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The problem with these AFC's that are with good looking wives/girlfriends is they're probably all being cheated on! Is that what you want??

The point is, according to this site, these attractive women aren't even supposed to be with these AFC guys to begin with. They were supposed to have blew them off when they had first met them, or ran from them at the first onset of when they started displaying AFC characteristics during the relationship. But that doesn't seem to be the case in so many of these instances. We hear of all these "alleged" stories on this site of how the guy started acting AFC several months into the relationship, and because of that, she left him. But I really don't see that to be the case the way it's hyped out to be on here.

Laugh all you want, but a lot of this picking-up/scoring hot women stuff is pure FATE. You can have a guy doing everything right, being a text-book definition of an Alpha and this site, who still gets hardly any play. The only play he gets from attractive women, is from time to time, like myself.

 

[Warrior74]

LOL. now the truth starts to dawn.

Remember Attraction is not a choice? Well what if she is used to being a princess and having everything her way? AFCs would seem damn attractive to her wouldn't it?

 

[backbreaker]

not so much fate, but there is a whole nother dynamic that this site misses completly when it comes to women.

You have 3 basic t ypes of women. and mind you this is something I learned before I came here so bare with me.. you have a freak, a ***** and a good girl. no woman is just one, most/all women are combinations of all the 3, with one standing out more than others.

The reason I bring that up, is it's not FATE that the smokin hot woman is with the AFC guy, it's because the man in that instance meets what she is looking for. All you see is AFC. He might have a pretty nice gig and have a pretty decent future/career lined up. You see AFC she sees life ticket. the fact that he is a mealticket outweights the fact that he has super AFCness going for him. A hoe doesn't say "man, he makes 100k a year, but you know what.. i can't do the calling 10 times a day".

You might see AFC, she might see a guy who is a pretty famous or well known, meeting the dynamic she is looking for at that time. she wants to be popular though him.

all the DJ skills in the world do you no good if you are gaming the wrong type of woman. you take a woman who is a GG, one who is looking for a man to spend the rest of her life with, and all the spinning plates can go out the window, she will have none of it. not becuase it's wrong per say but becuase the only way she can phathom being in a relationship is being one on one with a man.

i can go on and on, but there is more to it than FATE.

look at my Ex oneitis, the chick that brought me here. She's actually married now, believe it or not. damn i've been here too long.

now, you saw her on the street, you would say "damn, she's smokin hot.. what is she doing with that AFC" . you might say fate. coming from someone who knows this girl like the back of his hand, it's anything but.

she has super low self esteem. why I don't know. but she does. Daddy issues. Anyway, she won't, can't date a man who does ont look up to her, for the fear that he might leave her one day. That would kill her ego and for her every relationship is nothing more than a constant ego stroke. every moe she makes is to get you to stroke her ego.

She also is a news anchor at the biggest TV station in little rock now, and guess whose daddy is the vice president of the news station? OMG I'm shocked! would you imagine she was an intern for 4 years until she started giving it up to his son and OMG like it was FATE she got a news anchor gig! OMFG I can't believe the FATE in that!

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yeah.. fate my ass.


My GF now is a pretty goog girl with some hoeishness to her. not a lot. but enough to where it makes a difference. I would break my GF down as 70% GG, 25% hoe, 5% freak.

I'd break my Ex down as 80% Hoe, 10% GG, 10% Freak

 

[STR8UP]

Excellent way to put it, BB.

You know, we discuss this whole "good girl" thing about once a week, but I have never heard anyone break it down in that way.

I think saying that every woman has a varying percentage of each in her might make it easier for more men to swallow. If I say "Every woman is part ho" I catch flak. But if you throw in there that every woman also has "good" in her, it's something that the masses can tolerate.

And this whole "fate" thing.....don't even get me started. If a woman is with you she is with you for a reason. might not be a GOOD one, but there's a reason behind it nonetheless.

A chick dumped me for an "AFC" awhile back because she wanted to get married and have kids, and she knew it wasn't gonna be with me, so I can relate to your story about your ex.

 

[backbreaker]

Excellent way to put it, BB.

You know, we discuss this whole "good girl" thing about once a week, but I have never heard anyone break it down in that way.

