Why even try? Why not just enjoy the date as you please?

[marmel75]

Yes, for the most part you're right. Just enjoy your time with her and get to know her. If the attraction is there she will give you signs to move in for more.

But you need to keep your guard up and pay attention. This will allow you to see any subtle hints about her character, her past, and any subtle manipulation attempts.

This allows you to react to the manipulative attempts to get power over you quickly and successfully, instead of falling for it like a chump.

For example, a girl may say that she is mean to people, but she doesn't know why she is so nice to you. In this case, she is trying to make you feel special so that you let your guard down and become attached, and then manipulate you even more. The harsh reality is that once she has her hooks in you, it is only a matter of time before she treats you mean like everyone else.

No matter what anyone says, past is the best indication of future behaviour. Pay attention to her past. If she slips hints of infidelity, emotional instability, or promiscuity in her past, then be wary of this, especially if it seems recent. These things guide you in the beginning to eventually determine whether the girl is quality relationship material or not.

Overall, the aim to the first few dates is to have a good time, but it is also a grafting process. Pay attention to who you are letting into your life. From there you can decide to leave them, or if you keep them you decide what role they will play in your life.

Stop waiting for signs...signs are irrelevant. This is the problem with most guys...a weak afraid mindset.

 

[Tariqa]

95% of the posters on this board are doing our best to make ourselves better. We're not drones that are depending on games and tactics to bed women. There's a reason for the "Wealth and Success" forum on these boards. Don Juans aren't typical PUAs. Matter of factly, we're doing mostly what you propose rather than the opposite. I figure a more game-based approach would be something like Roosh or RSD. But we're here for the long run and overall strategy to success.

I'm sure all of us are working towards our financial freedom and success. But in the meantime, why not go for the chicks we like? Sure, we can date below or within our means, but that doesn't mean we can't get a taste of the 9s or 10s.

I don't really see any conflict between "filtering" and "game." I think that filtering ties in closely with keeping frame. And frame is game. You make it seem as if high quality filtering is the opposite of game.

Game doesn't mean lack of substance. Nowadays, women are smarter and know when they're being gamed. Success with women has sort of transformed into a mix of charm + social status + finances + IDGAF attitude. Everyone here knows this.

You can go for the 9s if you want. Do whatever you like. What I was saying is focus more on being a 10 vs gaming and bagging a 10. You can invest your energy into being one rather than obtaining one. At least for me I feel that's better. If a 10 comes along then by all means game her, but make them come to you. Allot of rules I read give you tips on her to please her. Fuc that. I don't have time to please anyone and if she doesn't like the way I roll, fuc her. I won't focus any energy into pleasing anyone when I myself am not pleased. That's all I meant

 

[Tariqa]

Why try? Because otherwise you might as well just go out with your guy friends...it's a lot easier, more fun and cheaper.

If she is it with you, you always assume interest and escalate accordingly. Failure at escalating either shows you are unconfident in your abilities or afraid to do so. Stop looking for signs and IOI's and go for what you want.

No bro I don't have the energy to try anymore. I'm using that energy to get rich or die TRYING. Trying for a female? Never again. If she doesn't like the way I operate, she's not the one anyway and I move on.


And trust me there are plenty of 5's that would do anything I say to be with me. I'll just leave that picky 10 for an easy to please 5 who I don't have to try anything to do with. She tries for me instead.

 

[marmel75]

No bro I don't have the energy to try anymore. I'm using that energy to get rich or die TRYING. Trying for a female? Never again. If she doesn't like the way I operate, she's not the one anyway and I move on.


And trust me there are plenty of 5's that would do anything I say to be with me. I'll just leave that picky 10 for an easy to please 5 who I don't have to try anything to do with. She tries for new instead.

We are talking about two different things I think. I'm talking about escalating, you are talking about try to please her. I agree with you...fvck that...my point is if a guy isn't trying to get laid when he is out with a woman They should just do themselves a favor and go out with their guys...way less problems

 

[Von]

But money is power

Thats where you beta....

Reputation is has good has money.... you might not have money but have dozens of people who will do what you say.... that's power.

For the rich... money is nothing... reputation is everything

You could be poor and people follow you.... rich and nobody listen.... who's the alpha... the poor of course cause he got people to take you down.

I only date hb8 + and professionnals (lawyer, doctors, ingeniers) university educated... cause its my level and I want someone who understand my 80hours + work hours, my voluntering, my studies to keep up my business.

