Why "Friends First" Doesn't Work

[Robert28]

a sh1t test is a frame test and a power grab. If you let women disrupt your frame and take the power then she's won. Trying to put you in the friendzone is a classic sh1test and power play. I wouldn't worry to much about it. It's not a big deal.

She can’t have power over you if you ghost her and walk away.

 

[BadBoy89]

I think this idea is more for cold approach.

If you are in close proximity to a girl and just keep being together, being together, being together, she will fall in love and the man hasn’t done anything, Just keep being with her and let her talk. Any girl would want to take her clothes off after a while.

Not difficult.

 

[Robert28]

Yes, but that's blackpill/MGTOW. That's not RedPill PUA. Some of us guys here don't hate women.

You ghost her when she's not following your program, but sh1t tests are normal and can't be avoided. It's actually an indicator of interest if she's testing you. She's testing to see if you're a Lover or a Provider.

That’s not hating women at all. That’s saving yourself a lot of wasted time on one girl who chooses to make things difficult on you when other girls won’t. Her wanting to be friends first or even friends at all is not following your program.

 

[Young OG]

It's pretty simple, just don't be friends with women. If she says friends first then you walk away. It's comply or bye. You want the pVssy, not a friendship. So her wanting to be friends first is her not complying.

Women that are interested in you will make things easy for you and they definitely won't say friends first. Do you think that if Channing Tatum showed interest in a woman, she would say friends first?

There are millions of women in this world, no point of wasting time on women that tell you friends first.

 

[SW15]

It's pretty simple, just don't be friends with women.

I've done this since reaching puberty. Of all the things I've done with women over the years, this is one of the best things I've done.

This is one of the reasons I've had a weak social circle and have either relied upon cold approaching or websites/swipe apps. This has caused me great frustration but has made me able to cold approach.

Having a good social circle does require having some female friends/acquaintances. Having a good social circle will eliminate the need to cold approach or use swipe apps. Depending on circumstances, a man might not need to make many female friends. Geography is the number 1 factor. If a man is geographically fixed (save for maybe going away to college for 4 years) into his 20s/30s/40s, he'll have elementary school friends who are geographically fixed as well, some of whom are women. He might even have a female sister or cousin who lives in the same area and can help him get dates. Regardless of relocations, female co-workers are often a good source of finding dates. The friends of female co-workers can be useful.

While more and more men become monkeys on swipe apps, the wise men are the ones with a social circle. Those men don't participate on SoSuave, but those men represent the largest percentage of men with longer term relationships. However, swipe apps are replacing the social circle as how people are meeting. I think "daygame" is represented through "Met in Bar or Restaurant" (I interpret that as any public place) but I think few couples actually form through daygame because few men do daygame.

 

[firstbornunicorn]

I have female orbiters, I know others that do, most Alpha men do, I'm not necessarily alpha just good looking

I used to think they wanted to hang out because they liked me as a person

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I used to think they wanted to hang out because they liked me as a person

https://ifunny.co/picture/to-grab-something-soft-and-squishy-would-be-nice-my-7UNm9P6p8?s=cl

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Friends first is s decent strategy with coworkers.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Friends first is s decent strategy with coworkers.

Very true!!!!

 

[bat soup]

If you want to date someone, don't befriend them, instead build rapport and strike while the iron is hot.

There's no benefit to waiting on asking out someone you want to date. If you've been friends with her for a while and then later on realize you want to date her, ask her out then. Don't be friends with someone just in hopes of having a relationship with them later.

I think (as many probably do) that becoming friends first is a great way to stay just friends.

Friends first = give me what I want now and I'll see how I feel about giving you what you want later.

 

[Mike32ct]

In theory, I would love friends first. Then there’s no pressure initially when getting to know someone.

But women don’t actually want “friends first.” They don’t want you to bypass the standard vetting process/first date interview. She doesn’t want risk developing feelings for a sub-par guy that she was friends with first.