I think saying that every woman has a varying percentage of each in her might make it easier for more men to swallow. If I say "Every woman is part ho" I catch flak. But if you throw in there that every woman also has "good" in her, it's something that the masses can tolerate.

And this whole "fate" thing.....don't even get me started. If a woman is with you she is with you for a reason. might not be a GOOD one, but there's a reason behind it nonetheless.

A chick dumped me for an "AFC" awhile back because she wanted to get married and have kids, and she knew it wasn't gonna be with me, so I can relate to your story about your ex.

a trick I learned.. hoe's are the easiest to spot, not becuase they are with fat rich guys, but becuase a hoe, a real hoe, has no problem telling you what she's about and will make absolutly no qualms about it. I mean, tasetfully of course, but she won't beat around the bush.

My Ex oneitis will tell you the reason she is with him is because of his connections and his daddy has money. she will tell you that her interest in me grew once i got a little money. she will tell you if you are a broke guy, you can be james bond and it wouldn't matter. she's about the money.

most women have more tact, but they still make it known what they like in a man.. i.e money/security.

i never dated my old oneitis .. we had sex a couple of times, but never dated. towards the end I could have.. but the whole thing was just bad (or good ) timing. when I was an AFC hard she wanted nothing to do with me. once i woke up and got out there spinning plates she made it known she wouldn't mind settling down and she was the last thing on my mind.

 

[Papillon]

Gentlemen
I think everyone is right. Sometimes there is just pure fate. Sometimes there is a good reason. Sometimes just sheer luck. Sometimes just blind attraction. As long as we keep working on self-improvement we should not worry too much. That alone, is already a huge accomplishment.
Nevertheless the original post was about women hitting us where and when it hurts most. I may inadvertently have derailed the discussion by mentioning the AFC thing. My bad. My intention was just to relate to the original post and bring the point that women may be more controlling than we think they are. And AFC’s are sitting ducks for such behavior.
Do women hit us where it hurt most? Yes they do.
Do they nag us just for sport? Yes they do.
Do they play the sex card to get something? Yes they do.
And so on and so on. That is because they are controlling and they like it. And I think it is just how they understand to “contribute” to the relationship, to validate themselves as being helpful (in their mind).

 

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a trick I learned.. hoe's are the easiest to spot, not becuase they are with fat rich guys, but becuase a hoe, a real hoe, has no problem telling you what she's about and will make absolutly no qualms about it. I mean, tasetfully of course, but she won't beat around the bush.

My Ex oneitis will tell you the reason she is with him is because of his connections and his daddy has money. she will tell you that her interest in me grew once i got a little money. she will tell you if you are a broke guy, you can be james bond and it wouldn't matter. she's about the money.

most women have more tact, but they still make it known what they like in a man.. i.e money/security.

And as I've said before, there are also quite a bit of attractive women who are with AFC's who DON'T have money too. I've seen it, and I still see it. Even Papillon has made mention of that in this thread. If FATE can't explain that, then what does?

Back to these gold-diggers and your ex, I'd just like to ask you a question regarding them. Would your ex and the rest of these gold-diggers still sleep with a guy who is broke, or keep him around as a f*ck buddy from what you've been able to see? Or will they disregard them for that purpose as well?

 

[SoCalMike]

"disrespectful, unsupportive women" ,,,yep, and the more you younger guys tolerate this crap, the more crap you will catch. Women are doing this because they CAN.
Put a stop to it by leaving her.

**exactly** That is what I keep telling dudes. Stop tolerating her crap, and she'll stop doing it.

Women, in many ways, are like children. If there is no punishment for their bad behaviour, they will keep doing it.

Dudes should be thanking me, because I have set my share of women straight by dumping their asses and hurting them badly when they resort to unacceptable cvnt/AW behaviour. They will think twice about doing that kind of thing next time.

Example: the bar b*tch I next'd last week for trying to turn our planned sushi date into a "hang out with my guy friends" at bar date. I had this ***** sobbing. Not that I enjoy or want that, but sometimes hard lessons must be learned. You think she'll do that kind of crap again, next time she has a date planned? Not likely... the next guy owes me one.

