Why am I scary?

[Jax]

So I've read a few Don Juan books like the The Book of Pook a while back and started improving on myself as a person not to mention my game. Before then countless people have told me I was attractive (on going), but I don't believe in just looks so I kept working on my game.

During my improvement I've:
(1) Pack on some muscle, get oggled all the time now by girls
(2) Better body language
(3) Develop strong inner values as a man should have

(a) Now that I've made good progress in those improvements, I've noticed that girls are now afraid to talk to me even in classroom situations.
-can't look me in the eye
-run when I try to say hi (not literally)
-mention boyfriend a ton in a casual conversation about school

(b) If girls are not afraid, then they tend to be neurotic and they act crazy when they are around me. (not complaining, just stating)
-acting like a little girl
-very mean to me when I hardly know them
-play tons of jealousy and mind games (barely talk to them)
-put me down as much as possible, heckle me

(c) When I think they are interested and they pursue and ask for my number and suggest we go places. They:
-They seem afraid of dates, but do come to lunches or study dates
-Add me on fb(their idea) and then delete me weeks later, sometimes
even when I haven't talked to them in a while (I verified,)...I don't
usually add ppl
-Look at me like why am I asking them out or they literally ask me

Those are what usually happens to me. With that being said I feel that I'm scaring away or intimidating these girls now after all my improvements.

Girls still approach me all the time, when I make move (not instantly) they give me the weird eyes. It seems I have to stand there and let them do everything, that works...thought guys were suppose to lead.

Note: I developed a lot of haters (mainly guys...friend included) that either try to tool me in public or discourage my efforts or even trying to c*ckblock me.

So I trying to figure out what I can do to not make people run away? And I know there are always haters, but if I could reduce the number.

Note: I have been developing an outgoing personality during this time too. It's been taking off quite nicely, still need to improve for those that are intimidated.

 

[yuppaz]

Why would you need to change yourself because of other peoples insecurity?

When girls start unprovekedly bringing up boyfriends...thats because they are reminding themselves because the like you sexually. That's ok, good for them...tell em so.

When friends / other guys compete / **** block - point that **** out. That's THEIR ego / insecurity / way of trying to be bigger. Don't allow that sh*t from strangers, but with friends point it out, tell them you won't accept that and forgive them for their ego's taking over.

When making a move and girls gice you strange looks - qualify a bit more first, and be chill about escalating things. Get her comfortable with your touch first.

You WILL get more sh*t then other guys because you stand out more and people try to knock you down a peg. That is allways THEIR PROBLEM - **** those losers, they don't matter in your world. Only respectfull, chill people that don't act like that are worth your time.

 

[Jax]

About Rejection and Approaches

@Epsi

I understand what you mean about expecting things to get easier, I've actually done the approaching and rejection phase while improving, I didn't mention it but I have gotten rejected a lot and done many approached as well during this process.

It doesn't bother me anymore to do an approach and get rejected, the point is that whenever they are into me (or not) they act as if I'm a killer standing in front of them. More or less, when I approach they pretty much make a run for it.

@Yuppaz

Your correct about confronting about the c*ckblocking, cost me a few friends and made a few enemies, but it must be done.

 

[FairShake]

Your post is begging to be validated. You want us to tell you that great looking guys always have to deal with girls acting not interested in them, acting mean to them, talking about their boyfriends.

I won't do that. It's my experience that good looking guys get the exact opposite reaction from women. Girls are usually nice to them, want to talk and flirt with them, and generally give them an easier time. If you're as good looking as you say your looks are NOT turning them off. Even if they are intimidated it's usually a very cute intimidation where they get a little quiet and shy. That other stuff sounds like your personality may be causing conflicts with them. My first guess might be ****iness and arrogance since I get a touch of that from this one post.

I could be wrong though since I'm not there.

 

[MrJibbles]

My two cents:

(a) Now that I've made good progress in those improvements, I've noticed that girls are now afraid to talk to me even in classroom situations.
-can't look me in the eye
-run when I try to say hi (not literally)
-mention boyfriend a ton in a casual conversation about school

I was under the impression that if a chick starts mentioning a boyfriend a lot, she's trying to get you to acknowledge the fact that she's taken. In other words, she doesn't want you to know that she's "single." At least that's what I've experienced with the last two girls who friendzoned me. Also, girls avoid eye and physical contact when they're DISINTERESTED in a guy, too. It depends on how they do it. Do they look down? To the side? Retreat submissively or roll off apathetically? Maybe your perception is distorted. That being said, maybe the girls are mentioning their bf's a lot as a demonstration of higher value (DHV spike) to validate themselves for you, but I don't know your situation exactly so I can't tell for sure.

(b) If girls are not afraid, then they tend to be neurotic and they act crazy when they are around me. (not complaining, just stating)
-acting like a little girl
-very mean to me when I hardly know them
-play tons of jealousy and mind games (barely talk to them)
-put me down as much as possible, heckle me

This is a toss-up. Sometimes girls will treat you like crap if they barely know you because they're jealous of your high value. But if they are genuinely disrespecting you, then there's a good chance they may not actually be attracted to you at all, especially if you don't know them that well. If they knew you a little better, teasing/heckling is always a good sign and a type of flirting.

(c) When I think they are interested and they pursue and ask for my number and suggest we go places. They:
-They seem afraid of dates, but do come to lunches or study dates
-Add me on fb(their idea) and then delete me weeks later, sometimes
even when I haven't talked to them in a while (I verified,)...I don't
usually add ppl
-Look at me like why am I asking them out or they literally ask me

That doesn't make you special. Girls like attention. They want to have somebody, especially a male, to have around when they eat or to help them with their homework. You may be an orbiter and not even realize it.

Girls still approach me all the time, when I make move (not instantly) they give me the weird eyes. It seems I have to stand there and let them do everything, that works...thought guys were suppose to lead.

I don't understand exactly what you mean by "weird eyes." Could you elaborate?

Note: I developed a lot of haters (mainly guys...friend included) that either try to tool me in public or discourage my efforts or even trying to c*ckblock me.

Hey bud, haterz gonna hate. They're not putting a dollar in your pocket by the end of the day, so f*** them. Keep doing what you're doing

Btw, I'm not trying to put you down in any of the above statements. I'm just playing devil's advocate and trying to be constructively critical. Give me more details and let me know what you think, OP

 

[ezio]

Nice work mr jibbles! Best response to the thread so far

 

[Jax]

Here's a twist

I was under the impression that if a chick starts mentioning a boyfriend a lot, she's trying to get you to acknowledge the fact that she's taken. In other words, she doesn't want you to know that she's "single." At least that's what I've experienced with the last two girls who friendzoned me. Also, girls avoid eye and physical contact when they're DISINTERESTED in a guy, too. It depends on how they do it. Do they look down? To the side? Retreat submissively or roll off apathetically? Maybe your perception is distorted. That being said, maybe the girls are mentioning their bf's a lot as a demonstration of higher value (DHV spike) to validate themselves for you, but I don't know your situation exactly so I can't tell for sure.

About avoiding eye, you could be right, but I meant in the sense that if I'm with my friend or a group and the girl(s) only know me (for years) they talk to me while looking that the other person. And these are girls that my friends keep saying that they like me.

About orbiting, I cut that out after a bad break up...I learned the hard way, girls usually seek me out to hang out or study together or eat with a big group of people, when there's really not much to study for.

About "weird eyes" it's when they look back at me (using side glances and head slightly turned) as they are walking away when I ask them out

The input is appreciated, I don't take it personally