Why Did This B*tch Have Kids?

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Sorry, but my children bore me to death!
by HELEN KIRWAN-TAYLOR, Daily Mail

It's the start of the summer holidays, when millions of mothers despair at how to entertain their children for the next six weeks. What none of them dare say is that they would rather their children were still at school or, frankly, anywhere else. Helen Kirwan-Taylor, a 42-year-old writer, lives in Notting Hill, West London, with her businessman husband Charles and their sons Constantin, 12, and Ivan, ten. Here, she argues provocatively that modern women must not be enslaved by their children.

The lies started when my eldest son was less than ten months old.

Invitations to attend a child's birthday party or, worse, a singalong session were met with the same refrain: 'I would love to but I just can't spare the time.'

The nanny was dispatched in my place, and almost always returned complaining that my son had been singled out for pitiful stares by the other mothers.

I confess that I was probably ogling the merchandise at Harvey Nichols or having my highlights done instead. Of course I love my children as much as any mother, but the truth is I found such events so boring that I made up any excuse.

I can't say which activity I dreaded more: playing Pass The Parcel at parties with a child who permanently crawled away from the action towards the priceless knick-knacks, or listening to the other mothers go on about such excitements as teething and potty-training. Mind-numbing!

To be honest, I spent much of the early years of my children's lives in a workaholic frenzy because the thought of spending time with them was more stressful than any journalistic assignment I could imagine.

Kids are supposed to be fulfilling, life-changing, life-enhancing fun: why was my attitude towards them so different?

While all my girlfriends were dropping important careers and occupying their afternoons with cake baking, I was begging the nanny to stay on, at least until she had read my two a bedtime story. What kind of mother hates reading bedtime stories? A bad mother, that's who, and a mother who is bored rigid by her children.

I know this is one of the last taboos of modern society. To admit that you, a mother of the new millennium, don't find your offspring thoroughly fascinating and enjoyable at all times is a state of affairs very few women are prepared to admit. We feel ashamed, and unfit to be mothers.

It's as though motherhood is an exclusive private club and everybody is a member except for us few. But then, kids have become careers, often the Last Career, for millions of women who have previously trained for years to enter professional fields of business. Consequently, few of those women will admit that they made a bad, or — worse — a boring career move to motherhood.

My children have got used to my disappearing to the gym when they're doing their prep (how boring to learn something you never wanted to learn in the first place).

They know better than to expect me to sit through a cricket match, and they've completely given up on expecting me to spend school holidays taking them to museums or enjoying the latest cinema block-boster alongside them. (I spent two hours texting friends throughout a screening of Pirates Of The Caribbean the other day).

Am I a lazy, superficial person because I don't enjoy packing up their sports kit, or making their lunch, or sitting through coffee mornings with other mothers discussing how Mr Science (I can't remember most of the teachers' names) said such and such to Little Johnny and should we all complain to the headmaster.

At this point in the conversation, my mind drifts to thoughts of my own lunch and which shoes I plan to wear with what skirt.

The other mothers tease me for my inability to know anything about school life. But since when did masterminding 20 school runs a week become an accomplishment? Getting a First at college was an accomplishment.

The trouble for a mother like me is that not being completely and utterly enthralled with, dedicated to and obsessed with one's children is a secret guarded, if not until death, then until someone else confesses first. When I mentioned this article to my friend Catherine Fairweather, travel editor of Harpers & Queen, the relief on her face was instant.

For years she's listened to her friends proselytising on the sublime act of mothering. 'But no one ever told me how boring it is,' she moaned.

When I brought it up at lunch yesterday, my friend June, a stay-at-home mother of three young children, admitted that 'children are mind-numbingly boring' and the act of being with them all day and night is responsible for many mental breakdowns. 'Looking after children makes women depressed,' she concluded.

All those glossy magazine spreads showing celebrity mothers looking serene at home with their children serve only to make women feel inadequate. What the pictures don't show is the monotony, loneliness and relentless domesticity that goes with child-rearing.

They don't show the tantrums, the food spills and the ten aborted attempts at putting on shoes. They don't show the husband legging it to the pub so he doesn't have to change a nappy, either.

Research tells us that mothers drink the most when they have young children. Is that because talking to anyone under the age of ten requires some sort of lobotomy?

Arabella Cant, an art director with two young children, admits that she considered jumping off a bridge in the early stages of her career in motherhood. 'Bringing up children is among the most boring and exhausting things you can do,' she says.

Her solution was to avoid subjugating her own life to that of her chil-dren's. 'I'm certainly not traipsing around museums or sitting on the floor doing Lego if that's what you mean by being at home,' she explains. 'I'm loving it, but my children fit into my life and not the other way around.