 

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Then there's also the theory on here(mentioned by Rollo T.) that these attractive women get involved with AFC guys, because there aren't enough DJ's out there, so these attractive women have no choice but to "settle", because there is too much competition. Now that sounds like a reasonable explanation to me, but the problem herein with this, is that, if that is the case, then why am I still having difficulty getting play from attractive women(remember, I only get play from attractive women from time to time) especially since I don't act anything like an AFC? You get what I'm saying? If anything, I should be way ahead of the game.

Now do you guys see why I talk so much about FATE and DESTINY?

 

[SoCalMike]

And it's said women don't like AFC's ....Bible, your friend is displaying AFCism pretty hardcore, yet his wife still stays with him. This seems to be the case with a lot of guys out there. That's why, I'm becoming more of a believer by the day that there are no "rules" when it comes to attracting hot women. I used to be a hardcore believer when I first came to this site that virtually ALL AFC's got no tail. Well, I've sure thrown that belief out the door. Then you got a guy like me, who displays no signs of AFCism and who's good-looking on top of it, who has quite a bit of trouble bedding hotties. Go figure man. Like I say, D E S T I N Y. Some are destined to score no matter what they do.

Like the song goes:

"Some guys have all the luck
Some guys have all the pain
Some guys have all the luck
Some guys have nothing but the pain"

I'm not sure what song those lyrics are from, but it's so true.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Many hot women want a chump they can kick around. They see a good looking guy like you or I, who HAS BALLS and won't allow such behaviour, and they avoid us like the plague.

Happens to me all the time bro. There is a hottie I work with now who flirts with every dweeb at the office. She flirted with me when I first started here.

But during Halloween, she asked me to help her put decorations up. Most chumps were working like slaves for her, hoping to get a little attention or maybe even a shot at her nookie. I told her that I can't, because my boss would get pissed if he saw me doing it and I had a deadline, which was the truth, not an excuse.

Ever since that incident she has avoided me. Why? I didn't reject her offer to help with the decorations in a harsh way, in fact I even apologized for not being able to. But still, she saw it as a sign that I'm not easily manipulated, that I'm too much trouble. She'd rather have the AFC's who cater to her every whim and make her feel like a princess. A guy like me reminds her that although she has great tits and a pretty face, in the end she's just another woman. She doesn't like being reminded of that.

See how it works?

 

[backbreaker]

And as I've said before, there are also quite a bit of attractive women who are with AFC's who DON'T have money too. I've seen it, and I still see it. Even Papillon has made mention of that in this thread. If FATE can't explain that, then what does?

Back to these gold-diggers and your ex, I'd just like to ask you a question regarding them. Would your ex and the rest of these gold-diggers still sleep with a guy who is broke, or keep him around as a f*ck buddy from what you've been able to see? Or will they disregard them for that purpose as well?

i can write a laundry list of different things that attract women besides money. i used money because it was the first thing that popped to my head and I had a real life example of it.

I'll give you another real fvcking story. I aught to start a segment called "real fvckin stories"...

this girl was about a SOLID HB7. Very very cute. not smoking hot but she's doable by pretty much anyone's standards. now, her best friend was dating a guy who wasn't rich, wasn't ugly but wasn't particully good looking, and while not like KING AFC or anything, wasn't by any stretch a DJ. Still lived by the same AFC mantra as most people.

BUT. The guy she stated, was pretty popular. alot of people knew him. Alot of people. but he was broke as a joke. worked 2 jobs.

Long Story short, this girl basically seduced the guy, fvcked her frineds BF and he broke up with her for the new girl. Now this new girl, who got tired of looking at her friend in the spotlight with her BF, now SHE is the girl in the spotlight. she is the girl with the popular BF. now SHE is a star.

she's literarly, an attention *****. literarly. but to you all you see is an AFC and a pretty hot woman.

She had a need. she wanted to be popular. the quickest way for her to be popular in her mind was to **** Friends BF and steal him , so at that time, this RANDOM ACT OF FATE played out.



