who is more entitled?

[penkitten]

this thread is a rant that i have brought home from work. i am so sick of carrying the burdens of my work home with me, so i thought i should share them with you.

3 years ago, i rent a one bedroom apt to a man. lets call him fred.i know fred from way back, cause his sister rented from me twice already and his momma comes down now and then to have coffee with me.
fred is disabled and needs something based on his income, which is what my apartments are... based on low income.
fred pays his rent on time, fred keeps his home in order and fred is friendly.
fred is in his 30s and has visitation of his children on weekends.
fred pays his support for those children, i know because he shows me receipts all the time.
fred was lonely all the time but made 2 really good guy friends in his building. 3 years went by fast.

a woman ( lets call her wilma) applies for my waiting list to get an apartment for her and her two kids. the younger one is only 6 and his dad is in the hospital dying of cancer or something. i finally get her approved for a unit, and when i call, she has moved in with her new boyfriend fred fredstone.

so i have to call up fred and ask what is going on, you cant be moving wilma and two kids into your unit without talking to me first. the unit is too small. wilma drags him down to my office. he says wilma is his brand new gf and they intend to get married.
isnt she married ? no , her husband died last week.
so fred requests that we put her and the kiddies on his lease and transfer them into a bigger unit. since fred is a good resident, we take her off our waiting list to rent it to someone else , we put her on the lease.

while waiting on a bigger unit to come open, the housekeeping starts going downhill and things pile up outside. i gripe and write my lease violations, but the two of them always come in and say its only like that due to lack of space, as soon as they get a better unit, it will go back to normal.
i can understand that.

i get a bigger unit to put them in, and it takes them 3 times as long to complete the move. i have to threaten they will pay the market amount on the second unit unless they turn the keys in on the first unit. so at the last possible second, he brings me the keys. hes moved everything without help, she doesnt feel well and might need a surgery.

i have to charge them big money for damages that happened to the old unit which included a fire in the stove. he fights with me about it. i stick to my guns on the "you break it you bought it, you dirty it, we charge you for a cleaning person to clean it" routine.

they are now in a beautiful 2 bedroom unit.
but it doesnt stay beautiful, its not been 6 whole months and i am writing them up monthly due to bad housekeeping, things piled up outside and then there is a new fire in the stove. this time there is wood in there. the neighbors say that wilma was cooking onion rings on a piece of wood in the electric oven. when new bills or lease violations go out, he comes in with his mouth.
i guess i understand that no one wants to pay for anything, and they feel if they ***** enough they can get their way, but i have had it.

i tell wilma that i need certain documents and can no longer use the temporary ones. she never brings them in no matter how many times i ask or send letters.

then its time to do paperwork, and they come to do it, return it, but when it is ready for them to sign, no one will come in.

i send all this to my attorney. he gives them 15 days to correct it all.
well the house gets cleaned up, and outside, and he comes to sign the paperwork but not her. he brings me copies of where she applied to get more documents as another temporary thing. because of they type of complex i am, i must work with them on the document fetching.

rent is now becoming late, and court gets called, but he pays at last minute and i work with him because he is desperate.

---- now to the good stuff----
i have to write a letter saying sign this paperwork wilma or i have to turn it over for eviction and market rent is due instead of based on income.

i have to write a letter saying pay the rest of your attorney fees and repairs or i going to evict you.

then he stomps in after i get back from vacation to cuss me out over a hose.
he had a hose hooked up to my water while i was on vacation to fill up kiddie pools that are not allowed and the maintenance man took his hose.
i give the hose back and tell him if he uses the water again for a kiddie pool i will charge him the water bill.

complaints start coming in that fred and wilma are fighting outside about their sex life and cussing each other in front of kids.
the police come out.

fred marches in to tell me wilma used him to get into his apartment and is now screwing his friend and that he is not marrying her and wants her off the lease.
wilma says fred is emotionally and physically her and her 6 yr old and that she has no where else to go and she wants him off the lease.
they each want me to evict the other one.
i explain to each that i can not evict part of the household , i evict the whole household. i can not force either to sign their name off the lease. it is up to them to decide who stays and who goes.

he says that is my place and i was there first.
she says my kids have no where else to go.

he comes back to demand i evict her because she let her mother and her pregnant 16 yr old (that wilmas mom has custody of) move in.
i give him a letter saying that the two of them had 7 days to get rid of the guests and show proof or they would be under eviction.

