Why Frame Control is Bull****

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you should care! because what if she is right?

you can smoke as much as you want , but what if your mom is right that you should stop smoking because it will hurt your lungs (according to the laws of nature)

i'm not going to make it a long discussion

according to the laaws of nature, Sh!t is brown, stinky and unpleasant. you can decorate it with strawberries as much as you want but it doesn't change the case.
There is no pre written laws of nature. The point is one persons' beautiful voice is not always anothers. One attractive trait to one person may be unattractive to another and so on. Sure there are trends but overall much of the world especially in terms of relationships and interactions is not some set in stone law, keeping frame gives you the best chance to make the best of whatever you have. Most people gravitate toward leaders, leaders have certain skills and tend to be confident which assures other people. Holding frame is basically assuring other people, making you authentic and building your own confidence rather then questioning and losing positive qualities because you are too worried about the reaction of someone or failing. Holding frame is having faith in yourself, sticking to what you believe and becoming outcome independent, when you are outcome independent you don't worry about a loss, you simply go out and do what's best and let the chips fall as they may.

Frame can't change how you look physically, but don't underestimate how much people communicate through body language. The combination of body language and how you carry yourself and speak are things people take into consideration, you can be butt ugly and frame won't change the actual physical problems you have, but not caring about a certain defect minimizes the negatives and paints a picture that you have more to offer then that, you believe it and a big nose or bad hair is just a small disadvantage. The only way to get that across is to believe it yourself. Women **** test to see if you are fit to lead, not if you have a cute face or nice hair, those things are black and white, the grey area is your frame. You are showing you are a ship that can hold its course in stormy seas and that is what matters, not the asthetics or size of the ship. Not everyone will be interested in that little ship, but no one wants a leaky unreliable ship, so make the best out of your ship and actually be a sturdy ship and don't sway from that.
 

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Imagine a person with a very awful and nasty voice is trying to sing a song. No matter how much he tries to 'hold the frame' I have a beautiful voice, No matter how strongly he is convinced of that frame:
People will think his voice is terrible.

Another example is an old ugly woman who tries to hold the frame that she is beautiful and attractive, does this change your perceptions?
No, you will still think she is ugly.
You are confusing the issues. Frame is not about thinking you are beautiful or rich or handsome, its about always being in CONTROL of your emotions and not depending or waiting for what the other person may want or not want to do.
 

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You are confusing the issues. Frame is not about thinking you are beautiful or rich or handsome, its about always being in CONTROL of your emotions and not depending or waiting for what the other person may want or not want to do.
This right here.

Posters need to stop fu.cking up the basics before posting dribble.
 

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So what? what good does it serve other than being delusional?
Frame Control Theory claims that by using frame control you can pull other people into your own reality and make other people believe what you believe!

If you believe you are the hottest man on earth and every woman should pay you to be able to suck your ****.
What good does it sever if you get slapped in the face by every woman you approach with that frame????

You can't change the laws of nature using frame control.

of course you can choose to not care what other people think of you. and be labelled insane, delusional and narcissistic.
Or you can take the red pill and face the sometimes painful truth of nature.
Ok dude. Considering your beliefs every male out there should give up because either they are too short or their D is curved or whatever.

That's absolutely bull****.

Nobody said that a 1,60 m guy should think that he's 2.00 m tall . But this guy is not bothered of it , he still takes pride on himself. Knowing who you are is what really matters because that's the only way to improve yourself.

I truly believe to the quote " As you think you shall become " . Thinking that you're a miserable shyt ,you will be a miserable shyt.

Great people out there have proved it and are still proving it that if they were still bothered by their weakness and imperfections, they wouldn't had become great at the first place.

Not to mention those with the most weaknesses have achieved greater things than the guy with the 10/10 body and face etc.
It means never give up.
 

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I don't think the idea is to have an ugly voice and then try to delude yourself that you are talented.

You want to develop your voice into a skilled instrument, and THEN you hold the frame by realizing that it has value. Even if your style may not appeal to every listener, you hold your frame by knowing your audience is out there.

You want to out the work in so that you KNOW that you have created something of value. Not just take the lazy way out and delude yourself into thinking you're really something. Because then you're nothing but a joke.
 
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You are confusing the issues. Frame is not about thinking you are beautiful or rich or handsome, its about always being in CONTROL of your emotions and not depending or waiting for what the other person may want or not want to do.
I'm sure he'll still find a way to not understand this and then post yet another contrived and arbitrary "counter" example of the same thing
 

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Frame control = evaluating yourself and being independent of others emotions and evaluations of you. You figure out what you are about, what you will achieve and you go about doing that and don't waver when someone is trying to pick at you or test you.

The key the OP is missing is that who dates who and who ****s who is not determined by looks alone. Having good genetics gives you an advantage in attracting others, it also gives you an advantage in maintaining frame and a confident mindset because you get that attention, you get that head start over someone who isn't aesthetically blessed from birth. So many times the 6'2 quarterback attracts the girl with his physique but often times maintains frame more naturally because they are used to all the female attention and naturally have an abundance mentality. We as men want to **** women based purely on phyisical characteristics often, we see them get a boner and want to go to town. Women work very differently, they naturally tend to follow and we naturally tend to lead, who the **** wants to follow someone who is bull****ting, not confident and unreliable? No one, so that is why holding frame and your mindset shows the women that you are someone of high value, that you can lead and you aren't someone who follows or will let a women walk all over them. Same reason why women get turned on by romance novels and **** like fifty shades of grey, they are turned on and attracted by alphas and its much more about taping that mental **** then watching porn like it is for men. OP is just thinking like a man and not realizing that women are very different.
 