Hell i'll take it a step father. I"ll use my mom. yeah momma.. i'm calling you a hoe! just playin momma.. in case you somehow find this forum. My mom is not poor. she makes 6 figures. so it's not about money. My mom is a pretty attractive woman from what I'm told.. I mean I don't look at momma like that. She's dated some attractive guys. But when she decided to get MARRIED, she chose a guy who while, not rich, has a very stable job, is overweight and is an AFC to the core. But my mom is a relgious nut and she found a guy that was just as religous as she was.

My mom is actually a perfect example. My DAD could come here and give lessons. Natural Player. I pale in comprison to the amount of ass my dad STILL pulls. and I mean quality ass and he's what.. 48. My mom and dad get along Great actually, they are really good friends to this day.. but my mom won't go there with him, regarldes sof how hard he tries, and he has put on the full court press at various times, because my mom is a pretty quality woman, doesn't cheat, makes good money and is attractive. doesn't have abuse problems or antyhing like that. and she won't or wouldn't have anything of it beucase "my dad doesn't have god first in his life"

That is another reason that FATE played a roll. again, sometimes you just have to dig deep, but there is always, always a reason for the season.


i can go on and on with examples. it's more than just money.

 

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Actually it makes perfect sense. Many hot women want a chump they can kick around. They see a good looking guy like you or I, who HAS BALLS and won't allow such behaviour, and they avoid us like the plague.

I don't know man..I see what you're saying, but it's very hard to believe.

 

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Backbreaker, I asked you before, guess you missed it...back to these gold-diggers and your ex, I'd just like to ask you a question regarding them. Would your ex and the rest of these gold-diggers still sleep with a guy who is broke, or keep him around as a f*ck buddy from what you've been able to see or have heard? Or will they disregard them for that purpose as well?

 

[jophil28]

Actually it makes perfect sense. Many hot women want a chump they can kick around. They see a good looking guy like you or I, who HAS BALLS and won't allow such behaviour, and they avoid us like the plague.

I have seen this a lot in the workplace. This happens frequently when a woman is looking to build a "fan club" to use for her own convenience. She mixes in just enough flirty behaviour to mislead the guys into believing that she is "interested " in them, one at a time. SHe does this to hook them in and then uses them to satisfy her whims and wants while giving nothing back.
She thens extends this behavior to her social life because it works.
However if you do not play her game she will slam the gate on you.

IT is a scam and a common one . IT is dishonest because of the implicit promise which she holds out but with NO intention to fulfil.

 

[jophil28]

Ever since that incident she has avoided me. Why? I didn't reject her offer to help with the decorations in a harsh way, in fact I even apologized for not being able to. But still, she saw it as a sign that I'm not easily manipulated, that I'm too much trouble. She'd rather have the AFC's who cater to her every whim and make her feel like a princess. A guy like me reminds her that although she has great tits and a pretty face, in the end she's just another woman. She doesn't like being reminded of that.

See how it works?

That is exactly how it works with a lot of attractive women.
And that is why many of them do NOT date alpha guys and instead hook some chump who fawns over her and believes that he is "so lucky" to bask in her radiant glow.
The Alpha guys do NOT get all the girls.

WE only get the girls who WANT an Alpha guy.

 

[SoCalMike]

That is exactly how it works with a lot of attractive women.
And that is why many of them do NOT date alpha guys and instead hook some chump who fawns over her and believes that he is "so lucky" to bask in her radiant glow.
The Alpha guys do NOT get all the girls.

WE only get the girls who WANT an Alpha guy.

Yep. I have seen this time and time again: hot girls who want to be the boss in the relationship, so they only date AFCs. And sometimes AFCs are good looking so they figure why not? A prime example of this scenario is Brad Pitt/Angelina Jolie. It is clear who is the boss in this relationship, whenever you see pics, it's always Angelina leading Brad around, walking in front, etc. And all those kids? Common, I doubt it was Brad's idea.

Trust me fellas, if you're wondering why that AFC gets the hot girl, this may be the answer.

Test it: next time you see hot girl with AFC, who is the boss in the relationship? Almost invariably it's her. Once you've established that, ask yourself: is she the kind of girl you can picture being the submissive one in a relationship? Can you picture Angelina Jolie in the submissive role? No way.

