Why do we work so hard for so litte?

[Genos]

Yeah, I know you shouldn't be a dancing monkey, I was putting that somewhat sarcastically. Although if you watch Tyler's videos, he does come across a bit as a dancing monkey, even though he will say you shouldn't.

The point is, the man must initiate, usually. Whenever I see those nature shows on birds, it always reminds me of humans. The female sits back while the males take turns putting on their dances in the hopes that they get chosen. It's the same thing that DJs do, no matter how smooth and indifferent they are. They approach the girl and put in their bid, and if the girl likes the show, she'll accept. Same with the birds.

I don't believe it's so simple. I believe it was Roissy who said the pinnacle of seduction is allowing the seduced to believer they are the seducer (or something along those lines).

Parallels can be drawn between animal mating practices and humans, certainly; but the dynamic is definitely not the same. After a certain point, it will be the female who is more attached, and will give up her control - she will pursue the man to keep his affections.

Pook also talked about this notion of 'control' in the interactions between man and woman. True control is being able to approach someone you're interested in - women very rarely do this (especially the most beautiful ones). Even if a girl really likes you, she will rarely, if ever, actually begin escalation with you and to take things further (for various reasons). As a man, we have control to begin the interaction - nothing can occur, whether it be rejection, sex, love, etc. unless we initiate the interaction first. Rather than looking at it as a chore, think of it as a privilege!

Even if we are just birds flocking to a female bird, so what? It is how Nature works. To be a woman is to be WANTED, to be a man is to WANT (Pook again).

Just my 2c based on my readings

 

[Poon King]

I think a lot of people missed the point of the question.

I am asking why we have allowed women to be elevated so high that we are thrilled to get the smallest things from them that require almost no effort on their part.

Men built society to make women happy. And women ask for more. We have made life so easy for the female that they actually think lying on their back and being "nice" to people is "work".

I guess the real question is.. why have we given women so much power over us?

 

[Starwolf]

I guess the real question is.. why have we given women so much power over us?

I wouldn't say they have power over us, it's just natural for men to seek out women.

granted 50 years a go it was much simpler. Get a good job, work hard and usually that was enough to get a good woman. BTW it's still like that in 3rd world countries...

In western society things have changed so much that we are forced to seek out new ways to get what we ALWAYS have been doing. The goal is still clear..only the path has changed!

Our parents, media, songs, movies, magazines etc. all still teach us the traditional ways but it does not work! and because it's so part of your belief system you cannot help but feel frustrated that you have to relearn and forget everything you have been told about women.

We are running an OLD Operating System that does not work anymore. So Now we are simply building our new OS from Scratch and fixing bugs along the way.

Embrace it!

 

[backbeat]

And I'm talking specifically about women. Look at this site. Look at all the reading material about how to "game" women and all the PUA stuff. Look at all the strategies, long threads, sleepless nights, cold approaches, etc. Look at all the money spent on cars, clothes, food, etc. to impress women. Look at all the hard work we put into impressing women. Look at all the fist fights, murders and confrontations with other men over b!tches.

Now with that said.. what do we get in return? Some good sex? Some arm candy? Some fleeting respect?

Women want the earth, moon and stars from men just so they can spread their legs and show some respect. Think long and hard about that last sentence. Then compare the efforts.

How much effort does it take a woman to lye on her back and open her legs? How much effort does it take a woman to be nice and submissive? Compare that to the effort it takes a man to be "alpha" or "successful".

Why do we as men work so hard for so little?

da hoes dont come easy for u playher_man? u beta fagg@t

 

[Nikar]

Because most women are ugly, so if you want any quality woman you must earn it, there is a lot demand for it inflated by porn/media.Guys watch all this pretty porn models/stars and want same level of quality.
You can get woman easily just not the woman you want to have sex with.

Man, THIS. I need to frame this holy quote up in my room for good. Blow it into a A0+ size typography poster. Most epic **** I've ever read in a long long time! :rockon:

 

[Blusher]

Are you a girl pretending to be a boy?

I'm a grown up man who doesnt spend time whining about how "mean" women are to men. I try to see both sides to every stroy and avoid generalizations.

The line of "argumentation" isnt very strong to say the least.
If someone doesn't frame m/f relationships in adversarial terms, you question their masculinity. How do you think you come across in doing this?
Confident and detached? NOT.

Men built society to make women happy. And women ask for more. We have made life so easy for the female that they actually think lying on their back and being "nice" to people is "work".

Would you care to substantiate your statement?

Picking up girls, having sex or relationships with great girls can be so easy.

Jurry nailed it:

Shouldnt be this hard guys, if you're not enjoying it and meeting fun girls you're doing it wrong.

 

[Zarky]

OP: Testosterone produces dopamine, which is a reward-seeking chemical. The more dopamine gets squirted around your brain, the more you strive for rewards.

So to answer your question, why do we work so hard for so little, it's biochemistry baby.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

uh huh

 

[skinnyguy]

I really want guys to stop wanting sex so bad.

When I think back on my 20s I think why I was such an AFC: oh, it was because I was thinking about getting laid all the time!

Guys like Dhoulmagus are caught in this trap and can't seem to get out of it. Sex in the media has made things worse, not to mention the fact that girls are just game players these days.

If you can focus on something more productive than puss, women won't have power over you anymore.

 

[Meisterman]

I think a lot of people missed the point of the question.

I am asking why we have allowed women to be elevated so high that we are thrilled to get the smallest things from them that require almost no effort on their part.

Men built society to make women happy. And women ask for more. We have made life so easy for the female that they actually think lying on their back and being "nice" to people is "work".

I guess the real question is.. why have we given women so much power over us?

For pu**y. I'm not saying it's right or should be that way, but that's why. Guys will go head over heels for the chance at getting in a girl's pants, primarily because our genes make us that way.

Woman have always been able to select and choose their own mates, while the males must compete with each other to prove worthy of being the 'alpha male.' It's like this with all species in the animal kingdom, and humans are no exception.

However, you throw a bunch of ugly cows in the mix, or take the chance of getting pu**y out of the equation, and all of a sudden they stop being pedestalized like you speak of. So the reason is pu**y.

 

[Poon King]

If more men stopped viewing women as prizes... the over the top standards of women would drop in a flash.

We assume a lot in our culture - we just gulp down cultural norms and societal propaganda without questioning it. And then we wonder why our lives have gone wrong - why bad things happen to us for no apparent reason, and why we are so unprepared for bad things to happen in our lives - when they are often predicable events.

Allowing your life to be destroyed over p*ssy is something mostly western men do. In some eastern countries were women are not as elevated as they are in the west.. you see men thinking a lot more clearly and acting less gay.

Even on this thread.. you see responses from a lot of men who see being a slave to your d!ck as something to be proud of. This is why western women run over men in the U.S. like road kill and have little respect for men.

Who respects someone who works hard for peanuts? If a man is doing any of the things I listed in the OP just to attract women then he is a supreme beta. And even many so-called "alpha males" are in fact betas. Not because they work hard and reach high status.. but because they only do it to get women.