Who you voting for?

[backseatjuan]

Obama, Romney, Other, or Who cares.....?

I know that candidate from other than the two main parties (single system) can't win, and I also know that the elite decided Romney is going to win this election. The question is who you voting for? Doesn't matter if you going to vote or not.


P.S. Mods, you can't tell me it is political blah blah - is NASCAR political? Well this is just like NASCAR. We just want to see the numbers, what people think, and we set forth who is going to win and why. 7th we'll compare it all and put a few things together.

 

[Mike32ct]

Romney.

Nothwithstanding, these same "elites" predicted a McCain win last time.

 

[backseatjuan]

^^Elites don't predict but do. Two different things.

Last time, post election, we find out that McCain was their man, and Obama got into office by chance - popular demand I guess. This is all documented by insider Lindsey Williams.

Thus you saying "these same elites predicted...." is just a lame ridicule attempt, it has no basis, nor it has any historical fact.

 

[Poonani Maker]

In the last "debate about "foreign" "policy" Obama withheld words that he'd stand with Israel "Militarily." Romney went full-on FULL-bore SAYING that he'd all-out stand with Israel including militarily, even that he would order a pre-emptive strike on Iran, Syria, you name it, whatever Israel wants. Well, that right there won Romney the election. I've now noticed hit-pieces by CNN, no less (usually an Obama backer), on Obama today 2 days after the final middle-east laden debate. The moderator at the end of the debate mispronounced Osama Bin Laden's name as Obama Bin Laden, it seemed like an accident, but could have been well-rehearsed to make it Seem like an accident to those watching, who may be swayed by that, dumb voters.

And finally, more evidence of their (the controlled media) deciding that Romney will win, comes with Youtube ads. I've noticed after months and months of pro-Obama ads on almost every video I decide to click on, that Now, 2 days after the debate, ads smearing Obama about the dire economy (he inherited from Bush/deregulation/rampant derivative gambling/real estate ponzi mecca mega theft going on thru to 2007/2008, and still today really even), obviously now all Youtube ads on videos I open up have switched to pro-Romney ads. Case closed.

 

[backseatjuan]

Last election Paul's man Chuck Baldwin got a lousy 200,000 votes. That's where the 3rd party stands, it can never win. Reason for that is money. Bellow is 2008 election, Money raised, money spent, votes, and amount per vote. Know why Obama won? He spent more than twice on his campaign. That's why he won and other dudes lost. Where is Johnson in terms of money? He can win, just have to write him a check for a billion dollars.

Barack Obama (D) $778,642,962 $760,370,195 69,498,215 $10.94
John McCain (R) $379,006,485 $346,666,422 59,948,240 $5.78
Ralph Nader (I) $4,496,180 $4,187,628 738,720 $5.67
Bob Barr (L) $1,383,681 $1,345,202 523,713 $2.57
Chuck Baldwin (C) $261,673 $234,309 199,437 $1.17
Cynthia McKinney (G) $240,130 $238,968 161,680 $1.48

 

[backbreaker]

In the last "debate about "foreign" "policy" Obama withheld words that he'd stand with Israel "Militarily." Romney went full-on FULL-bore SAYING that he'd all-out stand with Israel including militarily, even that he would order a pre-emptive strike on Iran, Syria, you name it, whatever Israel wants. Well, that right there won Romney the election. I've now noticed hit-pieces by CNN, no less (usually an Obama backer), on Obama today 2 days after the final middle-east laden debate. The moderator at the end of the debate mispronounced Osama Bin Laden's name as Obama Bin Laden, it seemed like an accident, but could have been well-rehearsed to make it Seem like an accident to those watching, who may be swayed by that, dumb voters.

I don't undestand exaclty what obama did wrong in this entire ordeal. his plan was exactly the same plan that bush had with north korea; sansnction the living crap out of them, bring them to the negotiation table, without costing the taxpayers any additional money and without losing any additional lives. You have to have both money and ambition to have a nuclear program. if yiou dont' have the money to fund a nuclear program it doesn't matter how bad you want one.

it worked. it worked to a T. And it worked with iran

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/world/iran-said-ready-to-talk-to-us-about-nuclear-program.html

Obama has played the situation perfectly, there are people who are just trigger happy and want to go to war.