'I have friends who spend their lives driving their children to and from activities, but I don't want to spend my life on the North Circular'.

Those of us who are not thoroughly 'child-centric', meaning we don't put our children's guitar practice before our own ambitions, are made to feel guilty. We're not meant to have an adult life — at least, not one that doesn't include them.

Many of my friends — fortysomething, university-educated professionals who swore that they would be normal parents — make it a policy now that 'our kids go where we go'. They drag their three-year-olds to dinner parties where the youngsters end up in front of a video all night. (I have seen children having tantrums in front of guests, and rather than send the children to their rooms, the parents send their guests home.)

So how have we reached this point where so many intelligent women are subverting their own needs and desires to that of their children?

Much of our current obsession with parenting has to do with the cult of child sychology. 'Parents in the Fifties were led to believe that if they weren't with their children, the children would be disadvantaged,' says psychologist Eva Lloyd. 'It started this ridiculous "kids first" culture. We live in an age when parenting is all about martyrdom.'

Psychiatrist Dr Alvin Rosenfeld, author of The Over-Scheduled Child: Avoiding The Hyper-Parenting Trap, adds: 'To be a good parent today, you have to sacrifice a lot.

'When the current generation of mothers was young, children were simply appendages.

'Our parents would never cancel an adult activity to get us to a soccer game. They would often not show up for our games or school plays, and, as a consequence, they never witnessed our great triumphs or were there to comfort us in our humiliations. As a result, our generation said we would do it differently.'

So it is drummed into mothers that if we find our children stressful or dull, it's because there's something wrong with us (but not dads, of course, who have a ready-made excuse for being out of the house all day because they 'have to go to work').

And yet many women have spent years studying and then working so that we would not have to do a job as menial as full-time motherhood. I consider spending up to 30 hours a week sitting behind the wheel of a 4x4, dropping children off at play centres or school, to be a less-than-satisfactory reward for all those years of sweat.

Besides, in my view, making a child your career is a dangerous move because your marriage and sense of self can be sacrificed in the process.

Psychotherapist Kati St Clair has listened to the frustrations of scores of mothers. 'Women now feel great pressure to enjoy their children at all times,' she says. 'The truth is, a lot of it is plain tedium. It's very unlikely that a mother doesn't love her child, but it can be very dull. Still, it takes a brave woman to admit that.'

All us bored mothers can take comfort from the fact that our children may yet turn out to be more balanced than those who are love-bombed from the day they are born.

Research increasingly shows that child-centred parenting is creating a generation of narcissistic children who cannot function independently.

'Their demand for external support is enormous,' says Kati St Clair. 'They enter the real world totally ill-prepared. You damage a child just as much by giving them extreme attention as you do by ignoring them altogether. Both are forms of abuse.'

Child experts are increasingly begging parents to let their kids be.
 

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'Parents think they can design their children by feeding them a diet of Mozart — well they can't,' says Dr Rosenfeld.

Sometimes, apparently, the best thing parents can do for their children is to let them be bored.

This, of course, makes mothers like me — who love their children but refuse to cater to their every whim — feel vindicated. By sticking to our guns, we have unwittingly created children who can do things like make up stories (very few kids can any more).

Because I have categorically said: 'I am not a waitress, a driver or a cleaner,' my children have learned to put away their plates and tidy up their rooms. They've become brilliant planners, often inviting their friends to come for the weekend (because I've forgotten to bother).

Frankly, as long as you've fed them, sheltered them and told them they are loved, children will be fine. Mine are — at the risk of sounding smug — well-adjusted, creative children who respect the concept of work. They also accept my limitations.

They stopped asking me to take them to the park (how tedious) years ago. But now when I try to entertain them and say: 'Why don't we get out the Monopoly board?' they simply look at me woefully and sigh: 'Don't bother, Mum, you'll just get bored.'

How right they are.
 

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Actually she is stating what a lot of parents (men also) think, but are afraid to admit due to society disapproving them.

Parenting does suck and when you have kids it is too late to find out!

Dietzcoi
 

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dietzcoi said:
Actually she is stating what a lot of parents (men also) think, but are afraid to admit due to society disapproving them.

Parenting does suck and when you have kids it is too late to find out!

Dietzcoi
Oh yeah, deffinetly sucks. Got to agree with you there. But then when you think about it, everything sucks also. Getting a girlfriend, getting laid, making money, going to disneyland, driving, cooking... etc. Yup, they ALL suck because you have to put effort, time, money to get something out of it.

yup.
 

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sounds bad but is probably helping the kids more! I've had the misfortune of meeting kids who are spoiled by too much attention and toys. Not a pretty sight.
 

Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.

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Good for her, she wants a life.

