Why are women not smiling back at me nor giving eye contact?

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I noticed recently that most women I smile at in public(stranger women) don't smile back at me. I was walking by at the store and saw this good looking Latina woman. I caught her eye contact and smiled and she didn't smile back. Should I approach if I smile and they don't smile back?
Also, I'll look women in the eyes in public even though I don't know them and most of the time I still won't get eye contact from them. Am I intimidating them or something? Should I approach if they don't give eye contact also?
This is all in Day Game situations by the way. Looks like looking for IOI's isn't working out for me and I may need to do more blind cold approaches.
 

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stop being desperate. get ur life together and when you're ready, you'll find a girl.
 

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If they like what they see, they smile. Time for herbal detox kit.
 

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ahaha its a numbers game with smiling. just like approaching and trying to get numbers. i wouldn't approach a girl who didn't smile back if i smiled at her. then again maybe she was having a bad day
 

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Juan Don said:
ahaha its a numbers game with smiling. just like approaching and trying to get numbers. i wouldn't approach a girl who didn't smile back if i smiled at her. then again maybe she was having a bad day
She was a Latina women who I think was looking for baby products. lol Then again, it seems like all the Latinas here are married or have someone. So, that could've been it. There just aren't a lot of single women here either.
Also, how am I being desperate? And what does having my life in order mean?(For ImWithTheDJ)
I'm unemployed and working a few hours a week DJing at a radio station and substitute teaching at school living with my parents.
I think I'd like to go overseas and teach though.
 

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Giving attention to random strangers when they did nothing to gain it means you are desperate and trying to get something out of them.

Either a homeless man doing eye contact to ask some money or a desperate man looking for some pvssy in any possible way.
Awfully women have some kind of subconscious special radar that allow them to measure your level of desperation and self-confidence.
 

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Who Dares Win said:
Giving attention to random strangers when they did nothing to gain it means you are desperate and trying to get something out of them.

Either a homeless man doing eye contact to ask some money or a desperate man looking for some pvssy in any possible way.
Awfully women have some kind of subconscious special radar that allow them to measure your level of desperation and self-confidence.
No it doesn't. It means you are a friendly person. (BTW, this is a typical example of people taking the 'advice' on this site too far)

Deicide, I can think of two for this: One, Its hard for people in todays society to acknowledge strangers. Dont take it personally. Some of them may have felt bad for not smiling back after the fact. Honestly, I do the same thing. I catch myself not smiling back or giving eye contact when people do it to me occasionally, and I shouldn't. I should do it right back. i definitely dont think bad about the person smiling at me. modern people are standoffish about strangers in general. It doesnt mean you shouldn't approach. Chances are, they will be friendly if you do, even if they dont smile. Look at it this way: If they dont smile back, its not a NEGATIVE response. Its a neutral one. They simply chose not to respond. They would probably do the same thing if a Brad Pitt look-alike smiled at them briefly.

Two: You may be coming on too strong or possibly giving a creepy vibe. Maybe you're staring to long or hard, or invading their personal space. Make sure its a very genuine "hi" you're giving them, and dont make it look like you went out of your way to do it.

Also, not to make assumptions about your appearance cuz of your name or anything, but if you look like a gnarly metalhead, you might not get a good response, but that goes with the territory.

Either way, what it boils down to, is you should be fearless about it, and approach either way. Even if they are unresponsive to eye contact and smiles, when it comes down to actual TALKING, they have no choice but to respond in one way or another, and 9 times out of 10, they will at least be cordial towards you.

BTW, where are you located? The bigger the city, the less people will smile towards strangers.
 

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Most people are usually thinking about something else(work, bills, dinner, ect...) and not paying attention to what is going on around them. If you are just smiling and looking at them, that isn't going to do anything because they probably didn't even notice you.

You should try saying hello to them. And say it when you are making eye contact. 9 times out of 10 they will say hello back to you.
 

