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I'm having trouble motivating myself to improve any more...in women, in my career, in my life.

I'm in this mindset now where everything seems trivial and unimportant. I COULD put a sh!tload of effort into trying to make changes in my life, but my life seems so inconsequential in the grand scope of things that I have trouble motivating myself to do anything.

So what motivates you? Why do you do the things you do to make better men out of yourselves? What significance do you derive from your life that makes you feel like being "more" than you are right now is something worth putting in extreme effort?
 

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mr_elor said:
Okay, I look to improve mostly at uni, and also with women at the moment.

Uni wise I'm on a games course (yeah I'm a big geek, I hide it well though :p), and my eventual aim is to be one of the greatest games designers in history. Whne people mention GTA, Metal Gear Solid, Mario, Sonic etc, I want at least one of my games to be mentioned in the same breath. I have no desire for fame, however when news spreads that I'm working on a new game I want people to be excited in the same way they do with Shigeru Miyamoto and Hideo kojima. I don't want to just be yet another designer working on FIFA 2012, I want to one of the greatest ever. I won't settle until I have something to prove that I am one of the greatest, if not THE greatest.

This isn't out of ego or through wanting to show off, it's me wanting to make something major out of my life. When I'm dead and buried I want to know I've made some kind of significant contribution to the games industry. I accept nothing less than to strive to be the best, and that's what motivates me. Not settling for second best like the other chumps out there.

Women wise I want to improve simply because it's an area of my life I feel I'm lacking quite a bit in. I've laid some good foundations to improve on, now I just need to put the work in (more sarging etc). What keeps me going is the knowledge that eventually I'll be able to walk into a room, and be confident that one of them is coming back home with me.

Ultimately you need aims to keep you going, never settle or be content. Find something to keep you going. Something that excites you, gives you reason to live, goves you purpose.
Eventually, people will bury those systems in the attic somewhere in favor of new games. Video games are great when they're first released, and then are swept aside in favor of the next "big thing". Why are you driven to make that statement?

I understand why people do things, what things they want on the surface. I just wonder what makes them want those things...what makes those things IMPORTANT to them.

I understand and respect your "purpose"...what I'm getting at is more, "why have that purpose?". What is the point of having a purpose when you're only one speck in a vast universe and will be gone in a couple decades anyway?
 

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Most people's "purpose" and reason for doing things stems from two base desires (and no, this isn't a new concept and I didn't come up with it):

1. To gain pleasure
2. To avoid pain

At the root of everything, is those two desires. Everything that anyone has ever done can fit into those two statements in some manner.

The question that YOU must ask yourself is this:

Am I doing this to avoid pain or am I doing this to gain pleasure?

You see, the most miserable people in this world and the ones who are constantly wondering "why should I do this?" and what not, are the ones are are constantly just doing things to avoid pain or (a better way to put it) to "get by".

The HAPPIEST and most successful people are the ones whose focus is on gaining pleasure. These people recognize that there is pain in not getting what they want or staying where they are until PUSHED along by pain, so they proactively go out and do what they have to do to stay ahead of the game.

The question, then, that is on everybody's mind is this:

How do I shift my focus from avoiding pain to gaining pleasure?

The simple answer is that there is no simple anser to that question. It's an answer you have to come up with all by yourself and it's a realization that you have to make. And sadly, 99% of the people who make this realization only make it after MASSIVE failure and pain. But at least they finally make that decision.

So, perhaps your motivation should be to propel yourself into massive pain so that you'll get off your butt and go after what you want.

Maybe that sounds a little ****-eyed, but the truth is most people are driven by their failures and their pains, and only after being plunged into massive pain do they ever really react. It's sad, it really is, because you CAN push yourself to do things for pleasure without facing pain, but most people never do. Most people have to hit rock bottom first.
 

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Goals.

I do what I do to get where I want to be.

If you don't know where you want to be, you'll have a hard time doing anything.

Talk to someone about "getting somewhere in life". Many don't have any goal besides "getting somewhere".

Well, where is somewhere, exactly? Over there? *points across room*
 

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Vulpine said:
Goals.

I do what I do to get where I want to be.

If you don't know where you want to be, you'll have a hard time doing anything.

Talk to someone about "getting somewhere in life". Many don't have any goal besides "getting somewhere".

Well, where is somewhere, exactly? Over there? *points across room*
That's just it...to achieve a goal, you need some kind of motivation. The loftier the goal, the more motivation is necessary.

There are lots of things in life I'd "like" to do, but that casual motivation, the "dabbling" attitude where something isn't "must-do" but more "let's-try-this" has never been enough to allow me to set and maintain lofty goals.