I'm sure she didn't expect having kids to be like this, that's probably why she's upset, but who can blame her? That's why I will wait till at least like 35-40 hopefully longer lol.
 

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God, I love it when AFCs without kids tell ME that having kids is wonderful

Good luck, chumps!!

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dietzcoi said:
God, I love it when AFCs without kids tell ME that having kids is wonderful

Good luck, chumps!!

Dietzcoi
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

You're the idiot with kids he doesn't want, who's the real chump?
 

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I started reading this thinking the woman was being kinda selfish. Like, what a bytch, you know? But as I read, and she made good points, I started to agree with her. By the end, I was totally on her side.

I'm 18, and my mom and step-dad had a daughter, my half-sister, who just turned 6 a few days ago. Reading this article and thinking back to how my sister and I were raised, I have two perspectives. My parents were fairly young and not so well-off financially, so I wasn't showered with toys and attention all the time, even more so when they got divorced around the time I was 7. I mean, I had stuff. I had Super Nintendo and Power Rangers and what have you. I got enough attention to feel loved and secure. But most of the time, I only got stuff on my birthday and Christmas. And I was a latchkey kid for years. I didn't start going home after school till like 6th-7th grade. So I definately lived around my mom's schedule, not the opposite. Look at me now, and I'm very well-adjusted and mentally sound. Yay me.

Then I look at my sister's upbringing, which I've had a front row seat to. Boy, has she been spoiled. My mom and step-dad are older, wiser, and better-off now then my parents were when I was born. So, just because of that, my sister has a "better" life. There are so many toys in her room, she pretty much uses it as storage. She brings all her toys into the other rooms to play with, and she doesn't even sleep in there either. Since I'm living at college now, my mom decided to switch mine and my sister's rooms, because my room is bigger and she can put all her toys and junk in there. Ridiculous. We threw out all her old toys she doesn't play with, but soon enough, the new room will be full of junk just like the old one was.

My sister is turning into a brat too. She pretty much gets her way most of the time, and when she gets yelled at for something, she gets this pissy look on her face and even sticks her tongue out at them, or other things. I've seen my parents' faulty upbringing firsthand, and I try to point things out to my mom, but she'll just deny it or yell at me like "I'm the parent here, I'll do what I want." I hate that 'holier than thou' attitude, but what can I do? She's my mom. Whatever.

I even try to "parent" my sister myself, like telling her when she can't have something and why, and she'll hit my arm or something and do it anyway. Sometimes she listens to me, but not often. Then I'll get yelled at for being mean to my sister and they'll say "Just give it to her so she'll stop crying/yelling/whining. I don't want to hear it". My god, that's the worst possible thing you can do, but I have to do it, so whatever.

Its sad, because I know my sister will more than likely be messed up when she's older as a result of all this. She'll end up being a bytchy attention wh0re. Sorry in advance to all the guys of the next generation. Lol.



Text messaging during PotC?? Wtf, those movies are awesome!
 

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I guess all my efforts at trying to help younger guys not make the mistakes I made only brings insults.

Go ahead, be an idiot, then you will wish you had listened when you had the chance

And, yes, I was a chump. Why else would I be here trying to warn others?


Dietzcoi
 

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dietzcoi said:
Slevin

I guess all my efforts at trying to help younger guys not make the mistakes I made only brings insults.

Go ahead, be an idiot, then you will wish you had listened when you had the chance

And, yes, I was a chump. Why else would I be here trying to warn others?

Dietzcoi
Have you listened to the Tom Leykis show lately? This might be just right up your alley.
 

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I agree with Maximus here. Why did this woman have kids if she loathes spending time with them so much? It's one thing to live your own life and not have your self esteem dependent on how "good" of a parent you are. It is another thing to say that your children are nothing more than boring monotonous chores that need to get done (preferably by another person).

My best friend recently had a kid. I'm the godfather. Occasionally my mom will babysit him, and I'll play with him. I love this kid. He is fascinating. I find joy in the simplest things he does. He's not old enough to talk or walk yet, but I can't wait til he is. I look forward to reading him stories and watching him transform and develop. I want to share my wisdom with him and guide him in the ways of life. To me, this is a privilege!

Yet this feminazi b!tch sees it as a chore.

Look at what she says here:

Frankly, as long as you've fed them, sheltered them and told them they are loved, children will be fine. Mine are — at the risk of sounding smug — well-adjusted, creative children who respect the concept of work. They also accept my limitations.
Why should they respect the concept of work? So that they can work for other people? This seems to be what she is hinting at.

Why should they "accept her limitations" ?

This woman desires to be a man. She never wanted to be a mother. That much is obvious.

This article further proves Pook's theory that journalists are some of the most narcissistic people alive.
 

