Why Do We Feel We Know So Much?

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It amazes me that people bother to post what are controversial and obviously lockable threads. I learned my lessons early on, although I'm sure like me, people still try to sneak them through for awhile before a lock. But seriously...politices, religion, world events, faith, race? Come on. For all the perceived advancements that we've experienced, we're still largely ignorant, stupid, and unwise.

What's perhaps MORE shocking, is that we presume to KNOW, as if we have the EXPERIENCE of living and doing what it is we know. And many of us doing the KNOWING are in the mid-20's, when it's more regurgitated stuff, or third party information at best. I mean, unless you're doing the work, or the research, or are there, it's just like copying and pasting it into the text boxes here. Sure, great, your brain is big enough to assimilate what you read and perhaps form grammatically correct, cohesive sentences. Yippee. It still won't change peoples' minds here, and moreover, you're still as ignorant as anyone else on the planet.

What brought this on was viewing the vast amount junk posted in Anything Else that comes from people presuming to KNOW, but having not LIVED, and offering it as some CREED that we should now believe. I've always ascribed to a belief that...listening to someone's advice gets you what they've gotten, so be wary of FREE advice from people you don't it from. Same goes for this sort of website...you'll get stuff based on the beliefs of the guys here. Some can spin stuff better, but using the example of investing, if Guy A says mutual funds are good, and Guy B says Real Estate is good, you'll get whichever guy you pick to emulate. Other factors not considered, is that what you want of your life, or should you just figure it out on your own, since you're the only answering for how you lived anyways?

Who does it behoove to listen to some of the gibberish out there anyways? Some, will abide by what they demean is complete logic, and ascribe to evolution or forms thereof. Other's, can quote scripture like I can quote Borat. Who's to say who's right, unless one of these groups IS God, or A god? Or metaphorically speaking, the SUPREME truth. Funny, all science aspires to be THE ONE, and all religion tries to do the same...coincidence or a link? But it isn't all about god. Politics, too.

We stand on the CUSP of politics. What people think they knew, and what actually happens is so far off it's nuts. You're not there, you're not in their heads, like most humanity, your information comes from the tv, newspapers, books, media, interviewers, and the like, and here, many of the LOGICAL types have boldly admitted that people are selfish race, evolved from selfish genes, with nothing but themselves and their own agendas at work. So that being true from their perspective, what's to say all people of authority tell you is the reality THEY want from their SELFISH genes, which maintains the status quo?

As it is, one would believe evolution has made celebrities and people who know how to brown nose with pretty genetics or handsome genetics the superior people, yet, were the world thrust into catastrophe, most of them are useless UNLIKE the general populace, who while don't have super money making skills are USEFUL. If society as we know it felt apart, people who can build homes, make fires, fix things, cook, kill animals, hunt, are strong, will survive. One could theorize that the weakest people are the purportedly rich, which only obtain that status by way of our "society and economy", obviously an artificial construct born only of BELIEFS that are right or wrong. Currently, a belief that capitalism is right (which I'm not debating here), has made those people appear, powerful, made even by products of natural evolution. But desolve that artificial construct, which only exists by way of verbal agreement of men and nothing else, and they're valueless, just as a dollar bill without any faith, credit, or government to back it.

So as it may seem, what we know or believe is only based upon what we keep to hold it up. Here we are, like fish in a bowl, trying to figure US out (which we don't even know well), and figure out this life we're in, AND the universe we're in, where we are from, where we are going, and we're also OBSERVERS trying to OBSERVE ourselves. Is that even possible? The thing that's EXAMINING itself and the environment it's in, doesn't know itself, so if the equipment doing the work is flawed, how can what it produces not be flawed also?

It appears as if we make up theories and ideas to explain the inexplicable, so we have something 'concrete' to cling to, and yet, there's nothing there to cling to, just ideas and thoughts, which more often than not, hold us back. Religion. Politics. Money. Genetics. It's as if, people want everyone to believe these things to simplify life, much like Richard Dawkins in SouthPark wanted people to be Atheists so the world would be more peaceful again (yes poor reference, but the idea is what I was shooting for). I'll get around to his book, but again...isn't that just making THAT the bible? Is it possible Christianity then, is what books like "The God Delusion" are now? Maybe the bible was heresy then (you weren't there, you're only relying on historically accurate documents at best, so don't act like it's rock solid proof), just like such books would be now. So you divert from ONE book to the next, it only further discemminates the problem further.