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horaholic said:
No it doesn't. It means you are a friendly person. (BTW, this is a typical example of people taking the 'advice' on this site too far)

Deicide, I can think of two for this: One, Its hard for people in todays society to acknowledge strangers. Dont take it personally. Some of them may have felt bad for not smiling back after the fact. Honestly, I do the same thing. I catch myself not smiling back or giving eye contact when people do it to me occasionally, and I shouldn't. I should do it right back. i definitely dont think bad about the person smiling at me. modern people are standoffish about strangers in general. It doesnt mean you shouldn't approach. Chances are, they will be friendly if you do, even if they dont smile. Look at it this way: If they dont smile back, its not a NEGATIVE response. Its a neutral one. They simply chose not to respond. They would probably do the same thing if a Brad Pitt look-alike smiled at them briefly.

Two: You may be coming on too strong or possibly giving a creepy vibe. Maybe you're staring to long or hard, or invading their personal space. Make sure its a very genuine "hi" you're giving them, and dont make it look like you went out of your way to do it.

Also, not to make assumptions about your appearance cuz of your name or anything, but if you look like a gnarly metalhead, you might not get a good response, but that goes with the territory.

Either way, what it boils down to, is you should be fearless about it, and approach either way. Even if they are unresponsive to eye contact and smiles, when it comes down to actual TALKING, they have no choice but to respond in one way or another, and 9 times out of 10, they will at least be cordial towards you.

BTW, where are you located? The bigger the city, the less people will smile towards strangers.
Rural Tennessee. I dress pretty normal for a guy into metal. Last night I had on my black Adidas striped shirt with blue jeans and tennis shoes on. Hair was spiked like always though, but besides that everything about me is pretty normal if I'm not wearing my leather jacket or rock/metal t-shirts.
Yes, I should definitely say and Hi and approach them instead of just smiling. I just have the get this "sarged out/everyone knows me doing this" thing out of my head since I'm from such a small population area.
Also, on the topic of bigger cities, I was talking with a friend of mine who I may go on a trip to Chicago with. He told me I shouldn't approach women up there unless I want to get pepper sprayed. lol Is this a big lie?
I'm sure he's never approached a woman in his life so he is just basing that on how rude people are up there(according to him that is).
 

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Deicide said:
Rural Tennessee. I dress pretty normal for a guy into metal. Last night I had on my black Adidas striped shirt with blue jeans and tennis shoes on. Hair was spiked like always though, but besides that everything about me is pretty normal if I'm not wearing my leather jacket or rock/metal t-shirts.
Yes, I should definitely say and Hi and approach them instead of just smiling. I just have the get this "sarged out/everyone knows me doing this" thing out of my head since I'm from such a small population area.
Also, on the topic of bigger cities, I was talking with a friend of mine who I may go on a trip to Chicago with. He told me I shouldn't approach women up there unless I want to get pepper sprayed. lol Is this a big lie?
I'm sure he's never approached a woman in his life so he is just basing that on how rude people are up there(according to him that is).
Dude your friend's an idiot. Most girls want to be approached, it makes them feel flattered even if they're not interested in the dude. If chick's didn't want to be approached, they wouldn't wear makeup and sexy outfits all the time.

Are you actually saying hi to these women you make eye contact with? Just strike up a conversation with them. That's how you get them to notice you.. They're not gonna throw themselves at every single dude out there that checks them out.

Usually I just ask a simple question.. A few weeks ago I went to NYC and was completely lost.. Asked an HB8 how I get to brooklyn from manhattan and wound up hanging out with her for an hour. I didn't get a NC or a KC, but it just goes to show women will be receptive to you as long as you are genuine and enjoy conversing with them.

Just curious, what do you mean by spiked hair?
 

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Alex DeLarge said:
Dude your friend's an idiot. Most girls want to be approached, it makes them feel flattered even if they're not interested in the dude. If chick's didn't want to be approached, they wouldn't wear makeup and sexy outfits all the time.

Are you actually saying hi to these women you make eye contact with? Just strike up a conversation with them. That's how you get them to notice you.. They're not gonna throw themselves at every single dude out there that checks them out.

Usually I just ask a simple question.. A few weeks ago I went to NYC and was completely lost.. Asked an HB8 how I get to brooklyn from manhattan and wound up hanging out with her for an hour. I didn't get a NC or a KC, but it just goes to show women will be receptive to you as long as you are genuine and enjoy conversing with them.

