Why do guys NOT hold girls accountable for their actions?

[Atom Smasher]

AtomSmasher is 100% right. I am the same age as he, and I have said almost the exact same thing several times on this board.
I am surely glad that I am not 20 something again . Dealing with the uppity nature of young women would drive me batty.
If a girl wanted to cancel a date, back in the day, she usually called you and offered a heartfelt apology- at the least you got a credible excuse from her.

I cannot recall ONE "no show" flake back then.

IN the 70's and early 80's most young women were excited and grateful to be asked out and they went out of their way to behave ..IF a new woman f**ked up, she was willing to apologize and make amends like AS said above.
The last thing she wanted back then was to lose you.

THe good 'ole days, eh ?

Zactly.

Generally speaking, they showed decent character to one degree or another. They had manners and were respectful, again generally speaking. You are right, there was literally zero flaking. Totally unheard of. In fact, the guy was far more likely to flake, if anyone.

The majority here have only one perceived reality (what they have been taught combined with their limited experience)... that women have always been this way throughout history. Again, I must reiterate that this is completely false. If only they could jump into a time capsule and experience how it was just a decade or two before they were born. It was a totally different world, and that's why it's especially painful for us older guys to see the erosion that has occured in recent decades.

But I say this with a sense of hope, that one day nature will correct what is going on and normal male/female relationships will be restored. If this happens, it is up to us more enlightened men here at SS and elsewhere to pave that road and be a part of the solution.

 

[spinaroonie]

I don't think the term "flaking" existed before this decade. Literally.

Another thing that annoys me is the faux lesbianism crap that goes on between girls at clubs. I see more girls huddled in circles dancing with other girls than I see girls dancing with guys! Doubt it was like this a generation ago.

I'm a Mad Men fan and what strikes me most is the sweet, compliant, docile, and generally pleasant demeanour of AMERICAN women in the 60s. As a Gen Y kid it's hard to imagine women were actually like that once upon a time. What happened, what prompted the sudden shift so quickly?

Would Don Draper do so well with today's woman?

The greatest tragedy of our generation is that women are acting more like men and men are acting more like women.

 

[Solomon]

I don't think the term "flaking" existed before this decade. Literally.

Another thing that annoys me is the faux lesbianism crap that goes on between girls at clubs. I see more girls huddled in circles dancing with other girls than I see girls dancing with guys! Doubt it was like this a generation ago.

I'm a Mad Men fan and what strikes me most is the sweet, compliant, docile, and generally pleasant demeanour of AMERICAN women in the 60s. As a Gen Y kid it's hard to imagine women were actually like that once upon a time. What happened, what prompted the sudden shift so quickly?

Would Don Draper do so well with today's woman?

The greatest tragedy of our generation is that women are acting more like men and men are acting more like women.

Funny you mention Mad Men, I'm on season one episode four, the one episode where the guy's wife calls him to ask him what he wants for dinner blew me away. If anyone had their wives or g/f's do that today wow. But hell even back then there were slutty women, and these guys were banging their co-workers like it's nothing, sexual harassment was really really bad

 

[jophil28]

Funny you mention Mad Men, I'm on season one episode four, the one episode where the guy's wife calls him to ask him what he wants for dinner blew me away. If anyone had their wives or g/f's do that today wow. But hell even back then there were slutty women, and these guys were banging their co-workers like it's nothing, sexual harassment was really really bad

A wife calling their husband at the office to enquire about his dinner preference was common.
And get this- a woman frequently asked a new guy over to her place for a home cooked dinner - usually somewhere about the third date, and before she decided on the menu she would ask him about his food likes and dislikes.
A woman serving up a bad dinner was a shocking thing ..:nono:

And she would often ask him what kind of music he liked and arrange a few of his favorites on the carpet by the stereo..Billy Joel was usually present.

Man, that carpet got a workout too.

 

[Kailex]

A wife calling their husband at the office to enquire about his dinner preference was common.
And get this- a woman frequently asked a new guy over to her place for a home cooked dinner - usually somewhere about the third date, and before she decided on the menu she would ask him about his food likes and dislikes.
A woman serving up a bad dinner was a shocking thing ..:nono:

And she would often ask him what kind of music he liked and arrange a few of his favorites on the carpet by the stereo..Billy Joel was usually present.

