Why do you want a "relationship/gf?"

[JayAce]

Rotations and or relationships have lost their appeal to me at the moment. Risk of catching something, going through the hassle of actually meeting a cool chick, etc. I’m not MGTOW by any means. But right now just focusing on my career and hobbies seems a lot more appealing.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

That's a good observation. So how do you choose your hookers? You go by what vibe or feeling you get from them? How much do you usually spend?

I dont like hookers. This energy is present in "non paid" females too.

 

[corrector]

I dont like hookers. This energy is present in "non paid" females too.

Okay so there is no good hooker. That would be an oxymoron.

As for thr other non paid females:

Good or bad energy? I am assuming bad.

 

[corrector]

I also told my exwife the fword. Maybe saying the fword in combination with seeing a hooker later unleashes all the bad energy against me. Hookers visited when divorce proceedings were initiated. If I did not tell my ex wife to f off then maybe no attack would have happened.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Okay so there is no good hooker. That would be an oxymoron.

As for thr other non paid females:

Good or bad energy? I am assuming bad.

Its bad unless you need her to rob someone for you or dig for info.

 

[Hal9000]

I did the plate thing for three years. It was great to build confidence and get back in a good place sexually after a long marriage. However, it becomes exhausting to have a dozen women texting you all the time, wanting booty calls, or a +1 to an event, or whatever. I found that I gradually got down to two or three. Now I'm down to one and its amazing how much free time I have in my day now. If I was a young guy it would maybe be different but I'm pushing 50 and couldn't keep doing that forever. I'll admit it can be quite addicting once you figure it out and are with a different woman almost every night of the week but at some point it seems like there is a bit of diminishing return, from a fun perspective.

 

[logicallefty]

I prefer a LTR over plating or FWBs. I've done all of it, many different times. I find that the sex gets better with the same woman. As I get older I have less motivation to go out specifically looking for new women or doing OLD. So the only way I will meet new ones is by chance. Just if I happen to meet one in the course of whatever else I am doing, like if I am out with friends, at the store, working, etc.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I prefer a LTR over plating or FWBs. I've done all of it, many different times. I find that the sex gets better with the same woman. As I get older I have less motivation to go out specifically looking for new women or doing OLD. So the only way I will meet new ones is by chance. Just if I happen to meet one in the course of whatever else I am doing, like if I am out with friends, at the store, working, etc.

When your not worried about women your free to worry about other things.

 

[Epic Days]

If you really like the woman, why would you ruin it by making her your wife or LTR?

 

[Sponty]

Days like this where I am sick, I'm coughing and choking and spitting up flem. I once had an arabic girl that would draw a nice hot bath for me and add herbs to the bath for healing effects. She would then massage my whole body while in the tub and prepare my bed with a nice dinner. She would rub me down with oil and just make sure I was taken care of while sick.

Seems to be the only time I am missing a real relationship is when i am at my weakest and knowing someone was there to strengthen me at my worst.

 

[bcude]

Days like this where I am sick, I'm coughing and choking and spitting up flem. I once had an arabic girl that would draw a nice hot bath for me and add herbs to the bath for healing effects. She would then massage my whole body while in the tub and prepare my bed with a nice dinner. She would rub me down with oil and just make sure I was taken care of while sick.

Seems to be the only time I am missing a real relationship is when i am at my weakest and knowing someone was there to strengthen me at my worst.

She sounded like a keeper! What happend?

 

[gettinit]

If you really like the woman, why would you ruin it by making her your wife or LTR?

I have been married and never "thought"that I was ruining anything. We had some great years, but alcohol became her demon. She was what everyone on here describes as a quality woman. The booze just got the best of her. Before her, I had a rotation going (usually 2 and occasionally 3) but it eventually became a management nightmare I caught a (thankfully) curable STD so I decided to just take a break. I hadn't realized how much a rotation controlled my life. Once I met my future wife, I just continued doing as I wanted and she came along for the ride. Some here might call me crazy, but I would have trusted her with my life,

Now, I no longer need to create an abundance mind set to mind **** myself into thinking that not giving a **** will keep me living happily ever after. I actually enjoy a deeper relationship and would rather wait for that than juggle a harem. I just tactfully make my boundaries clear. As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing ruined unless YOU let it happen (with the exception of her lying, cheating or having mental issues). If something bothers you, let he know. As long as you aren't being a total a**, it gets worked out.

All that said, I don't really have any interest in getting married again and I make sure to make that clear. Not because it would ruin things, but instead because I no longer see the point of doing so. If a woman isn't ok with that, so be it and on to the next. If she is, it removes a huge layer of complication and moves some benefits over from the rotation column to the LTR column.

 

[Sponty]

She sounded like a keeper! What happend?

The minute I got engaged to her and put a ring on her finger, she started becoming abusive and tried to punch me a few times. I had fear in the future I would lose my cool and knock her out. Seemed best to just end the relationship.

 

[corrector]

The minute I got engaged to her and put a ring on her finger, she started becoming abusive and tried to punch me a few times. I had fear in the future I would lose my cool and knock her out. Seemed best to just end the relationship.

I see that this is strengthening the LTR camp but weakening engagement/marriage. Its as though some women have time-sensitive bombs inside them that go off whenever you take on that level of commitment.

 

[gettinit]

The minute I got engaged to her and put a ring on her finger, she started becoming abusive and tried to punch me a few times. I had fear in the future I would lose my cool and knock her out. Seemed best to just end the relationship.

Ummmm..yeah. The first scene of the s*itshow Chronicles. I'm sure that it had no chance of getting better, no matter how good the trailer looked.

