am self-hating?

Indian women might be better but the vast majority of Pakistani women are like that.

 

[Aramas]

Actually I've found that what might be described as a 'golddigger mentality' is quite common in second generation immigrants regardless of cultural background. Most immigrants to western countries are from a lowish socio-economic background and the emigrate in order to have a better life - usually for their children. So their kids are raised with an emphasis on education and the most publicly visible professions, being medicine and law.

They also tend to be much more supportive of their kids - giving a couple a fully paid for house as a wedding present is quite common in some immigrant communities. I have a Serbian friend whose parents both work 60+ hours a week as cleaners - and everything is for him (he's an only child). When he turned 18 they gave him a new car, and when he got married they gave him a house to live in and another as a rental property.

So it's not like they're golddiggers per se, rather they've been raised with aspirations that appear to be in a similar vein.

 

[Ice Cold]

Pointless debate. Most of the people are racially biased anyways and will remain to be so.

 

[Who is John Galt?]

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Most of the people are racially biased anyways and will remain to be so.

Speak for yourself. It is true that most people have prejudices against groups that they deem "the other." However, there is no evidence that this is based on "race". It is very likely that 50 years from now race will be as much a non-factor as ethnicity is among whites in America. 'What makes you think that there is a difference between what happened with white ethnic groups in America in the past and what will happen with racial minorities? America is much more tolerant now than it was then. The transition to a truly multiracial society will be much smoother than the transition to a truly multiethnic society was.

Most immigrants to western countries are from a lowish socio-economic background and the emigrate in order to have a better life

In the USA Asian immigrants are the college-educated elite. They are more affluent than white Americans and are by far more educated than them.

You made several good points Aramas. The problem is a bit worse with South Asians because of the cultural tradition of arranged marriages. Daughters from upper-middle-class and wealthy families essentially expect that when that in their mid 20's their parents will find them a guy with a six figure income who will buy them everything they want.

 

[jakethasnake]

Re: Responses

Originally posted by Who is John Galt?
It is very likely that 50 years from now race will be as much a non-factor as ethnicity is among whites in America.


In the USA Asian immigrants are the college-educated elite. They are more affluent than white Americans and are by far more educated than them.

As for your first comment -- it's too bad that you'll be too old to enjoy any of that in 50 years.


And for your last comment - what a doofus. Do you honestly think that all Asian immigrants are white collar workers with advanced degrees? You see the world the way YOU want to, John, as do almost all people. That's why you paint a very one-sided picture.


Next time you claim to be such an expert on Asian people, check out the Vietnamese gangs in Orange County, CA, and the Chinese cooks in Chinatown. Also check out the Korean grocers in NYC and LA, and also the Japanese/Filipino American farm hands. And the Indian cabbies in various cities. Many of these people just make ends meet.


I've got a question for you -- do you just sit and type this grandiose drivel from a stone-foundation dorm building on an ivy-covered campus? I mean, you're obviously a very educated individual - or rather, one that is in the PROCESS of being very well educated. I say this because although you're very well-spoken (well-written, what have you), your naivety emnates a lack of real world experience. You sound you're in a fvcking nursery with your naive beliefs that you so boldy (and foolishly) proclaim with self-deluded "authority". Hehe.... dude, you sound like a focken textbook on race relations, for chrissakes.

 

[jakethasnake]

And here's a book or two to enrich your overpriced education:



"Asian-American Dreams" by Helen Zia:


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/102-9730772-0916107?v=glance&s=books





"Strangers From a Different Shore", by Ronald Takaki:


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/A...1304070/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-9730772-0916107





"Asian Americans and the Mass Media : A Content Analysis of Twenty United States Newspapers and a Survey of Asian American Journalists", by Virginia Mansfield-Richardson:



http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=sr_1_12/102-9730772-0916107?v=glance&s=books

 

[Who is John Galt?]

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Do you honestly think that all Asian immigrants are white collar workers with advanced degrees?

Absolutely not. I exaggerated to make a point. A large chunk are. Certainly a majority of South Asian immigrants are college-educated. Check this out Mr. Azn Pryder: http://www.asian-nation.org/demographics.shtml

You'll love this: http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial2.shtml

I do not stand alone among Asians.