Man, that carpet got a workout too.

I'm one of the few fortunates.
Being a Hispanic male gives me an easier "in" to the world of the Hispanic female. Although any woman who is younger than 20 and raised in America is no longer like this most likely... I still see remnants of this upon the older 20's. My ex was 31 when we broke up and she'd call me at work to see what I wanted for dinner. She would routinely buy DVD's of movies she knew I'd like, video games, CD's... stuff like that.

I've been seeing one for a few months that is 28. She's even better than my ex and still does all of these things.

Yet, my much younger cousins pre-22 are all in the "Hot Pocket" state of mind where cooking is equated with a microwave.

I'm used to not only being cooked for but to have the food served on my plate just the way I like stuff.

At the risk of sounding similar to Big Jimbo, I think those lines between that reality and the new reality are beginning to overlap and any women after my generation and that are Hispanic are more in line to falling in with the Caucasian-Female persuasion. It's sad to see too, because I saw it from my parents and my grand-parents. I was able to see first-hand how a woman would never even dare have dinner before her husband came home, neither could the children.

I always hoped there'd come a day for me when a woman was meant to make my life easier and not the other way around. The very existence of this forum means that this goal of mine is probably a little more out of reach than I ever thought possible.

 

[Colossus]

I think it's mostly a western affliction (north america, austrailia, creeping into europe).

I've had some experience with latin women and I can corroborate your experience. It's refreshing. With 'modern' women though the tables have really been reversed----they want someone who compliments THEM.

 

[Warrior74]

Would Don Draper do so well with today's woman?

Ah that's the question isn't it?

 

[Atom Smasher]

From Housekeeping Monthly 13 May 1955

The good wife's guide

*Have dinner ready. Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal ready, on time for his return. This is a way of letting him know that you have been thinking about him and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospect of a good meal (especially his favorite dish) is part of the warm welcome needed.

*Prepare yourself. Take 15 minutes to rest so you'll be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your make-up, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh-looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people.

*Be a little gay and a little more interesting for him. His boring day may need a lift and one of your duties is to provide it.

*Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives.

*Gather up schoolbooks, toys, paper, etc. and then run a dustcloth over the tables.

*Over the cooler months of the year you should prepare and light a fire for him to unwind by. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift too. After all, catering for his comfort will provide you with immense personal satisfaction.

*Prepare the children. Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and faces (if they are small), comb their hair and, if necessary, change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part. Minimise all noise. At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of the washer, dryer, or vacuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet.

*Be happy to see him.

*Greet him with a warm smile and show sincerity in your desire to please him.

*Listen to him. You may have a dozen important things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first--remember, his topics of conversation are more important than yours.

*Make the evening his. Never complain if he comes home late or goes out to dinner, or other places of entertainment without you. Instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure and his very real need to be at home and relax.

*Your goal: Try to make sure your home is a place of peace, order and tranquillity where your husband can renew himself in body and spirit.

*Don't greet him with complaints or problems.

*Don't complain if he's late home for dinner or if he stays out all night. Count this as minor compared to what he might have gone through that day.

*Make him comfortable. Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or have him lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him.

*Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soothing and pleasant voice.

*Don't ask him questions about his actions or question his judgement or integrity. Remember, he is master of the house and as such will always exercise his will with fairness and truthfulness. You have no right to question him.

*A good wife always knows her place.

 

[jophil28]

*A good wife always knows her place.

Ahh, that brought a nostalgic tear to my eye....

 

[guru1000]

From Housekeeping Monthly 13 May 1955

*A good wife always knows her place.

Gents,

These are the only seven words you will need to qualify with; however, for a woman to know her place... you will need to know yours.

 

[typical]

I should have visited the mature forum much earlier so much good solid info.

 

[Poonani Maker]

I think that our life expectancy rates, as males, will go down, because women are not doing their jobs.

 

[Solomon]

Cause most guys are manginias plain and simple.

For example when my buddy flakes I check'em on it and call him out, so why can't i do that with a girl?

You know what there times when I check girls when they flake and times were I don't, but the same standard men hold themselves too should be the same you hold your women too.