 

[SoCalMike]

I have seen this a lot in the workplace. This happens frequently when a woman is looking to build a "fan club" to use for her own convenience. She mixes in just enough flirty behaviour to mislead the guys into believing that she is "interested " in them, one at a time. SHe does this to hook them in and then uses them to satisfy her whims and wants while giving nothing back.
She thens extends this behavior to her social life because it works.
However if you do not play her game she will slam the gate on you.

IT is a scam and a common one . IT is dishonest because of the implicit promise which she holds out but with NO intention to fulfil.

Another example of this: a friend of mine who owns a tattoo shop. He's a decent looking guy, works out regularly, has his own business, and lots of exposure to hot young women. He does get his fair share of tail, but there are also many hot girls who come into that shop who clearly HATE him because he's not a AFC.

To be specific, one incident I witnessed: a hot chick came in looking for some ink. He was polite, gave her his price for the work. She tried to lowball him, saying she was broke, blah blah...

She figured since she was hot (and very much so), that he could be manipulated into doing it for cheap. She kept trying to persuade him, batting her lashes, looking cute, saying "pleeeease can you hook me up with a deal?", and so on. When this didn't work, she stormed out, saying to her friend that he was a "ripoff" and "greedy".

If my friend were an AFC, she would have got the tattoo done for less, and my friend MIGHT have had a shot at her pvssy. So, another case of AFC gets the girl (or at least might).

It all goes back to what we keep saying: women act this way because so many guys tolerate it. The AFCs of the world can actually make life hard for the DJ's because of this: they keep demand high for selfish/b*tchy women.

 

[backbreaker]

i just had like... one of them moments or something. Like a apmhaomy or whatever the hell it's called....

your friend socal mike... the reason she walked out had nothing to do with guys tolorating it. when she walked out it's because she put her only worthwhile currency out there as bait, he looked at it, said thanks..but no thanks. That is how she is reciving that entire ordeal, so it hit her direclty at her.. you guessed it.. her


EGO

So now you have to ask the quesiton and dig a little deeper. Whose fault is it? It's not socal mike's friend becuase he didn't put it on the table.


the hot *****, regardless of how hot she is, can't take it personally when a guy doesn't take to her advances. At least not THAT personally as above said hot *****. A woman who puts herself out there like THAT and then gets mad when you don't stroke her ego, has problems and isn't worth being with in the first place.

So in turn, I suppose holding your ground weeds ****s out from real women.

let's take the above situtation the opposite way. let's say socal mike's friend was a raging AFC. he not only discounts the price.. gives to her for free. and puts some extra effort into it. is a masterpeice of a tattoo.

Let's Say somehow someway he musters the nerve to ask for her number. Let's say she gives it to him. Do you think she does so because she wants to **** him? Probably moreso out of politeness.. I mean the man does have a needle in your skin and did give you a free tat. and he's not half bad looking. "I could do worse".

So this guy goes to socal mike and says "man I got this hot b!tches phone number and I'm going on a date!" So you say congrats man.. way to get the tail. So you see her and you are like okay.. she's pretty hot.

But that's ALL you see. you don't see the situtation behind the whole ordeal. you dont' see the going out of business sale he had to go just to keep her in the door. you don't see the self defeating acts he had to proform to get her phone number. you don't see just how much she really could give a damn that she is on a date with this guy. All you see is this HOT Girl with this raging AFC and using Bush logic you say AFC=HOT Girl, why Can't I get said hot girl?


I guess what I am saying is that looking at a situtaiton like that and trying to rationalize it by saying "well some women like AFC's.. therefore it really is a plus to be an AFC" is like going to Sesame Street and trying to talk quantom physics.

 

[ZenGodMod]

I believe the core matter is that we have to learn to put first our inner player and take care of them. It is EGO that is core to the destruction of men. I don't like how we somehow want to point fingers at women and blame them for our own self destruction. In this battle of the sexes we lost and the blame is ours.

I say this because I get tried of posts that rhymes with "isn't funny how women blah blah" it still shows we haven't accepted what we have become, so any action against it would not lead anyway. Interceptor is right, we first have to accept ours and be happy with ourselves or do what ever it takes to be happy with ourselves like accepting our own insecurities.