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Also if you accept that women are looking and attracted to leaders then you have to accept that the best way to do that is to maintain frame, not be delusional but be confident and present a picture of someone who has their **** figured out. You have to be committed to the things you say, and if you have a skill at that you have a much better chance to lead people in directions you want them to go. Its not a guarantee you can convince a person that a terrible singer is amazing but in order for you to do that you need to make an impression on someone that they need to follow and listen to the things you have to say. If you don't maintain frame and they can see that you are a bull****ter, you really can't. So if we accept that many women are naturally submissive and are testing us to find out if we are a suitable/partner leader, then you have to realize that once a woman chooses to let us in, and chooses to enter into our world, once we have reached that point we now have the power to manipulate their reality, show them you are confident and believe you are attractive and desired and they will believe it, show them that kinky sex with you is amazing and they'll follow you wherever you want to go. Once you have them you can now take them into their fantasy novel, that's their end goal but the first requirement is to hold frame, they can't believe everything you have to say if they know you don't believe yourself.
 

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I don't think the idea is to have an ugly voice and then try to delude yourself that you are talented.

You want to develop your voice into a skilled instrument, and THEN you hold the frame by realizing that it has value. Even if your style may not appeal to every listener, you hold your frame by knowing your audience is out there.

You want to out the work in so that you KNOW that you have created something of value. Not just take the lazy way out and delude yourself into thinking you're really something. Because then you're nothing but a joke.
Yes but that assumes your style has an appeal and you have an audience. Just believing your style has an appeal and audience doesn't make it so. That's what I object to. I thought most people learned that by their teens or early 20's when you thought you were the sh!t but hardly anyone else thought so and were trying to knock you down. I've been rejected many times with a positive mental frame, and picked up many times with a negative frame. I'm convinced women have no clue what is going on in my mind, and they only respond to appearance and behavior .
 

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I've been rejected many times with a positive mental frame, and picked up many times with a negative frame. I'm convinced women have no clue what is going on in my mind, and they only respond to appearance and behavior .
Having a positive frame or being in a good mood doesn't mean you have a strong frame. And having a strong frame doesn't mean you can pick up any woman either. No matter what it's always a numbers game.

Most communication is nonverbal. So your appearance and behavior are definitely linked to what goes on in your head.
 

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Having a positive frame or being in a good mood doesn't mean you have a strong frame. And having a strong frame doesn't mean you can pick up any woman either. No matter what it's always a numbers game.

Most communication is nonverbal. So your appearance and behavior are definitely linked to what goes on in your head.
All that matters is your appearance. Some people are emotional basket case and can put on good non verbals, and some people are mentally strong but have bad non verbals. Women are primarily selecting men on facial attractiveness. Without facial attractiveness nothing else matters to the women. Facial attractiveness is all that really matters /thread /forum
 

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All that matters is your appearance. Some people are emotional basket case and can put on good non verbals, and some people are mentally strong but have bad non verbals. Women are primarily selecting men on facial attractiveness. Without facial attractiveness nothing else matters to the women. Facial attractiveness is all that really matters /thread /forum
Well there are things you can hide, but there are a lot of things you that you cannot.

Tell a pale skinny dude with lousy posture, bad hygene, a weak frame and no confidence or social skills that facial attractiveness is all that matters. I'm sure he'll be getting laid left and right as long as he has dem facial aesthetics.
 

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Well there are things you can hide, but there are a lot of things you that you cannot.

Tell a pale skinny dude with lousy posture, bad hygene, a weak frame and no confidence or social skills that facial attractiveness is all that matters. I'm sure he'll be getting laid left and right as long as he has dem facial aesthetics.
He could improve his posture and hygiene and would be getting laid. This entirely hypothetical. Guys with attractive faces are at an advantage and almost always are average or better in every other measure. What I'm saying is if one's facial attractiveness is not good enough the rest won't matter to women as they'll be either writing you off as a sexual option at first sight or subjectively perceiving everything else about you in the worst light.
 
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Sure, but you described holding frame while simultaneously having low value. You need both relative value and frame control.
 

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So what? what good does it serve other than being delusional?
Frame Control Theory claims that by using frame control you can pull other people into your own reality and make other people believe what you believe!

If you believe you are the hottest man on earth and every woman should pay you to be able to suck your ****.
What good does it sever if you get slapped in the face by every woman you approach with that frame????

You can't change the laws of nature using frame control.

of course you can choose to not care what other people think of you. and be labelled insane, delusional and narcissistic.
Or you can take the red pill and face the sometimes painful truth of nature.
No it doesn't. You need to re-read 'The Rational Male' by Rollo Tomassi (if you've ever read it that s- wouldn't surprise me if you havent).

You don't understand what Frame Control is.
 

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No it doesn't. You need to re-read 'The Rational Male' by Rollo Tomassi (if you've ever read it that s- wouldn't surprise me if you havent).

You don't understand what Frame Control is.
The book is supposed to come to my mail this thursday. But I was thinking as I ordered it "Didn't Rollo Tomassi posted on SoSuave?". So what's with this, does he has another nickname or something?
 

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The book is supposed to come to my mail this thursday. But I was thinking as I ordered it "Didn't Rollo Tomassi posted on SoSuave?". So what's with this, does he has another nickname or something?
He used to be on here as RolloT I believe. He's not been on for ages.

His book is the true Redpill/ SS bible. If you ever read one thing read that. Forget Mystery and all the PUA nonsense.
 
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