Why do guys settle for less?

[MatureDJ]

Because Prostitution isn't legal in all 50 states :rock:

I agree. Here in Eastern Europe, the pressure is completely off, as $30-50 gets me an hour of very good service. OTOH, it does tend to dull my motivation at times.

 

[Stagger Lee]

The sexual market is completely skewed. Old, fat, ugly, used up women with kids are rejecting guys even decent looking and younger by the boatloads.

Part of this is men's own fault for playing a losing game even when they dont have to. All this pick up stuff, plate spinning and effort to score one-nighters just increases the supply of available men and competition for women. This allows women to continuously raise their standards men must meet while lowering their own standards they must meet. It's a game where only a small percentage of men who are the best looking and naturally good with women are going to monopolize.

Of course, most women aren't relationship material nowadays. But men all trying to fvck other guys wives and GFs or undermining relationships.

I'm the last person to blame men for the way women and society is, but all this plate spinning and constantly trying to attract the maximum number of women is not the solution. It's part of the problem.

The bottomline is when women got financial parity and even superiority to men and the vote majority, most men lost all leverage to keep things level and fair between the genders.

 

[Serg897]

The usual negativity from the likes of Burroughs and Nismo. Do you guys do anything but hang around on this website whining pathetically about how unfair life is for men? Its not, and here are a few simple truths:

1.) The moment you make women your main priority you lose. There is more to life than chasing tail. Even if you were to bed an HB10 at this very moment, its only temporary and as soon as its over you'll just be right back at the same mindset you are now (and one that isn't attractive to women). The fact of the matter is that if all you want to do is bed as many women as possible, you will never be satisfied, since you will always want more.

2.) At this very moment, I can go out dancing or to a meetup and with a tiny bit of effort get a few numbers and land myself a date for later this week. Meeting women is NOT THAT DIFFICULT. Every single straight woman wants to meet a man, just like every single straight man wants to meet a woman. There is a grain of truth in your posts, but it is not the whole truth nor is it an insurmountable hurdle for any guy to meet someone.

Really, your posts both scream of desperation and approval seeking from females. I liked this website better years ago when the regular posters weren't so hopelessly negative.

 

[ChargingRhino]

Personally, I think PUA has saved a lot of men from having to settle. PUA has taught me to be proactive with women. Now, if I see a beautiful woman, i dont believe she's unapproachable or ungettable to me. I don't wish that I was I born with certain genes or had millions in the bank in order to get her. PUA has taught me that no woman is out of my league, and I don't have to settle. Is a lot that's taught in PUA sh/t? Of course. But it did teach me that I can be proactive and not have to sett
le for just any woman, and for that, I'm grateful.

 

[Colossus]

The usual negativity from the likes of Burroughs and Nismo. Do you guys do anything but hang around on this website whining pathetically about how unfair life is for men? Its not, and here are a few simple truths:

1.) The moment you make women your main priority you lose. There is more to life than chasing tail. Even if you were to bed an HB10 at this very moment, its only temporary and as soon as its over you'll just be right back at the same mindset you are now (and one that isn't attractive to women). The fact of the matter is that if all you want to do is bed as many women as possible, you will never be satisfied, since you will always want more.

2.) At this very moment, I can go out dancing or to a meetup and with a tiny bit of effort get a few numbers and land myself a date for later this week. Meeting women is NOT THAT DIFFICULT. Every single straight woman wants to meet a man, just like every single straight man wants to meet a woman. There is a grain of truth in your posts, but it is not the whole truth nor is it an insurmountable hurdle for any guy to meet someone.

Really, your posts both scream of desperation and approval seeking from females. I liked this website better years ago when the regular posters weren't so hopelessly negative.

+1.

What single woman wouldn't LOVE to get hit on by a successful, confident, well-dressed Man??? Even better if he's good-looking and isnt full of p!ss and vinegar towards women. The guy who succeeds at game is the one who makes people feel good about themselves. We all love positive attention from girls right? Even if they arent HB 8's and 9's? Girls are the same way.

Yeah some girls are attention trolls and some are full of themselves. But you can spot them a mile away. Just ignore them and talk to ones who seem cool and are receptive to having a stud like you talk to them. They should be so lucky!!

 

[Burroughs]

about how unfair life is for men? Its not, and here are a few simple truths:

the simple truth is that you sound like a little biatch so you'd most likely enjoy being azz raped in prison.

:kick: :crackup: :crackup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYb5xSd4PRs&feature=autoplay&list=UUDoNFQZqQpd6aL32Ua4JPTQ&playnext=1


@maturedj are you in prague?

 

[Boilermaker]

The usual negativity from the likes of Burroughs and Nismo. Do you guys do anything but hang around on this website whining pathetically about how unfair life is for men? Its not, and here are a few simple truths:

1.) The moment you make women your main priority you lose. There is more to life than chasing tail. Even if you were to bed an HB10 at this very moment, its only temporary and as soon as its over you'll just be right back at the same mindset you are now (and one that isn't attractive to women). The fact of the matter is that if all you want to do is bed as many women as possible, you will never be satisfied, since you will always want more.