I am surprised how trigger happy this country is even after the iraq war debacle. you would have thought we learned our lesson. I mean, I would think common sense would tell you that Obama is not scared to send troops into harms way if need be, he's more than shown he is not afraid to take military action when it calls for it. but he has also shown, that this is what he wants to do as a last resort, not a first which is what the GOP wants and what I don't agree with.

 

[backseatjuan]

Respect dude, but you are lost and confused. Military action is taken by first swaying public opinion, then a false flag of some sort (like Chemical weapons in Iraq), then the war. Exception have been Lebanon and Syria in which US funded Al Qaida to do the war. Have no doubt though, US troops are on the ground in Syria (and were in Lebanon), special forces that is, advisers, call it whatever you want, a small contingent of spetsnaz - Russian spetsnaz is there also. They taking out these small countries one at a time, up next, or down the road is Saudi Arabia as we already learned, Iran as a possible diversion, the big one is China.

WMD is just bull crap used on populous as an excuse to do sh't, go to war, sanctions, whatever. Irony is that Iraq didn't have WMD, yet US forces used white phosphorous (an internationally banned chemical weapon) in 2nd fight for Fallujah.

I'll be quite blunt, Obama is not pro black, not pro American, but he is pro banker. Difference between Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Clinton, Obama, and the next one Romney is none, just minor surface - like you said it in your post to me let the programmer change up graphics a little bit - POLICY IS THE SAME AND DICTATED BY PEOPLE YOU NEVER SEE AND DON'T KNOW ABOUT.

But back to your original post, to understand simply watch this when you have free time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnjoGWWjsHo

 

[Leporello]

If we attack Iran it's going to make Iraq look like a picnic...count me out.

Obama has the finesse to deal with the Iran situation and Romney doesn't. You can hate Obama all you want but Romney is just clueless.

 

[ARrocket]

Johnson

Seconded

Anybody watch the 3rd party debate on Tuesday night? That ish was awesome

 

[backbreaker]

Anyone who really studies history will tell you that it wasn't communism that truely brought the Russians to the economic collapse.. it didn't help whatsoever. But the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak was the never ending war with Afghanistan. It was an unwinnable war (which we did not help by funding and supplying afghan people with money and fire arms, at the time it was perfect strategy since Russia was our biggest enemy at the time)

they still haven't recovered form that and it was 20 years ago. You get in and you can't get out.

somehow we have managed to, at least for now, ride out the financial hardships that the Iraq war has coated. But the iran war, would be the straw that breaks the camel's back, beucase iran is the middle east fire starter. You start a war with Iran and 2 years later you have 3-4 wars going on different fronts in the middle east, it would literally be world war 3. All a World War takes is a country with friends getting bullied around. World War 1 was started on much less than the above.


also keep in mind China gets 80% of it's oil from Iran and Saudi Arabia. They aren't gonna sit by and just let us invade their biggest oil importer. if they have to pay more for oil, their entire economy implodes tey can't build **** as cheap as they do now which means we will look elsewhere to get our cheap ****

this is a war that you really, really, really, REALLY want to avoid.


I also think that Isreal is going to be sadly mistaken if they think we are going to help them out if they provoke a war. we will protect them but only if they are the ones being attacked. too much is at stake globally to get in a pissing match for no reason



so while that's a bridge that we will cross if we have to, excuse me for wanting to take the president who wants to avoid that scneerio if at all possible. There is no quick fix to this ****. You can call it the apology tour all you want as long as it keeps us not looking like Russia


I don't like to talk politics here for various reasons, mainly beucase I just think most of the people here dont' have a real educated opinion on the topic.. but i assure you i'm not clueless on the topic of american politics. there are just better places to become more informed on the issue than a site full of guys not having sex.

 

[Who Dares Win]

In Europe is no different, most of nations didnt even had a fvcking voting to ask the citizens if they wanted to join the common currency.

There are no such things as democracy, the only way people have a voice is through direct vote and re-seize of government to basic services only.

If law was to be choosen from citizens probably the whole gipsy people would stop receiving tax money and probably be kicked out, drugs would be legalized and punishment for criminals would not be as soft as it is now and so on.
While for some factors a direct democracy would be great for others would be terrible, there would be no european union probably let alone economical agreements between countries.

 

[Desdinova]

P.S. Mods, you can't tell me it is political blah blah

Blah blah blah BLAH BLAH. Blah blah blah blaaaah.

Blah blah.