It seems like a major waste of time to set lofty goals when you can't really come up with a good motivation for setting and maintaining those goals. That's where I find myself all too often. Asking, "What's the point? Why am I trying to better myself? I'm already almost 30 years old...what are my accomplishments going to be good for when I'm dead and gone?"

I sometimes find others' expectations and approval/disapproval to be powerful motivators, but without those people's constant presence, that motivation falls away. I start to realize that I'm doing things not because I want them, but because someone else wants them and I feel inferior if I do not follow suit.

I'd "like" to succeed. I don't "need" to succeed. That kind of motivation is powerful enough to take the same steps that "normal" people do, but it isn't enough to propel me to be "extraordinary".

So what if I build an extraordinary physique. I'm not going to be a prizefighter, I'm not going to be some kind of supersoldier. Why am I bothering to build muscles that I'll never use for anything worthwhile?

So what if I can become a chick-magnet? Most of these chicks come and go. All I'm doing is providing temporary relief for my ego. I'll likely end up with one of them anyway and even if I don't what does it really matter? Why build those girl skills?

So what if I become wealthy, if I can sit out on my yacht and be brought drinks by my monkey-butlers...the experience is inevitably short-lived. I grow old and die like anyone. What's the point in amassing all this wealth I can't take with me, having experiences that necessarily end, putting in blood, sweat, and tears to build a fortune and then wishing I had back all the time I spent acquiring it so I could make use of it?

Essentially, if you're going to die anyway, what's the point of living? Isn't it just p!ssing into the wind? As Shakespeare says, "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"?

I don't understand what joy people find in life. Even when I put my mind to doing something, when I finally accomplish it, the feeling is always less than I expect, and it's always over way too quickly and seems trivial in the scope of the rest of the world and the universe. People who are motivated to accomplish things always seem to be chasing shallow and trivial things, no matter how noble or great they or those around them see them to be.

THAT'S what I'm getting at. I feel like achievement in general is just a friggin joke sometimes. People make things out to be big deals, things I do or accomplish...to me it's just living life, and I feel like the fact that they make it out to be a big deal is just indicative of just how ignorant they are, how much emphasis they place on trivial things. EVERYTHING is trivial.

It's a very nihilistic attitude, but what REALLY makes an experience or achievement valuable? What makes it WORTH pursuing? THAT'S what I don't understand. I often feed off of the motivation of others, but when it comes to ME, sitting by myself, everything just seems so pointless.
 

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squirrels said:
...I don't understand what joy people find in life. Even when I put my mind to doing something, when I finally accomplish it, the feeling is always less than I expect, and it's always over way too quickly and seems trivial in the scope of the rest of the world and the universe. People who are motivated to accomplish things always seem to be chasing shallow and trivial things, no matter how noble or great they or those around them see them to be.....
Therein lies your problem. You've been accomplishing goals without establishing your personal purpose in life. Without purpose, life has no meaning; it's just an existence. If you are just existing there is no need for motivation. Existence is limbo, a black hole, an empty room without light. Find your light.
 

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congratulations. you have just reached the most important moment in your life.

the moment where you realize that everything in life is bullsh*t really. like that dude says in the gladiator movie "we are but shadows and dust".

this is the moment where you no longer are part of the herd. where your life finally becomes YOURS.

and your attitude isn't nihilistic, its apathetic. and its apathy that has resulted from insight into the nature of life. the nature that hollywood movies don't tell you. the nature that AFC 'i just want to f*ck some *****' don't see. its the reason why people chase after power and then abuse it when they get it.

the hardest thing about growing older is realizing that none of the things you've done in the past will lead you to an apex of satisfaction. and none of the things you do in the future will either.

life is pointless. but in a way that is an opportunity. if its pointless then you can do whatever the h*ll you want to do!

look, most people in life aren't smart enough, nor do they have hte luxury, to concern themselves with the 'point' of life, they are too busy surviving. look at hte credit card debt, failed marriages, addicts, criminals, etc. - these are all people who blindly tried to find SOME reason, meaning or purpose to life (or failed to as it may be).

one thing i have learned in my 32 years on this planets and its this - all that there is that is of any interest in this world is a challenge. it doesn't really matter what that challenge is. but a man only feels as though he is alive when he is tackling a challenge or doing something he loves (and the two are usually the same).

your apathy, while arising out of insight into the true nature of life, is also a function of the society we live in where nothing is done with any sense of meaning. everyone is chasing after the mighty dollar, trying to capture that better life, trying to reach that moment where they can say 'hey, my life meant something.'