2.) At this very moment, I can go out dancing or to a meetup and with a tiny bit of effort get a few numbers and land myself a date for later this week. Meeting women is NOT THAT DIFFICULT. Every single straight woman wants to meet a man, just like every single straight man wants to meet a woman. There is a grain of truth in your posts, but it is not the whole truth nor is it an insurmountable hurdle for any guy to meet someone.

Really, your posts both scream of desperation and approval seeking from females. I liked this website better years ago when the regular posters weren't so hopelessly negative.

I generally agree with your points however,

Not every single straight woman wants to meet a man, at any point in their lives. You are assuming they have their sh!t together, mood together, money together, and that they already don't have a man (or men) in their lives to begin with.

It's a huge overstatement to say every one of them is "available". You can't prove this by arguing, how do you know for sure whether they are mostly available or unavailable? If I had to guess, I'd say the type of "relatively untouched" women Colossus describes will be more often than not, taken or generally not available.

Secondly, it's really damn hard to get a date out of vacuum. Because %90 of us can't do in a moment's notice. That's what makes it hard, that is how you define hard. The prime reason why most of us are here is we can't get enough women, as you said. It requires training, courage, patience, luck, correct placement, and so on...You are going overboard with your optimism while you are kicking the pessimists.

 

[Three]

This is a great thread. I know lots of you don't get or don't give a sh!t about the shakespeare reference I posted before, but that's the point. What's missing from most men's lives in the western world today is that we have nothing to live for!

Just chasing pvssy is nothing and worthless in the scheme of things. We as men want to live for something important, even if it's only to survive. Life is just too comfortable for us now. Cable TV and air conditioning after thousands of years of fighting for our lives every day. We're just not cut out for this comfy sh!t. We need the struggle for something, anything that's important.

If it's all just for a piece of ass from some mangy fattie, then fvck it. I want more than that.

 

[Gro0ver]

This is a great thread. I know lots of you don't get or don't give a sh!t about the shakespeare reference I posted before, but that's the point. What's missing from most men's lives in the western world today is that we have nothing to live for!

Just chasing pvssy is nothing and worthless in the scheme of things. We as men want to live for something important, even if it's only to survive. Life is just too comfortable for us now. Cable TV and air conditioning after thousands of years of fighting for our lives every day. We're just not cut out for this comfy sh!t. We need the struggle for something, anything that's important.

If it's all just for a piece of ass from some mangy fattie, then fvck it. I want more than that.

Great point, and that's why career and hobbies are really important for us. Striving for greatness and fulfillment in these are ultimately what will make us happy (although we must keep striving). Women are just the icing on the cake, not the cake itself.

Maybe all this changes when you have kids, don't know.

 

[Solomon777]

Yes social acceptance is key..but that will come...there was a time 300 years ago when eating in restaurants was considered a very low class affair suitable for merchants and (ironically) prostitutes...when the rich travelled back then they brought their own cooks with them! So things can change.


Men have been conditioned to think that they are worthless which is why we are so obsessed with proving our worth to women. We have to earn our way out of worthlessness which is why most men don't give a damn that the vast majority of homeless are the same gender as them, men are worthless, and you with your job and your mortgage and your responsibilities, you my friend are just a little less worthless than that male bum on the street, aren't you.. That mentality is what gets us into trouble.

women are paying us with the counterfeit currency of sex, and to be honest, most men aren't even paying for just sex they are paying for some skewed form of motherly companionship. Many men secretly fantasize about some kind of constant motherly female affection is my best guess from what ive observed. Its far from just sex, we have a weakness within ourselves that desires female affection.

We as men have a bad habit of imagining the ideal women as being kind, inviting and warm, and someone that we can show our weakness to, but the reality is that women simply hate weak men. Its the cold hard reality that men need to face and address, you will find no solace in the bosom of a woman i assure you.

It is time for men to stand up and look around them and see that it is a very cold place, and you are the only one that can pull yourself up out of this frigid abyss...you. There is no mommy coming to save you men, there is no mommy to make you feel safe, and as a matter of fact women despise men that show any weakness, because they want to be taken care of.

Some men just get married because they realize they are getting older and want to secure a little something something before it's too late.

From my perspective, I just wanted to find a decent woman to have kids with and combine incomes with, however, I am only doing so because I'm not rich.

Marriage is a convention of the poor man, not the rich man.

In the back of my mind, I figure I can always split if I win the lotto or get a major break, however, if things don't pan out, at least i've secure my piece of the pie.

As long as you keep the right frame of mind all will be okay.

I also suggest that you retain your perspective and manhood by seeking the services of an escort from time to time.

Just having a no string attached romp can do wonders for your confidence and keep your marriage fresh. I have no problems in 'paying for it'...we all do anyhow...I am just pragmatic about it all.

 

[st_99]

simply put it just comes down to either they dont think they can do any better (for a whole mess of reasons) or they think they can probably do better but are not interesed in trying because its too much work.

 

[Fatal Jay]

even in my afc days I never felt right with myself to get a below average or average looking girl as my woman, I feel you have to be very insecure or broke to settle for less and in my heart of hearts I just cant do it, it says a lot about a man when he is with a below average woman.