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dietzcoi said:
Slevin

I guess all my efforts at trying to help younger guys not make the mistakes I made only brings insults.

Go ahead, be an idiot, then you will wish you had listened when you had the chance

And, yes, I was a chump. Why else would I be here trying to warn others?


Dietzcoi
I dunno that it makes you a chump that you have kids. Maybe not your first or best choice, but you manned up and took care of things. Mine came along pretty early too, and I was okay with that -- it was hard, but a hard thing is sometimes better than having it too easy.

But I do agree with her though (I don't necessarily care that she's the mom) that this kids first cult in crazy. Opportunity and generally improving their lives so that they can strive higher is one thing, catering to always make them happy (which, frankly, is a very mommy thing to do) is often the worst thing for them.

WTF do they do when they're 22 and don't have daily life schedulers dedicated to making sure they are content, excited, well adjusted, etc., all at the same time.
 

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my two cents

I believe that I understand where she is coming from, after having seen my mother run ragged by us. However, I think that she is wrong in believing that it will still lead to sensible well adjusted kids.

I know that of my friends, those whose parents actually cared where they were out and told them that they were great and not to worry and were generally there for them; even if they did not subsume their lives to the kids, have turned out very well. The parents have to be around and be RESPONSIBLE.

By contrast, those kids whose parents did not give them any attention were forced to seek attention from their peer group and from others and invariably that led (at least in my experience, and the kids I know all had a good start to life) into getting mixed up with what I would call the wrong crowd. Getting into drugs, girls (I wish I had) and crime. These were the kids whose parents really did not care and still dont. The parents put their lives before that of the children, they would not let the kids get in the way: go off on a boat cruise, leaving the kid with £100 at home for a couple of weeks.

Equally those kids who were never given space to breathe by their parents were suffocated and ended up spoilt and bratty. This is because these kids were never responsible for their own actions.

The core of the article is about RESPONSIBILITY, which is a problem in today's world. No one takes responsibility for their own actions. When you have a child you have to be responsible and equally you have to teach the child to be responsible. It is a balance, like most things in life. This woman's kids sound as if they have to be responsible for themselves, which I think can be great and can lead to stable adults but equally if they fail in being responsible it can lead to a much worse outcome. The responsibility should be shared between the adults and the kids.
 

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being a mother can be rough, but my parents did it and theyre happy. they played games with me and laughed when i said humorous things (which when youre a parent can include pronouncing "thank you" as "tank too") and watched tv while laying on my dads chest, occasionally kneeing him in the groin at which he would make a comical five minute drama out of.

this lady obviously wasnt old enough/ ready to enjoy children. maybe just because i like kids, but if i had two of my own i wouldnt be texting friends through their movies and thinking about what i'll wear while discussing them. saying "its not like i dont love my children" is bull; she may love them, but not enough to dedicate time to them. this woman loves shopping and social lives and work more than her children, thats why she spends so much time doing everything except caring for her children.

but thats just an opinion.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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dannowillbookem said:
this lady obviously wasnt old enough/ ready to enjoy children. maybe just because i like kids, but if i had two of my own i wouldnt be texting friends through their movies and thinking about what i'll wear while discussing them. saying "its not like i dont love my children" is bull; she may love them, but not enough to dedicate time to them. this woman loves shopping and social lives and work more than her children, thats why she spends so much time doing everything except caring for her children.

but thats just an opinion.
Truth.
 

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This article makes me sick.

My mother has to bust her ass raising 2 kids by herself, while holding down a 9-5 job, and constant visits to the hospital because of her illness. As well as dialysis twice a day up until her death. And this woman has the guts to complain about the cards she was dealt? Actually fvck it, she dealt her own damn cards.
 

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Duke said:
I agree with Maximus here. Why did this woman have kids if she loathes spending time with them so much? It's one thing to live your own life and not have your self esteem dependent on how "good" of a parent you are. It is another thing to say that your children are nothing more than boring monotonous chores that need to get done (preferably by another person).

My best friend recently had a kid. I'm the godfather. Occasionally my mom will babysit him, and I'll play with him. I love this kid. He is fascinating. I find joy in the simplest things he does. He's not old enough to talk or walk yet, but I can't wait til he is. I look forward to reading him stories and watching him transform and develop. I want to share my wisdom with him and guide him in the ways of life. To me, this is a privilege.
I'm sure your best friend's kid is awesome. Babies usually are.

But you don't spend every waking minute with that kid. The things he does are still fascinating to you, but can't you see how all day, every day with a child - the good AND the bad of it - could get to you? I like kids a lot, but I recognize that enjoying babysitting kids and being their guardian are two entirely different tasks. It sounds awful to see this written out, but I bet she's voicing what mothers and fathers have been ashamedly feeling for years.
 
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