Even funnier is the fact that many people can view the same event, and walk away with different opinions of what ACTUALLY happened. We do it everyday. People did it on 9-11. Jfk. Men and women do it each hour, practically. We do it here on the forums. TV shows. ON life, yet this little element KNOWN as perspective, never stops the forum trolls who degrade other's because they don't ascribe to THEIR viewpoint. Just because you spout off random facts, doesn't make them or you right, or better. Is it that important for you to be right, rather than be good or humane? Or shall we site how we're all selfish genes, products of evolution, and it's inborne to be of such a nature?

It seems all this crap has done more to DIVIDE humanity and provide excuses for people to act than anything. It appears as if people forget we have FREE WILL and CHOICE, about the only thing which makes us humane, but because we want to label people, or insult them, or find OURSELVES, we give that up each and everyday. They need to belong, to know, to be right, to alienate, to site, to ascribe to something, to have an identity, because internally they don't. It's only by reflection of the external world that people have identity, and before mirrors, nobody knew what they looked like outside of a reflection in a pool of water, which is nowhere near modern mirrors. So we just ditch our free will, and ascribe to other theories which seem to harm the mass of humanity, rather than help it.

Believers on either side of the fence would find they don't have free will, as their free will confines them to choices under the banner of their beliefs. Someone who's an evolutionist would choose based on choices under that banner, whereas someone who's religious would choice based on choices under that banner. Someone who's automatically republican, normally picks republican viewpoints, whereas a democrat would do the same. But they're not freely picking, because they have to BE SOMETHING, then pick something, it has to go through their filter first, and once it's normally they can't see other viewpoints, just like they can't see other cars once they've bought their own.

People who wrote that evolution rules over religion, won't see 'potential' in the other side, and vice versa, which is sad, because the ages of most of the posters are only about 1/4 of the way through life, and to affirm THIS is the way have confined themselves to one path.

People who wrote that 1 party is better than other, won't see the othersides, or they'll sqawk as if ONE side has a great right to SOMETHING than another. Isn't that coming down to it...that the idea, or group, has a great right to exist, to be in control than another? And when we wage war, we hollow out the element of PEOPLE holding weapons or bombs, and diminish them to just what they represent and believe, and when they dump that, we make peace? Seems like a real battle of the ego here, doesn't it? Since we're fighting phantom ideas, and not considering the people, which is more, humane. It seems like no one has really evolved, or exhibits free will, since we're still suckers and slaves to external or internal anomaly.

Yes...a wall of text. But don't state the obvious. Post or don't post. I write at length, just as I can talk at length.


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Don't forget foreskin...that's another favorite that one particular member tries to slip into every thread possible...and never without somehow bringing me into the discussion.
 
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A-Unit, do not mind the above posters - you have thinkers and non-thinkers!!

I get the gist of your post - and yes, there is such a thing as "Truth"!! Many things in this world are based on lies and we have strayed from our original state as created because we have been shaped by a people who control society that wish to keep us ignorant!! "Why?", you ask? Because they want to control the masses!!!

When the truth is exposed to the unknowing they lash out at those who speak truth because they have been "conditioned" throughout their lives that what they see in the mass media is reality - when the reality is that they have been conditioned to accept perceptions as reality!!!

The movie "The Matrix" was a splendid example in showing us this - it was a message to the current populace!! I simply say - seek truth and you will find it!!! And, only congregate with those who seek truth and avoid the false ones!!!

"But how do I know the true ones from the false ones?", you say? You will know them by the fruit that they bear!!!!

There is no such thing as "knowing too much" - we know what we know, and we know what we don't know, and we don't know what we don't know!!!
 

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Wyldfire said:
Don't forget foreskin...that's another favorite that one particular member tries to slip into every thread possible...and never without somehow bringing me into the discussion.
Actually noone cares, it's YOU who turns it into a huge drama war. We get the point, now... SHUT THE HELL UP AND GO SUCK ON UR CIRCUMCISED PENIS. :moon:

Back to the thread... well we dicuss it, so we can make US A BETTER PLACE SINCE THERE'S SO MANY MORONS HERE. Half the people don't even know where Australia or the differance between China, Korea, Vietnam and Japan is.
 

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We're humans. We don't know sh*t and we have ego's the size of Texas... In our pants. See? There it is again. My ego just... popped up.

Seriously, I agree with you. Not sure if I needed the long rant that was barely read on my part, but I agree that people need to stop assuming they know everything. Especially on this forum.
 

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I'll cheers to that A-Unit. I'm not sure what your state of mind is but that was some deep stuff right there. Well worth the read.
 

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Hyde said:
We're humans. We don't know sh*t and we have ego's the size of Texas... In our pants. See? There it is again. My ego just... popped up.