Just curious, what do you mean by spiked hair?
Lol, he met his gf online, so he's never really tested the dating world. Actually both him and my family give me all this bs about how clubs are dangerous and that I'm risking things by approaching strange women. I just try to ignore them.
Sometimes I say Hi, sometimes I don't. Same thing with my game and mood, sometimes on, sometimes off and I'm thinking(Man, what's wrong with me today?).
I gel my hair and it is spiked up. Not Jersey Shore stye though. Just my original black hair color(though I did have it blonde for a while).
 

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Okay here's some tips for you after reading your post, and some general eye contact advice too. I have good eye contact skills. In fact I'd say it's probably what generates the most initial attraction in my case, eye contact is VERY seductive and powerful. My advice is don't try and dissipate the tension with a smile etc. Just enjoy the sexual tension. Remember she's staring you down too so if she holds eye contact she's being just as "creepy", and if she holds it for a bit too long she probably feels that sexual tension and attraction. Having a sexy girl staring into your eyes feels good. So just take a moment to enjoy that feeling, notice the intensity of the emotions it invokes. Don't instantly smile. Back in high school there was one time in class where this model girl (legit model, weirdly I saw a picture of her in a catalog earlier today, hadn't seen her in years) just locked eyes with me and we literally just stared into each other's eyes for upwards of 10 minutes. Yes, THAT long, zero smiling just "feeling it". It wasn't creepy, it just turned me on. She actually approached me later with her friend and pretty much the whole year consisted of her hooking up with me. A lot of times in the middle of classes she'd bend over in front of me, give me sexual looks, feel each other up under the desk, all sorts of hotness... I tell you what I looked forward to lessons where she was in my class... Anyway I've gone a bit off topic you don't need to know about the boring details of my personal life. So I'll try and summarize:

When you make eye contact with a girl, don't just see it as a method of picking her up, just allow yourself to FEEL that intensity. This means remaining centred in yourself and your emotions... Not wandering off in your head thinking "this is awkward she probably finds this creepy? Have I stared for too long? Should I do this? Should I do that?" No. Just FEEL how ****ing outright SEXY it feels when a HOT girl is staring deep into your eyes. If your mind is in the right place and way of thinking, you will be able to experience those emotions. If you're too worried about what SHE'S thinking it will be awkward and probably creep her out/ have no emotional effect on her.

I imagine what you're doing is staring in their eyes for 0.1 seconds and smiling. As an example of what I mean, you know how in romance films when the two to-be lovers first see each other? See how they're looking at each other feeling that emotion, like "woah" rather than instantly smiling like a dork... And notice how there's emotion in it not just a blank stare because he thinks it's "what he should be doing"...

Be careful though you don't want to come across Bundy-like (CAUTION: Once she's looked away DON'T STAY FIXATED ON HER EYES. If she turns her head, then turns back and you're still deadpanning into her eyes and haven't moved a muscle that's CREEPY, picture it in your head to see what I mean), you should feel what she's feeling by the way she looks back at you. Again don't try to think about it, it will come across in almost a psychic way whether she's "feeling it" or not, if she IS, keep going, this means you're BOTH interested, she knows you are and you should realize so is she. You'll know if she's turned on/feeling the tension or if she's finding it weird. I've actually never met another guy in my whole life who does this and they're missing out. They always either smile too quickly and don't feel the sexuality or they look away really quickly without feeling it. You can smile at some points... For example if you're standing and a cute girl walks past locking eyes with you, maybe shoot her a smile at the point where she's walked past and taken a couple more steps with her head turned back to you... Things like that... Actually forget that example just enjoy the sexuality of it and do whatever feels right, you WILL know. I do this VERY often and the reactions you get are INSANE. I have never been called "creepy" or received a weirded out look because of it. Okay once I misjudged a girl's reaction and thought it was ON, and she turned to her friend like "why is this guy looking at me?" But believe me that was one time out of THOUSANDS and due to my own misjudgment. Oh and one final important thing, don't make weird "sexy" face expressions, you don't even need to, and it might come across in a weird way if you're forcing them on, or maybe desparate if you're squinting like you haven't had sex in years. It's all about calibration. There are inappropriate moments e.g. standing next to her whilst she's shopping, I can't say much more it's already tl;dr just use some social intelligence too.
 

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Hmmm... I like that. I think I'll experiment with it.
 

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Thanks. It sounds like there's a thin line between being sexy and being creepy.
 
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