 

[jakethasnake]

That asian-nation.com site is a VERY nice site, isn't it? I LOVE the debates people get into.


Oh, I don't doubt for one minute that there are many many more deluded banana/oreo Asian idiots like you. They come in all shades of Asian... brown, yellow, pale.....

 

[Who is John Galt?]

Reply

Originally posted by jakethasnake
That asian-nation.com site is a VERY nice site, isn't it? I LOVE the debates people get into.


Oh, I don't doubt for one minute that there are many many more deluded banana/oreo Asian idiots like you. They come in all shades of Asian... brown, yellow, pale.....

Aren't you surprised by the fact that I know that site exists?

Jake, many of us simply do not have a strong link to the culture of the "old country." Some of us have no link. What is wrong with that?

With women like Scarlett Johansson out there I couldn't care less about ethnicity.

 

[jakethasnake]

Yeah yeah... ok whatever John.


Anyway, what did you think of my book recommendations? Are you into Asian-American history or literature at all? Those are all SUPERB books if you want to be able to have similar debates with other Asians (like the one you and I are having). Perhaps after reading it you'll sound more convincing in your arguments. Or maybe you'll shut up, realizing you've been misinformed.


But seriously, check out those books. They are worth every cent, and is required reading if you want to call yourself a person in America of Asian descent, or an "Asian-American" as our half-empty shell of a politically correct name goes. The one by Helen Zia is extremely easy to read, and also highly emjoyable - full of anecdotes from herself and many others. It covers the experiences of all Asian ethnicities in America - including Asian Indians. The last book on my list really fascinates me as I think that the American media SEVERELY abuses Asian-Americans as a group without a media voice - but I haven't read it yet. It seems new, and unfortunately, its' 70 bucks.

 

[Who is John Galt?]

Response

Yeah yeah... ok whatever John.

.S.-Born or 1.5 Generation:
Percentages of the Six Largest Asian Ethnic Groups who are Married to . . .

Asian Indian Americans

Husbands
Asian Indians
54.4

(2,598)
Other Asians
1.4


Whites
34.9


Blacks
2.3


Hispanics/Latinos
4.0

Wives
Asian Indians
62.5

(2,262)
Other Asians
0.9


Whites
27.9


Blacks
3.6


Hispanics/Latinos
1.9



Chinese Americans

Husbands
Chinese
64.5

(5,140)
Other Asians
8.7


Whites
20.0


Blacks
0.3


Hispanics/Latinos
2.8

Wives
Chinese
47.9

(6,915)
Other Asians
6.0


Whites
39.4


Blacks
0.9


Hispanics/Latinos
2.4



Filipino Americans

Husbands
Filipinos
47.8

(4,323)
Other Asians
4.5


Whites
31.0


Blacks
0.6


Hispanics/Latinos
7.7

Wives
Filipinos
22.4

(9,222)
Other Asians
2.6


Whites
57.8


Blacks
5.6


Hispanics/Latinos
6.0



Japanese Americans

Husbands
Japanese
62.7

(6,025)
Other Asians
8.1


Whites
20.3


Blacks
0.3


Hispanics/Latinos
2.9

Wives
Japanese
43.1

(8,769)
Other Asians
4.3


Whites
42.8


Blacks
2.0


Hispanics/Latinos
2.3



Korean Americans

Husbands
Koreans
65.0

(1,393)
Other Asians
5.9


Whites
23.2


Blacks
0.1


Hispanics/Latinos
2.9

Wives
Koreans
20.4

(4,443)
Other Asians
4.4


Whites
65.2


Blacks
4.6


Hispanics/Latinos
2.7



Vietnamese Americans

Husbands
Vietnamese
71.6

(1,430)
Other Asians
5.7


Whites
15.0


Blacks
0.3


Hispanics/Latinos
3.1

Wives
Vietnamese
49.3

(2,079)
Other Asians
4.0


Whites
40.2


Blacks
1.2


Hispanics/Latinos
2.6

Data Source: Census 2000 5% PUMS
(Sample sizes are in parentheses)


Do you honestly believe all these people are delusional and self-hating?

What generation American are you Jake?

Anyway, what did you think of my book recommendations? Are you into Asian-American history or literature at all? Those are all SUPERB books if you want to be able to have similar debates with other Asians (like the o
ne you and I are having).