he comes back saying there are 3 cats in there. i give him a letter saying that if the two of them dont get rid of the cats in 15 days they will be under eviction.
he says she never even ordered those documents you told her to, she just filled out the form as if she were gonna. so i write another lease violation that if it isnt provided in 15 days i will start eviction.

he says "how do i get the extra people she let move in out?"
i give him a copy of the lease and say tell them to leave or call the police , its your home, they dont have to be there. you let them move in and you let her let them.

the police come to visit me. the two of them let wilmas kin move in, and to make them leave, since they have been there since easter and received mail, he would have to go to the sheriff place and complete a 90 process of paperwork.. i tell officer our rules and how they dont have that long or i will evict them all. police say house keeping is horrible conditions.
me and police pay a visit.
during visit, it comes out that he whips on her kids. police say he is not their parent and can not lay a hand on them.
we all leave, knowing all they will do is fight, but neither is willing to leave no matter what i suggest. but it is not up to me to determine who stays.

neighbor starts calling, the 6 yr old is now going outside in the early morning to take a **** on the ground. he is too scared to wake up the parents to go to the bathroom. i call police.

today wilma calls wanting to tell me she got a epo on fred and that she intends for him to leave and wants to move her mom and pregnant kid in. i say first, i can not take him off that lease unless the epo judge says i must at your court date in two weeks, second i can only add one person not 2 and 1/2 people more to that lease if he were to leave.

the police come pay me a visit. the epo is served and because she has kids, she gets to stay, he must not come within 500 ft of her until court date.

he comes in ranting wanting me to give him another apartment right now. my waiting list is a year long. i have nothing to offer him, plus until the court date, i cant remove his name off that lease.

he doesnt want his stuff moved, trashed, damaged, gotten rid of, stolen and the officer says that she isnt allowed to do anything with it until after court date. fred is still upset and unsure and now homeless.

fred has no money in the middle of the month to even rent a storage unit.
fred is not just behind on things with me, but he tells me he hasnt paid his child support in 2 or 3 months because of wilma. wilma wont work anymore or clean the house. wilma used him from the get go and he cant believe he fell for it. fred's sister had to come bail him out at the end of the day.

fred's neighbor calls saying this is horse****, fred was their "stepdad" last week and was told to spank the kids and then this week she files an epo on him, however he did almost break his hand spanking the kid last week.

the court date is in 2 weeks, who will the judge say gets the place?
the disabled man with limited low income who was a good resident until she came along, who must have a place to live based on his income?
or the poor widowed single woman with two children ( who is not disabled in any way) who knows how to work the system?

if the judge says he can keep the place, she will be gone with her family and things. his housekeeping will go back to normal and he can make an agreement on his bill with us to pay it back.

if she stays, the housekeeping wont improve, the cats wont go anywhere, the unauthorized guests will stick around, more stove fires will occur and she doesnt have a penny to pay the bill with us. i will never receive the documents .i will have to start eviction.

he asked me to write a letter of recommendation for him to use in court, but i told him i wanted to talk to my boss first. perhaps she will just let me copy the whole file for him to take with him since we are supposed to do that if they ever actually ask for it. perhaps she will let me attend the court date ...
perhaps they should both leave.... that would make me feel better if they both just moved the hell out. however, it isnt about what would make me feel better, its about doing my job and it really isnt for me to determine who should stay and who should go.

 

[hithard]

Something you see every day without a second thought. But (for me) once laid out in black and white, is very captivating to read how a man destroys his own life. A lot of the time mans downfall is loneliness.

Oh and Ho's

 

[Warrior74]

See what being desperate can get you. That guy needs this site.

 

[DJDamage]

The courts might grant her the apartment because it might be more sympathetic to the plight of her helpless children above everything else. This woman sounds trashy and child services probably should take her kids away. As for Fred I feel sorry for the guy but he ain't too bright and he brought this on himself.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Kitty baby, you're going to have to be the b1tch's bastard and force her and her crumbsnatchers out. Don't let Fred Fredstone back either. Wash your hands of all of them. This is a lesson he needs to learn. This douche needs her lesson too.

It's obvious she is schooled in manipulating the law in her favor so turn it around. Can't someone make an accusation of drug use or child sexual proclivities going on in that hell hole? There are various ways to skin this cvnt.