Yet don't give a **** about looks now... cause I've been in enough LTR to know look is a basis but not a foundation...

Reputation is above money, money shows succes, reputation delivers. Alpha = confident, hard working, dreamer, goaloriented for me

 

[Tariqa]

We are talking about two different things I think. I'm talking about escalating, you are talking about try to please her. I agree with you...fvck that...my point is if a guy isn't trying to get laid when he is out with a woman They should just do themselves a favor and go out with their guys...way less problems

If you want to get laid and she starts complaining, fuc her. I agree with you. I was just saying, don't try to get laid, just do what the fuc you want in the way you like and if she dislikes it, that is enough to show she isn't the one.

Find the chick who likes the way you escalate not the one who complains. That just shows common interest.

When I say "why try" I mean why exert effort. Let everything come natural and move how you want to move and not how you were told to move because you think there will be better results with some strategy.

Unless you seriously have no idea how to escalate, just do whatever works for you is what I'm saying.

 

[marmel75]

If you want to get laid and she starts complaining, fuc her. I agree with you. I was just saying, don't try to get laid, just do what the fuc you want in the way you like and if she dislikes it, that is enough to show she isn't the one.

Find the chick who likes the way you escalate not the one who complains. That just shows common interest.

When I say "why try" I mean why exert effort. Let everything come natural and move how you want to move and not how you were told to move because you think there will be better results with some strategy.

Unless you seriously have no idea how to escalate, just do whatever works for you is what I'm saying.

I agree...but 80% of the posts in this forum that are what happened with her??? Posts are simply them failing to escalate in date. I actually just posted a thread about not wanting to read anymore of these crying posts when the guys fail to escalate...sick of it.

 

[Tariqa]

Thats where you beta....

Reputation is has good has money.... you might not have money but have dozens of people who will do what you say.... that's power.

For the rich... money is nothing... reputation is everything

You could be poor and people follow you.... rich and nobody listen.... who's the alpha... the poor of course cause he got people to take you down.

I only date hb8 + and professionnals (lawyer, doctors, ingeniers) university educated... cause its my level and I want someone who understand my 80hours + work hours, my voluntering, my studies to keep up my business.

Yet don't give a **** about looks now... cause I've been in enough LTR to know look is a basis but not a foundation...

Reputation is above money, money shows succes, reputation delivers. Alpha = confident, hard working, dreamer, goaloriented for me

Bro I agree with you but we are talking about what women want and women are dumb. They don't care about your reputation as much as they care about you buying them a Mercedes. So in that case, money is more powerful.

 

[Von]

Bro I agree with you but we are talking about what women want and women are dumb. They don't care about your reputation as much as they care about you buying them a Mercedes. So in that case, money is more powerful.

Than i would say: Why you even talking to them.... these women are losers no matter their HB

 

[Tariqa]

I agree...but 80% of the posts in this forum that are what happened with her??? Posts are simply them failing to escalate in date. I actually just posted a thread about not wanting to read anymore of these crying posts when the guys fail to escalate...sick of it.

Lol. I hear you. Gotta treat these women like food. It looks grab just grab a damn plate.

 

[Tariqa]

Than i would say: Why you even talking to them.... these women are losers no matter their HB

Well, that is how our society is these days. Nothing but a bunch of idiots and losers. I just say stoop down to their level and give them what they want. Play stupid along with them

 

[GoodOne123]

Stop waiting for signs...signs are irrelevant. This is the problem with most guys...a weak afraid mindset.

Stop waiting for signs...signs are irrelevant. This is the problem with most guys...a weak afraid mindset.

I never said anything about waiting. You don't wait for signs. They just show up as you get to know the person...

Signs are very relevant. Tell me this, if a woman hints at being HIV positive, are you going to ignore that and put that down as irrelevant? That is a very stupid idea, and a good way to get infected should you risk sleeping with her.

Another example, let's say a woman has cheated in the past, likes to party, and has no LTR longer that 6 months. That is a good SIGN that you are better off not emotionally investing in her too soon. This woman needs to prove herself first, since the past most likely will repeat itself.

Dont be mistaken, this is not fear based. I genuinely don't know where you got that idea from. It's a tactical way to assess and recognise the women you meet. You dont just emotionally invest, commit to, let into your life any girl you meet without assessing her first. That's a very good way to let drama, headache, and heartache into your life. It also helps you differentiate between which girl you shound see casually, and who you should consider an LTR for.