I have made note of the first two and will probably read them at some point.

With respect to the issue of Asians in the media, I believe we need more Asians in the media in order to be treated equally in that extremely important realm. I don't know about Koreans but among South Asians the professional holy trilogy are "doctor, lawyer, and engineer." In America, South Asians that enter the IT field are somewhat accepted. Everyone else is looked down upon significantly. Is this the case with other Asians?

Asians constitute almost one-fifth of medical students. If we can have a similar disproportional impact on the media imagine how much racism against Asians would be reduced. However, at least among South Asians, this will not happen as the "old country's" holy trilogy is replaced by a mainstream American outlook on career choices.

"Asian-American" is a spurious group like "Hispanic." However, we face the same brand of racism. Since our numbers are small, we must coalesce in order to have a seat at the political table, like Hispanics are starting to do.

 

[jakethasnake]

What in the fvck was all that ****e? I didn't even bother looking at it, coz it's so ugly to look at. But I have an idea of what it is. I've written papers on Asian IR dating too, man. That is probably from an internet link that statistically lists Asian outmarriage rates to whites, broken down by ethnicity and gender. I've seen those numbers before.


Yes, a lot of Asian marry out. Does that justify your dumb beliefs? No. So to hell with quoting those numbers as if you've been deified.



PS:

I am 1.5 Gen. That means I was born overseas but am pretty much 100% acculturated to American lifestyles and values. I speak flawless English and socialize well with most American people, regardless of ethnicity.

 

[jakethasnake]

In retrospect, what I find most offensive about your crap is that you VILLIFY people for having very normal views. You have extremely radical views on race and especially identity. And when others' views of themselves dont' match with yours, you label them bigots worthy of Adolf Hitler's company. I will give you a big FVCK YOU if you belive that, because that's bullshyt.


Your criteria for what constitutes a 'bigot' is extremely vague and all-encompassing. That's why it's a load of crock. I know many people who have friends and perhaps even lovers of different races, but still; they are damn proud of their race and their history as a people. That does not make them sick bigots. You cannot to ANYTHING to change my views' (or for that matter, pretty much the whole WORLD'S views) on this matter. It is set in stone. So don't bore me with your statistics. It's old, and so, SO undergrad.


However, I would be delighted to discuss other Asian-American matters/issues that don't involve the aforementioned bullshyt. Media and Asian American identity, for example.

 

[Who is John Galt?]

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What in the fvck was all that ****e? I didn't even bother looking at it, coz it's so ugly to look at. But I have an idea of what it is. I've written papers on Asian IR dating too, man. That is probably from an internet link that statistically lists Asian outmarriage rates to whites, broken down by ethnicity and gender. I've seen those numbers before.

They were the statistics that were at the second link I posted.

Yes, a lot of Asian marry out. Does that justify your dumb beliefs?

Do you think they are all self-hating and delusional? If you do, perhaps you are the one that is wrong.

I suspected that you are a "1.5" generation American. I have some of those in my family, as well as first and second generation Americans. The second generation is like me. Most of them officially identify themselves as hyphenated Americans but they have zero--I repeat--zero link to the old country's culture. I am not an anomaly. The "1.5" generation is like you. They are accultured but they retain a strong sense of ethnic identification, unlike the second generation. Of course, the first generation has significant cultural ties to the old country and have a very strong dual ethnic identity.

How old were you when you came here by the way?

 

[jakethasnake]

And john, the pressure to study and practice Law, Business, or Medicine is equally strong within the East Asian diaspora, not just the South Asian one. The East always valued mental developement over the physical.


You might believe that all AAs live in this paradise or near-paradise with a bright future where we all are docs/lawyers/businessmen pulling in a solid 6-figure income with beautiful white/black/yellow wives and what-have-you --- but don't you see that you're being shaped by your cultural (Indian) values AS YOU TYPE? Look at you. You're yappin about law,medicine,business, and all that stuff. You're a product of your environment, and as an Indian-American ONE generation removed from South Asia, it still lives in you. It does, believe me. Even if language is lost (usually the first to go), cultural values last two, three, even four generations.