Fred is a nice guy. Nice guys end up in the rear.

Now, we need to turn to you. You're miserable there and your heart will become blackened by all of this negativity. Certainly you can find another occupation somewhere else where the stress won't stop your heart?

All of my best to you punkin' pie.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Iron Rule of Tomassi #4

NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren't married to or are not planning to marry in within 6 months.

You are utterly powerless in this situation. NEVER buy a home with a girlfriend, NEVER sign a rental lease with a girlfriend. NEVER agree to move into her home and absolutely NEVER move a woman into your own established living arrangement. I'm adamantly opposed to the "shacking up" dynamic, it is a trap that far too many men allow themselves to fall into. My fervor agianst this isn't based on some moral issue, it it simple pragmatism. I know guys right now living in the pit of misery with women they signed apartment leases with for a year and are basically living with their exes now for the duration. If you live with a woman you may as well be married because upon doing so every liability and accountability of marriage is then in effect. You not only lose any freedom of anonymity, you commit legally to being responsible for the continuation of your living arrangements regardless of how your relationship decays.

I should also emphasize the point that when you commit (and it is a financial commitment, doubly so with a dog) to cohabiting with a GF you will notice a marked decrease in her sexual availability and desire, trust me on this. All of that competitive anxiety and it's resulting sexual tension that made your single sex life so great is removed from her shoulders and she can comfortably relax in the knowledge that she is your ONLY source of sexual intimacy. Putting your name on that lease with her (even if it's just your name) is akin to signing an insurance polcy for her - "I the undersigned herby promise not to ƒuck any woman but this girl for a one year term." She thinks, "if he wasn't serious about me, he wouldn't have signed the lease." Now all of that impetus and energy that made having marathon sex with you an outright necessity is relaxed. She controls the frame and she's got it in writing that it is for at least a year. And in your case it doesn't sound as if she's all that sexually available in the first place.

Just don't do it. Relationships last best when you spin more plates or at the very least keep each other at arm's distance.


Granted, this is an extreme case, but the same principles are at work.

 

[thedeparted]

Rollo is right. And sadly, our court system is owned by feminist liberal fvckheads who assume that men are guilty from the get go. Fred is guilty of being a typical lonely, not-too-bright guy. Wilma is guilty of being a typical manipulative biatch. Fred will learn from his mistakes. Wilma will continue to reproduce and prey on other men. Too bad women are never held accountable for anything.

 

[horaholic]

This is downright depressing.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Penkitten,
Yeah you are a wonderfully empathetic lady,your reward will be in another place.....Sad situation and as the Economic carnage continues we will see a lot more of these sorts of things.....Moral of the story,restrain your consumption,improve your qualifications,get a secure job and save your money....Then while the Streets are still running with blood,say not next winter but the one after,put a deposit on a house in your name,buy the poorest piece of real estate in a good street,close to public transport(Very important)then move in with a couple of honest respectable GUYS who you are confident you can control and who have a secure cash flow,they will help pay the mortgage,in 10 years you will own your own little bollard of security around which to anchor your dreams,in real terms your real estate will have doubled in value...When you move into your little piece of heaven,buy a rather large piece of flat stone,erect it in the garden and then with a hammer and chisel,carve out word for word in Roman letters one inch high, EVERYTHING that Rollo has written in his little contribution above,at some appropriate point add a further maxim....Thou shalt never lend a Woman Money....

 

[penkitten]

Dear Penkitten,
Yeah you are a wonderfully empathetic lady,your reward will be in another place.....Sad situation and as the Economic carnage continues we will see a lot more of these sorts of things.....Moral of the story,restrain your consumption,improve your qualifications,get a secure job and save your money....Then while the Streets are still running with blood,say not next winter but the one after,put a deposit on a house in your name,buy the poorest piece of real estate in a good street,close to public transport(Very important)then move in with a couple of honest respectable GUYS who you are confident you can control and who have a secure cash flow,they will help pay the mortgage,in 10 years you will own your own little bollard of security around which to anchor your dreams,in real terms your real estate will have doubled in value...When you move into your little piece of heaven,buy a rather large piece of flat stone,erect it in the garden and then with a hammer and chisel,carve out word for word in Roman letters one inch high, EVERYTHING that Rollo has written in his little contribution above,at some appropriate point add a further maxim....Thou shalt never lend a Woman Money....

i already bought a house for my family... and
i do not think my husband or children would want a bunch of guys moving in haha!