 

[JulieWatson31]

Guys must learn not to tolerate certain traits from women.

We are too needy and desperate half the time and settle for a fat beast.

It really does demean the male race.

 

[FairShake]

I dont get it, id rather be on my own

Men AND women settle because they don't agree with this sentiment.

Most people are happier with someone even if that someone isn't ideal in the looks department.

 

[BeDJ]

Men that settle for less are buying into what their friends, family and society deems as being successful. You are a loser if you don't have a girlfriend, look at Beta Bob, he has someone that loves him. Imagine if his friends, family and society tell him that - You are successful if you are dating multiple women...men would no longer settle under these circumstances. This will never be the case because everyone's jealousy and insecurities are telling them that it's morally wrong.

There nothing new under the sun, physical and financial attractiveness are what females are after. If you are ugly and poor, you won't find quality women - Survival of the fittest. The fittest males get their pick of the litter, while the rest get leftovers. The same goes for women.

50% Looks
40% Money
10% Game

Instead of b!tching about female entitlement, ask yourself - Have I done everything I could today to make myself attractive to women?

 

[muscleman]

as the years progress unabated, Ive noticed many men, not neccessarily the george clooney types, but decent guys, hard working, seem to have a bit going for them, seem to be hapy to hook up and settle for all manner of horrors,ugly, fat women, skanks, all usualy past their sell by dates, for instnace, woman I work with, she is ok but he rbody has been ravaged by childbirth (and a few men) divorced, plyed the cougar role for a while, $lutted around, ended up marrying a guy, an engineer with his own succesful business, reasonable looking, very social, outgoing, good interpersonal skills.
he could do so much better, this is happening quite a bit, he is probably the best example though, women have hit the wall and these mugs seem to trip over themselves and glory in landing these second hand skanks.
I dont get it, id rather be on my own

If you understand basic economics, it all makes sense. Women are driving up artificial demand, which most men are too naive to see.

Most men also don't care too much about being successful with hot women who also happen to be good companions. Why? Because it's hard work to become a high value man and people are lazy fvcks. Nah, the typical guy, as long as you give him a job that pays the bills, leaves some for fun, a retirement plan, a an average looking chick who'll fake a biweekly orgasm, he'll be just fine. Pigs to the slaughter. As for the rest, well that's why we're here.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Men that settle for less are buying into what their friends, family and society deems as being successful. You are a loser if you don't have a girlfriend, look at Beta Bob, he has someone that loves him. Imagine if his friends, family and society tell him that - You are successful if you are dating multiple women...men would no longer settle under these circumstances. This will never be the case because everyone's jealousy and insecurities are telling them that it's morally wrong.

There nothing new under the sun, physical and financial attractiveness are what females are after. If you are ugly and poor, you won't find quality women - Survival of the fittest.

50% Looks
40% Money
10% Game

Instead of b!tching about female entitlement, ask yourself - Have I done everything I could today to make myself attractive to women?

The problem is what if and i believe it is:

80% Looks and appearance
20% Everything else

And in a non monogamous society/system the best looking/appearing guys take multiple women allowing women to be super-hypergamous. This results in slightly above average to average appearing guys can't even girl a girl who is looks matched and have to date down, and average to below average guys can't even get an HB1.

That in a nutshell is the reality for anyone that's not super wealthy or famous. When you see a guy who appears to you as another guy as decent looking and everything else going for him, maybe his face and appearance just isn't attractive enough for the modern hypergamous woman.

 

[BeDJ]

The problem is what if and i believe it is:

80% Looks and appearance
20% Everything else

And in a non monogamous society/system the best looking/appearing guys take multiple women allowing women to be super-hypergamous. This results in slightly above average to average appearing guys can't even girl a girl who is looks matched and have to date down, and average to below average guys can't even get an HB1.

That in a nutshell is the reality for anyone that's not super wealthy or famous. When you see a guy who appears to you as another guy as decent looking and everything else going for him, maybe his face and appearance just isn't attractive enough for the modern hypergamous woman.

Appearance goes into the money category. Don't conclude that looks are all that matter, look at the sub-par guys that are dating attractive women. Although females are hypergamous, those guys have their fun.

Everytime I pass by a couple holding hands and notice the girl checking me out. I give her the you could have been with me grin. Their reaction is priceless

 

[TonyBaloney]

Because Prostitution isn't legal in all 50 states :rock:


most men are so sex crazed, lonely, mommy starved, weak minded faggots they will take any pig and try to dress her up as a legitimate partner even though deep down the men are dying inside

:box: :box:

Burroughs - your great man! Please tell me when and what caused you to take the red pill.......

 

[goundra]

they are like you, too stupid and brainwashed to get something going online with 6-8 Filipinas, then go there, check them all out, and marry the most compatible one, and have a simple-good paying job already lined up for her in the US, with her agreement that you get half of her paycheck for 5 years, in return for teaching her a helluva lot of useful stuff. You don't know where to find her a job, don't know anything to teach her, are scared to live abroad or even to travel there, can't save any money to do these things, etc.