Seriously, I agree with you. Not sure if I needed the long rant that was barely read on my part, but I agree that people need to stop assuming they know everything. Especially on this forum.
I completely agree. Actually, if you observe the real intelligent people who do know more than the average person, they are genuinely humble. You know why? They eventually come to see that the more they know, the more they realize that they don't know sh!t. This keeps the ego down, and in turn, they are more open to learning more things and seeing from other perspectives.

That's why I laugh when I see people with huge egos thinking they are intelligent and know it all. Not only do they not know sh!t like the rest of us, they don't realize it either. That is their downfall. And until they snap out of it, it will continue to hamper their learning (which is the whole point of this forum right?).
 

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Like Einstein said:
Do you remember how electrical currents and "unseen waves" were laughed at? The knowledge about man is still in its infancy.
I agree a 100%. There so much yet for us to discover. But sadly, most of western civilisation has become ignorant and stupid, believing themselves intellectual and smart, while being obsessed with the world of material.
 

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Re:

"State of Mind."

That's an interesting perspective...it seems more appropriate to ask "State of Life." State of mind is whatever we make it to be. State of life, well, we have no control there, but for most of us, State of Life = State of Mind. Not that we shouldn't feel, but people don't choose their feelings, despite the presence and power of free will. It's like they identify that thing, with themselves or their pain, and attack it.

To the first 2 posters, I'm glad to see you've only risen above primates in physical description and not mental aptitude. Grow up. We're all the same on this planet, of the same thing, from the same source, and because I speak my mind in a different way than you, your gut reaction is stfu? You may want to check on yourself there, because were this poker, that was a 'tell.'

I'm always all good. At the core, I'm just happy to be alive. To exist. To experience, good or bad. Through that, at least I get to choose my feelings, even if I can't choose other things. And when I can choose life around me, I choose what I want. But I make no bones, and don't complain when things aren't 'right.' I never get why people 'expect' life to be 1 way or the other. If it were for you, it should be for 6 billion humans. If not for you...then life is truly fair. Isn't it?

But I guess what I do ponder...is the conscientious of life. How people behave. Why they behave that way. We all know there's good in us, in humanity. But to me it seems, because we've debased what we can beto a level like that of a primate, or simple genes looking out for its own best interests, we justify and give in to the darker urges we have; killing, theft, control, fighting, pain, hunger, even impatience and intolerance. People down other people as if the society we live in confirms their right to live, while it denies others. It happens in a small microcosm we call SoSuave everyday.

How many authoritative posts made my mid-20's kids do we see? 1-2 a day? Perhaps even this one can be construed as 'authoritative', despite a lengthy resume of life. Oh well. No mas. Not much I can do about that. It isn't like we have wise sages stepping up, offering their 'perspective' on life. And even then, a wise sage would understand that ultimately, people make their own choice. Sometimes that doesn't apply here. It's pushed as an absolute.

And yes, boys love talking about circumcision, and possibly finding a fall guy for 'who didn't make them a man.' Did it ever occur to the boys/guys who are in search for their manhood, or boyhood role models that it's a single journey taken when you're ready for it? Until you knew one existed, its possible you weren't ready. Nobody can motivate you, you motivate you. Now you're motivated. So stop blaming a feminist society, or one that sherks responsibility. It isn't that, because people WANT that. While physically we haven't evolved, mentally we have...from completely independent, self-reliant, confident people, to a melding of interdependent, reliant, and very self-conscious people. At practically every attack, every leak, every corporate melt down or purported terrorist attack, we BEG to have rights taken away in exchange for MORE protection and less personal responsibility.

And why? One reason is because people just want to be shielded away from things b/c life isn't as they expect it to be. And for that, they're almost too sensitive and not in control of their emotions. Mom and dad don't want to carry a gun for the sake of protecting their home, they'd rather the government and agencies take away all guns, banning them forever, and in the process not realizing that an attacker doesn't need a gun, he could use a shovel, a bat, or even make-shift weapons. And when jobs get shipped overseas, and people don't want to re-educate themselves and would rather watch tv, they beg for pensions, and social security, and sue advisors because they don't know how money works (even if it's fake). And when kids committ crimes, it has to be blamed on their parents, or society, or the students who made fun of them, and NOT the culprit who pulled the final trigger. We leak responsibility and free will. And that, to cull a phrase, IS the Secret. Ultimate choice, all the time. Not only for you, but for other people.


Thanks for the read, and the comments. Feel free tack on more if you so choose.


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I really want to know why LMS ends EVERY sentence with three !!!'s. It makes for compelling reading; maybe I've answered my own question. Good post from A-Unit BTW, nice spot of thinking in an otherwise yawn-worthy evidence lecture.
 
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