 

[LoneSilver]

I managed a 48 unit apartment complex that was regulated by Farmers Home Administration FHA...The lease rules and regulations was also FHA.

These apartments were based on income low to moderate. The tenant had to have income enough to lease and afford base rent..I also managed a 36 unit apartment complex the same way only it was for senior citizens. I did this from 1983 to 1993 and all I can say is once an opportunity knocked to become a partner in home building I took the risk and left even though I was offered a district management position with the management company which would entitle me with more headaches but more money I didn't care.

I worked under a managment company that changed hands a few times in that 10 years but what finally pissed me off was I *****ed and *****ed for higher pay even though the apartment was a given and rent paid plus salary and the extra for doing maintinance. But from the time the original managment company owners were found in fault using deposit money from all the apartment complexes they owned in 3 states to fund their own non FHA apartment complex offering vacations and stuff to get future tenants to move in their apartments when I later found out these jackasses for owners had the balls to empty the deposit accounts from my apartment where for years to make this apartment complex as successful as it was I sacarficed time and again to buy equipment to trim the bushes bought paint out of my own pocket to not charge for maintinance or for painting an apartment or for cleaning.

These turkeys knew this then to have this happen made me very angry because it took a few years to get the apartments back in the black as well as coming under a different management company where the new company acted like smart ass. Then the conflict of interest came in to play where the 48 units got divided by two seperate managment companies having to deal with different paper work from the two got to be to much plus one offered me more money then the other. The FHA paper work and certification was retarded each tenant had like 15 different pieces of paper work in order to qualify for lease plus having the main FHA people come in from Washington to look the place over looking your paper work over trying to find something to write you up on was a bit nerve wacking at times I could go on and on.

I never would have thought in a milliion years these men would do such a thing but I have sense learned things happen for a reason but it didn't make me feel any better at the time.

Now coupled with the headaches of tenants not all but having to be awaken out of sleep 2 in the morning because a tenant is playing their music to loud and you ring their apartment getting no answer then you have to go to the apartment to find no one is there where the tenant is beng cute doing it on purpose by leaving. So I key the apartment and turn it off but being a ****y ass I was I went to the main electra meter and shut their main electric off Revenge always felt so good when they returned and then show up at your door knocking and I decide I won't answer

I always had a play book of sorts even though I could have gotten in trouble doing this and loosing my job I really didn't care or the time a tenant would bring in a lover where they werent' on the lease and I would confront them if they are staying more then 30 days they have to be put on the lease and I'll need to get an income statement on him to see how much more the rent would be. This would go on and on for a couple months then they'd get smart with me then that's where the fun started.

While they weren't looking I would head to the back of the apartment complex building where their air condiioner was and pull the breaker..This would always work wonders during the summer cause you just knew want they were doing in there..sure... having sex and having sex with no air conditoner during real hot temps is rough very uncomfortable

A few hours later I hear a knock at my door my air conditioner isn't cooling it just runs..I tell her I'll call All Seasons but I don't of coarse and I tell her it will be tomorrow before they can get to it

I made sure I made it very uncomfortable to any tenant that gave me sh*t to being on top of any problem with the good paying on time tenants..

To this day I still get people telling me the apartments have not been the same since I left. The grounds look like sh*t and it looks run down.

I could write a book on so much other stuff it would make you wonder how I kept my cool with all the stuff that goes on in managing an apartment complex you have to have a thick skin for sure and I haven't even covered when a tenant decided to be an ass and call the local news to make a mole hill out of nothing thats when the fun really started.

Hell I just realized I didn't get to the 36 unit apartment complex where the senior citizens were where I had to shut down the whole apartment complex because the way the plumping was. This one tenant having dementia forgot you don't pour grease down a sink and toilet or flush paper towels down it or wash cloths, candy wrappers

I am sure Penkittens fustration is justified a management job in these types of apartments where they're based on income is a different story all together then from a private owned apartment complex if you don't have a stress outlet it effects your health and well being real quick.

LoneSilver

 

[penkitten]

lonestar, did you ever have to tell people not to cook with wood in an electric stove? or do not try to dry your socks in the oven? or my personal favorite is them trying to tell me "it was broke like that when i moved in" (was not)