The most ridiculous thing about this debate we're having is that you think you're completely removed from your parent's homeland. I know 3rd generation Asian Americans (Indian and non-Indian) who are more Asian than you. Shyt, I even know one Korean adoptee who is WAY more in touch with his Asian side that you.

 

[Who is John Galt?]

Response

In retrospect, what I find most offensive about your crap is that you VILLIFY people for having very normal views. You have extremely radical views on race and especially identity. And when others' views of themselves dont' match with yours, you label them bigots worthy of Adolf Hitler's company. I will give you a big FVCK YOU if you belive that, because that's bullshyt.

I recognize that the vast majority of people have pride in their group. The vast majority of them are not hardcore bigots. However, I believe that they are fundamentally bigoted in that they believe, regardless of to how little a degree, that their group is the greatest. What do you think they are proud of? Being equal to hundreds of other groups?

However, I would be delighted to discuss other Asian-American matters/issues that don't involve the aforementioned bullshyt.

The feeling is mutual. We have stated our views on the aformentioned issues and we will not change our minds.

What do you think about Asian-American political clout? Will "we" coalesce into a united bloc like Hispanics are Jews from various nations did? If we do we will have significant power do to our economic and academic success--especially in California. If we do not, we will continue to be marginalized. How did you react to Jindal almost being elected governor as a Republican in a Southern state? Did you see him as a fellow Asian-American or a South Asian-American?

 

[jakethasnake]

Re: Response

Originally posted by Who is John Galt?
They were the statistics that were at the second link I posted.



Do you think they are all self-hating and delusional? If you do, perhaps you are the one that is wrong.

I suspected that you are a "1.5" generation American. I have some of those in my family, as well as first and second generation Americans. The second generation is like me. Most of them officially identify themselves as hyphenated Americans but they have zero--I repeat--zero link to the old country's culture. I am not an anomaly. The "1.5" generation is like you. They are accultured but they retain a strong sense of ethnic identification, unlike the second generation. Of course, the first generation has significant cultural ties to the old country and have a very strong dual ethnic identity.

How old were you when you came here by the way?

I don't think all Asians that date IR or are whitewashed are "self-hating". But delusional, certainly. You can fvckin quote me on that, cowboy. In this country, if you're black, you're black. It don't matter if you've been raised by white parents - you're still black. We are irrevocably tied by color (at least until we all become mutts thru miscegenation, as you hope it will) - both by our history and by our current situation. What makes you so sure that you're free from this cultural pattern?


You so sure-footedly claim that miscegenation has "historically proven" to dilute racism. Just as sure, so has discrimination. It has indellibly shaped everyone's mindsets about race and the fabric of society itself. Race is a stain that we can't remove. We must absorb it. For you to think that we can wipe if from our memory and just move on is illogical. And beside, you keep talking about a race-free nation that is FIFTY FOCKEN YEARS AWAY. Okay, boyo. Stop day-dreaming. How about living for TODAY?

 

[jakethasnake]

Re: Response

Originally posted by Who is John Galt?
I recognize that the vast majority of people have pride in their group. The vast majority of them are not hardcore bigots. However, I believe that they are fundamentally bigoted in that they believe, regardless of to how little a degree, that their group is the greatest. What do you think they are proud of? Being equal to hundreds of other groups?

Dude, then your mother and father are raging bigots. As immigrants, they almost CERTAINLY have pride in their Indian/Pakistani traditions and customs. Do you want them to burn in hell too for being disgusting bigots?



And btw, I disagree with how you APPLY your "fundamentalist" view of bigotry to people. I do agree that it's unfair and narrow-minded to believe that you're better than everyone else. But that is just how it is (I swear, it's always the ones with no real world experience that cling to impractical ideals....). It's HUMAN NATURE. We all harbor bigotry in ourselves. You too man. Don't for a minute think that you're in the clear.


Cheering for America in the Olympics denotes bigotry in the nationalistic sense. Preferring one nation's cuisine over the other
denotes something similar. Don't you see this now, John? While your ideals are noble, it's 1000% impractical... completely SILLY, even. You're theorizing your ass off, without thinking about practical real world applicaitions. Bigotry even in its most MINUTE incarnation will ALWAYS exist. Always. Just learn to let that go, and focus on more important issues. You have better things to do with your time and life.