And one more thing, I fail to see what you achieve by talking in a condescending and disrespectful manner, as if you're above me somehow. Just incase you didn't know, you are not immune to the drama and pain the wrong woman can bring to your life. No one is. The way I do things is to eliminate this wrong type of woman, or to keep her at a distance. I prefer to keep my life with as little drama and pain as possible, that's the motives behind the way I do things, not fear. We are here to give constructive advice and our respectful viewpoint so we can all improve, not talk down on eachother.

 

[marmel75]

That's not a sign of interest...I'm talking about waiting for signs of interest.

That's information...big difference

 

[GoodOne123]

In that case, feel free to go in for the kiss close when the girl clearly isn't into you. It's personally not the way I do things.

If a girl gives me no eye contact, keeps conversation to one word answers, looks around and not at me, and is ready to leave, I take that as signs of no interest and move on. I wouldn't want to keep trying like an idiot, and look like a clueless fool. I've got too much respect for myself to do that when I know deep down it is pointless. I speak from experience.

All you can do is make an advance and see how she reacts. If she reacts positively then that's a sign to carry on, if she withdraws and acts cold, that's a sign to stop. Otherwise if you don't, she might just run away calling the cops on you...

 

[marmel75]

In that case, feel free to go in for the kiss close when the girl clearly isn't into you. It's personally not the way I do things.

If a girl gives me no eye contact, keeps conversation to one word answers, looks around and not at me, and is ready to leave, I take that as signs of no interest and move on. I wouldn't want to keep trying like an idiot, and look like a clueless fool. I've got too much respect for myself to do that when I know deep down it is pointless. I speak from experience.

All you can do is make an advance and see how she reacts. If she reacts positively then that's a sign to carry on, if she withdraws and acts cold, that's a sign to stop. Otherwise if you don't, she might just run away calling the cops on you...

I wouldn't go for kiss closes I would go for kissing in date after I escalated via kino. If you wait for kissing at the end of dates it's just wasting opportunities.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

I just think 'like your self, live a life you love.' If you are doing that then you'll be living a life you want and women will become less important (but more interested in you).

Let's stop wasting our precious time and energy worrying about women and how to get them.

 

[MrWiggles]

If you're tired of it and don't want to do it anymore then don't. Just do whatever you want but I dont think your case or what you are talking about is the same for EVERY guy out there. Maybe you are a 7 ( just an example) and you are ok with 7's and want a ten by getting rich. It could happen or it cant. Same with another 7 that wants a ten by doing it another way. It all works out differently for different guys but either way you are saying you dont want to try with women but you want to get rich bc that will certainly bag a 10. Isnt that trying?

 

[Dhoulmagus]

If you're tired of it and don't want to do it anymore then don't. Just do whatever you want but I dont think your case or what you are talking about is the same for EVERY guy out there. Maybe you are a 7 ( just an example) and you are ok with 7's and want a ten by getting rich. It could happen or it cant. Same with another 7 that wants a ten by doing it another way. It all works out differently for different guys but either way you are saying you dont want to try with women but you want to get rich bc that will certainly bag a 10. Isnt that trying?

I still don't get how magically having 5 million dollars in the bank is suddenly going to get me more lays unless I'm flaunting it like a pro athlete in a club? Retaining a girl after the first encounter is a completely different argument, but getting dates or one night stands is what I am saying. I lied on tinder and said I was an aerospace engineer and it still didn't get me ****.

 

[MrWiggles]

I still don't get how magically having 5 million dollars in the bank is suddenly going to get me more lays unless I'm flaunting it like a pro athlete in a club? Retaining a girl after the first encounter is a completely different argument, but getting dates or one night stands is what I am saying. I lied on tinder and said I was an aerospace engineer and it still didn't get me ****.

I dont know since I dont personally have 5 million dollars but who knows maybe youll start carrying yourself a different way with that much money. My point was that being rich isnt the fast track to women like every guy says and having game isnt the magic bullet to every piece of ass either.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

I dont know since I dont personally have 5 million dollars but who knows maybe youll start carrying yourself a different way with that much money. My point was that being rich isnt the fast track to women like every guy says and having game isnt the magic bullet to every piece of ass either.

But according to ops post, girls are Initially either attracted to you or not regardless of game.