 

[Glassguy]

Heres another factoid. Most guys wont take time away from Gf /wife. Is they are scared and needy.
Why cant you treat your wife like a plate? What's holding you back? Afraid of the state? Or losing her??
Cant get another? Got oneitis??

There's no difference. You can have it all. You just dont believe in yourself.

Lol. Ok pal

 

[Epic Days]

I have been married and never "thought"that I was ruining anything.

So it was amazing sex and communication the whole time. Interesting.

Why would a rotation be work? Aren’t they coming to you? Do you feel obligated to do things with them or for them? If so, it’s not really a rotation. Women are for sex. Or do you need companionship, togetherness, completeness, etc etc?

Here is what I am seeing. Men going into the idea of a “rotation” with their programmed responses and thinking still locked into the feminine imperative.

 

[RickTheToad]

I took offense to your statement because it sounded like you are making a mockery out of my experience after visiting those hookers. I did actually visit a shrink back in February 2015 once the acute symptoms abated and I was left with residuals. I don't have money for either hookers or a shrink there is no point if the only starting point is a day after visiting a hooker.

Look at the absurdity of your statement in context of this thread. You are advising people to stay away from casual sex because of antibiotic resistant STDs, and that LTRs are a safer bet. You are advising me to see a shrink, for what? That I can be enabled to visit hookers and feel comfortable that I won't get demons from them, or maybe even start a lifestyle of casual sex because my religious beliefs, which you regard as fiction, is keeping me back from having all that fun?

That is allot of gymnastics. It's allot easier to have just ignored what I said and take that as an additional point that, hey, casual sex is a bad idea, whatever.

People will always think they can get away somehow from catching an STD. Before I visited the two hookers I was aware of STDs and that didn't stop me. However, had I been aware that I would have got a severe demonic attack afterwards then I would have thought twice or maybe not visited. At the end of the day, you could always take a chance with STDs and even do a cost-benefit analysis as to the risks involved and the reward pay-off. Maybe you would just cop-a-feel, or have outercourse or some other sexual activity that doesn't involve penetration or just have a bear hug with a naked woman, whatever.... The point is, once you add devils into the equation, then this is something that doesn't have a solution since you can't protect yourself from that.

Yet you want to convince me against one of the only barriers against visiting hookers by trying to convince me that devils transmission from hookers is not real and all in my head, and by extension, it's okay to have casual sex without worrying about the devil? Why take a side against casual sex then?

Has nothing to do with you visiting hookers. My comment was because you stated you can catch demons. That is why I stated you needed mental help. Demons only exist in movies dude. Hookers are everywhere.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The minute I got engaged to her and put a ring on her finger, she started becoming abusive and tried to punch me a few times. I had fear in the future I would lose my cool and knock her out. Seemed best to just end the relationship.

She probably did you like that cause you were a "nice guy". So theres the story of Ray Rice wife married him after he knocked her out. I figured while to the normal world this is really effed up perhaps she respected and forced him to defend himself. And in that she could respect him.

 

[gettinit]

So it was amazing sex and communication the whole time. Interesting.

Why would a rotation be work? Aren’t they coming to you? Do you feel obligated to do things with them or for them? If so, it’s not really a rotation. Women are for sex. Or do you need companionship, togetherness, completeness, etc etc?

Here is what I am seeing. Men going into the idea of a “rotation” with their programmed responses and thinking still locked into the feminine imperative.

Until she started drinking heavily, yeah, good (and imaginative) sex, good communication, limited to no BS. I had coffee served to me in bed EVERY morning. She had a well paying job, wasn't lazy and took care of her business. As far as feeling obligated, some things just come with the territory, but I just won't do things that i won't enjoy at all. That courtesy was reciprocated. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all glitter and laughs. Everyone has disagreements unless you are emotionally crippled or afraid that someone will leave or be mad if you anger or disagree with them.

As far as rotation, the work was scheduling, like finding time for more than one plate, double booking or cancels. being able to actually plan something weeks out (had a few days away set up, we broke it off and I couldn't line up a replacement on short notice), f-ing up on text replies to the wrong one and more. I actually do enjoy the companionship of a woman, especially where I don't see motive for a hidden agenda like marriage, financial support or kids. If it can actually be discussed for what it is and its a place that you want to go, its not ALWAYS a bad choice if you go in eyes open and not due to pressure. I think that the divorce rate being so high is due to people not being honest with or true to themselves and instead bowing to social pressure. A recipe for disaster.

I don't need anyone to complete me and am more than happy to hang out with myself. As far as women only being for sex (feel free to correct me if I read that wrong), part of me feels sorry for you, but everyone has their viewpoint and that seems to be pretty extreme to me. Why not just get a hooker and eliminate most of the downsides of an LTR or Rotation? Just as there are different levels of men, from weak/manipulative to strong/kind, I believe that the same applies to women. The key is having the ability to figure out which is which. Having been burnt my share of times, I think that I have gotten pretty good at it, even though some are pretty damned good at covert manipulation tactics. One worked me for years. She was a pro and it f-ed me up pretty good. It took a while for me to get my head straight again. Another lesson learned and life goes on.

Rotation is just that and I see it as having absolutely no desire to do anything but drive to the lay and ride it until she does something that you deem as a violation and replace her. Rinse, repeat. Mixing that with a desire to convert a plate to an LTR (if that is what you mean by the feminine imperative) is a fools game. If you think that I'm beta because I enjoy things other than a rotation, so be it. Its just how I roll.

Wow, this post turned into a book. I wonder what the skim/read ratio will be?