unfortunately for 99% of folks out there that day won't come. you can be a doctor, a lawyer, a taxi driver, etc. - you can save a life, but there will always be another that needs saving tomorrow, you can win a case but there will just be another one to try tomorrow, you pick up a client drop them off and then go pick up another one.

life is routine for 99% of folks out htere. for the 1% for whom its not, they tend to either be criminals or successful artists, scholars, or business men.

but why should you be motivated to do anything?

i would argue the motivation must come from simply a desire to entertain yourself. why work out and build muscle? simply for the challenge. why get a job and try to be the best you can at it? simply for the challenge.

why do anything? simply for the challenge.

now, should life be this way? no it shouldn't. in truth it should be more about having family and good friends and working so that you can enjoy time with them. but unfortunately in the west your average human has become so sheepish in thought that family and friends often seem like more like actors in a play than authentic relationships.

anyway, we were all sold a bill of goods as kids that when we grew up life would be interesting and exciting, only to find out that for the most part its just boring old routine. and i don't care what your job is. if you're a porn actor its got to get boring after a while. i mean, after banging your 1,000 wh*re, banging wh*re 1001 wont get you out of bed singing sh*ts and giggles.

its this apathy as well that causes so much of the destruction in life. terrorists blowing up f*cking buildings primarily because they are bored with their life. so they invent a war against the Great Satan (ie. the west) and rally up a bunch of other bored kawk faces and stir up some drama to keep everyone busy and entertained.

anyway, just look to shakespear for the truth "Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more; it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

so now you got a choice. slowly sink in to a state of depression, latch on to the idiotic ideas that the rest of the world uses and get yourself a nice double D boob job and tummy tuck, or pick a few challenge and start busting your ass to succeed at them.

you aren't the only one to feel this way. in fact, if you look at most geniuses in the world (and im not saying you're a genuis, but who knows, maybe you are) the pointlessness of it all drives them made. i mean, look at how many brilliant minds end up committing suicide or addicted to drugs and OD. the list is endless. and we're talking of brilliant people who were rich, famous, admired, they had the proverbial "all", and yet it didn't fill the hole inside them. they could never shake the awareness that ultimately nothing they did had any true meaning, no matter how much the world admired them. the geniuses who dont off themselves are the ones who simply love what they are doing, and they'd love it whether people admired them or not and whether they made a dime at it or not.

for further insight on life and hwo to live it i'd suggest you read some of the stoic writers from around 100 AD - 200 BC, seneca and marcus aurelius and good reads. they talk about this issue a lot.

also feel free to msg me to discuss further if you'd like.

otherwise, my best advice is to learn to be "ok" with the fact that nothing has immortal value, that all things are born and then die and are forgotten, and to see that as a liberation to do with your life anything you want, to embrace any challenge you desire to embrace.

if you get lucky you'll be able to make a living at it, maybe find a good wife, get a nice home, and at least die in comfort. because after all, we are all in the process of dying. :up:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Therein lies your problem. You've been accomplishing goals without establishing your personal purpose in life. Without purpose, life has no meaning; it's just an existence. If you are just existing there is no need for motivation. Existence is limbo, a black hole, an empty room without light. Find your light.
It may seem kinda nihilistic, but isn't the idea of having some grand "purpose" for your life somewhat pretentious? The whole idea of "purpose" seems like a lot of strutting and posturing.
 

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naw.

your problem is the same as anyone who comes to realize the utter absurdity of the human condition.

theres a reason why everyone in the world is so f*cked in the head! its because ultimately life makes no sense and then you die.

i try to see life like a day at disneyland. i mean, just because i wont be going to disneyland tomorrow doesn't mean i shouldn't enjoy it today while im there!

although for many life is more like working at the themepark, and having whiny kids and fat women wanting to take their picture with you in your daffy duck custome and watching everyone else get on the rides and enjoy themselves.

hehe.

i guess for most retirement is when life becomes like disneyland (or at least htey hope it does).
 

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oh and by the way. women aren't stupid. they see, if only on a subconsciously level (like most men as well) the meaninglessness of things.

which is why for them their 'challenge' becomes landing the best guy they can and having kids. this is what for most women gives their life 'meaning'. the better the guy they can get, the closer they get to acheiving that rockwell painting - white picket fence, 2.5 kids, a dog named muffy and a cat name pussnboats or some sh*t.

if you ever wonder why women test you, its because they are testing to see how you handle stress - as that is typically a great indicate of how successful and stable you will be in the future. and they want to know this because it will tell them the probability that they will be able to say one day "look at me and my perfect family".

its also why 10 years in to marriage, if they dont have that they start self destructing (usually in the form of busting their husbands balls). and thats when... ding dong... the divorce lawyers are here.

hehe, gotta love life :)
 

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To me the purpose of life is to improve myself to the point that I can further the life of any child I have.... yes I know I will be crushed if I suddenly become impotent, but I can still adopt. I want to make money and have fun in the meantime before I take on the responsibility of being a parent.

Even more, I care about others more than myself. If I see a person that harms others, I stand up to them. If I make a joke about harming others I apologize before anybody tells me they are offended. I will help others, because in turn if I ever need the help they might be more willing to help considering I helped them in the past.
 

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squirrels said:
It may seem kinda nihilistic, but isn't the idea of having some grand "purpose" for your life somewhat pretentious? The whole idea of "purpose" seems like a lot of strutting and posturing.
Purpose doesn't necessarily need to be some huge undergoing. It's not as if it's some goal which once achieved you feel that you need to automatically do something more impressive; doesn't that seem pretentious.

"Life is an effort that deserves a better cause."
 

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Hey Francisco,

This has nothing to do with this thread but "Who is John Galt?"
Oooooohhhhh...... Search the forum for posts within the last month or two by someone with that screen name. You may reconsider asking that question. :whistle:
 

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squirrels said:
I'm having trouble motivating myself to improve any more...in women, in my career, in my life.

I'm in this mindset now where everything seems trivial and unimportant. I COULD put a sh!tload of effort into trying to make changes in my life, but my life seems so inconsequential in the grand scope of things that I have trouble motivating myself to do anything.

So what motivates you? Why do you do the things you do to make better men out of yourselves? What significance do you derive from your life that makes you feel like being "more" than you are right now is something worth putting in extreme effort?
You need to develop new perspectives and learn that your life is only as unimportant and trivial as you choose to make it. What are your strengths and what are your values? Look for ways to blend those strengths into something you really believe in. If you are creative and have an appreciation for beauty and are good at motivating others and believe that the arts are important you could explore becoming active in rallying support for museums, galleries or art and music in public schools. (Just an example)

Are you motivated by money, recognition, a sense of purpose? The best way to overcome where your thoughts are right now is to really look for ways to tap into your undeveloped potential and find a way to combine that with your values and strengths to find something you will not only succeed at but also believe in and enjoy.
 

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See, life is like hiking trip in the woods. If you don't have a destination, you just wander around and get lost. But, if you have a destination, you'll refer to your compass and periodically get/keep yourself on track.

Some people stare at their compass while walking through the woods out of fear of getting lost.

Others never check their compass and get lost.

You have to have, find, or make a balance between enjoying the scenery, stopping for rest, diversions, sidetracks, and plain old "head down, nose to the grindstone" effort.

Relax. Get lost on purpose. Sleep in late. Take a break. Go fishing. But get up one morning, pull out the compass, and get back on the trail.

No trail?

Make your own.

See, if you have enough woods/survival skills (life skills), you can fux around all you want and get by having a good time. Hell, you don't even need a desitination if your destination is the woods - get it? You're already there! Look around! What motivation do you need?

Those without these "life skills" plow through life scared and lead miserable "by the plan" lives - their focus only on the compass. These people usually walk right past their destination and never know it, so they keep going... never happy with "where they are at", just following the trail.
:nono:

I find myself in your situation often. I reaccess my goals all the time. Sometimes I just need to take a break. I call it "coasting".

I'm actually coasting right now. Just chilling. Things are on hold because of my situations. Eventually, I'll wake up one morning with a ray of sunshine up my ass and get back on the trail... but I just don't feel like it right now - I'm too busy with diversions, and I'm enjoying where I'm at.

Motivation? That's looking behind you to see what's ahead of you. That is trying to explain why the future WILL happen.

The moment you popped out of mommy's vag, there you were. What motivated you to come out? Right, it's not about that at all.

Now, what are you going to do? Get a prescription for some motivational meds because you are a victim of something? You are going to wake up tomorrow and have the same bleak thoughts again? Or, are you going to drop that negativity trip and adopt a more positive outlook?

Sometimes the littlest sh!t motivates me. A soft breeze, a bird singing, thunder, the smell of gasoline, stink on my finger from last night... Motivation is just a smile on your face, so put one there.
 

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personally, I think your chief problem is living in Baltimore. Man, that place sucks the life out of me for sure.

more seriously... so far we've seen several proposed sources of purpose in multiple guises:

- hedonism - you must move from avoiding pain to maximizing pleasure / satisfaction

- nietzschean will to power - if you are greater than all the rest, when you realize this you will embrace your destiny and speak with greatness.

- rand's objectivism - if embrace your humanity if you recognize that you are heroic, your own happiness is your only moral beacon, and productive achievement should be your goal.

i see all three as essentially flowing from the same self-centered logic.

bonez offers two other (in my opinion more intriguing) possibilities:

- finding purpose in nuturing off-spring (an anti-hedonistic position)

- finding purpose in putting others' interests before self interest (an anti-Nietzchean position)

I find your conundrum/malaise fascinating (hmm that sounds excessively voyeuristic, that's not quite how I mean it), b/c I've watched the questions you are asking lead committed theists to atheism and committed atheists in the opposite direction. There is something about asking fundamental questions of purpose that is extremely unsettling (we could easily explain this via psychology, but that's not my interest and I suspect the explanations are tautological) but generally leads people to lasting insights. I would encourage you to pursue this question, and not just with a bunch of anonymous internet posters.
 

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Stupid thread with Great replies

What is the point of having a purpose when you're only one speck in a vast universe and will be gone in a couple decades anyway?
Compulsion

life is routine for 99% of folks out htere. for the 1% for whom its not, they tend to either be criminals or successful artists, scholars, or business men.
I guess this is the reason I have no idea whats so relevant about this post NOR do I understand people who don't pursue things that make them happy. I have tons of friends who hate their job and are getting married for no reason..WHY !? i don't understand that kind of behavior ?? there needs to be a motivation for (almost) anything in life.

I understand why people do things, what things they want on the surface. I just wonder what makes them want those things...what makes those things IMPORTANT to them.
Wrong ! you don't understand Jack Shit ! you probably lived your life achieving things OTHER PEOPLE wanted you to achieve, after you succeeded, you realized you were living someone elses life NOT YOURS..so here you are on sosuave...like a weak ****aroach in a pink skirt.

I'm having trouble motivating myself to improve any more...in women, in my career, in my life.
Thats because you've probably let your career and success with women DEFINE YOU as an INDIVIDUAL, but I guess like joekerr31 said, theres alot of sheep er.. people out there like you.

It may seem kinda nihilistic, but isn't the idea of having some grand "purpose" for your life somewhat pretentious? The whole idea of "purpose" seems like a lot of strutting and posturing.
help me make the connection...HOW IS HAVING A PURPOSE IN LIFE BEING PRETENTIOUS ? are you saying if people didn't have someone to show off to..there would be no purpose ?

I'm in this mindset now where everything seems trivial and unimportant.
Are you looking for reasons to stop living or are you getting lazy ?

So what motivates you? Why do you do the things you do to make better men out of yourselves? What significance do you derive from your life that makes you feel like being "more" than you are right now is something worth putting in extreme effort?
Motivation isn't about making a better man out of yourself.
 

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Get out of yor comfort zone.

Well there are many philosophical and insightful posts already so I'll just give a tip.

Do something that absolutely SCARES THE F*CK OUT OF YOU!

You will find a new source of energy coz even a momentary dose of absolute fear will make survival instincts kick in.

You will be snapped out of your malaise.

JJ
 

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Drum&Bass said:
Wrong ! you don't understand Jack Shit ! you probably lived your life achieving things OTHER PEOPLE wanted you to achieve, after you succeeded, you realized you were living someone elses life NOT YOURS..
I already said that. What're you getting at?

so here you are on sosuave...like a weak ****aroach in a pink skirt.
Why all the hostility? That's what happens when I pose the question to most people...they become hostile. What is it that's making you uncomfortable?

help me make the connection...HOW IS HAVING A PURPOSE IN LIFE BEING PRETENTIOUS ?
Because in the grand scheme of things, your existence is meaningless. Look at the great Roman emperors. All that's left of them is ruins and history books. They built these giant empires and did all these good things for the world, and now they're dust in the wind like everyone else. The great entertainers, they're passed over quickly for the next big thing. The rulers and world leaders...they vanish next into obscurity. And the truly enlightened, people like Gandhi and MLK...they'll be forgotten too. Eventually the human race itself ends and there's no one to remember what you've done.

To imagine some "purpose" for yourself and then act as though that purpose is somehow "important" and not just a delusion to justify you living a life that will eventually end and be for naught anyway...that's what seems pretentious. "Purpose" just appears to be another kind of ego...another imaginary facet to people's imaginary being. That's what I mean by "purpose is pretentious".

That's why the question is "why?". What's the point behind any of it?

This forum talks about how to get women out one corner of its mouth, and out the other it talks about how women are a waste of time and not worth pursuing. Which is it? If women aren't important, why have whole websites devoted to pursuing them?

If I claim to have "purpose", I feel like I'm strutting around like an idiot making a big show out of something insubstantial that exists in my imaginary perception of life. Who am I fooling but myself?

Are you saying that fooling myself is what I SHOULD be doing?
 

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