Who here wants to get married and why?

[ChristopherColumbus]

Oh boy, this thread has certainly highlighted the 'issues' people have here....

 

[sazc]

Blind, self assigned victim, can't self actualize, zero introspection skills

Equals

Will remain unhappy and bitter while blaming everyone else

"Sir"

 

[Urbanyst]

Most men can’t get laid. That’s facts enough.

FALSE.

Most men can get laid. Just not by HOT women.

Please....

And "deserve" has nothing to do with anything. Women don't "deserve" sh*t either just for being women.

And I was referring to the type of women I mentioned before. If you refuse to admit that you’ve found any woman worthy at all throughout your whole life, either you just suck at life, don’t go out much, are angry and bitter because you were too stupid and inexperienced with women to guard yourself, or you weren’t/aren’t a man. Maybe some combination of the above. Anyone who’s actually HAD worldly experience knows what I’m talking about. You clearly don’t

LOL.

A 17 year old is going to tell ME about worldly experience??

Remember when I said to respond with FACTS? So far you are railing miserably at it.

So who is the STUPID one again? lol.

 

[Urbanyst]

Oh boy, this thread has certainly highlighted the 'issues' people have here....

The main "issue" people have here is stupidity lol.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Well, one thing this site has taught me is that the 'hot' woman is less desirable.... if that makes any sense... and it does if desirability is relative to what you choose to desire. Too often today, we take desire as a given, and I think this reflects a loss of control.

Lately, I have actually found the overly done-up and made-up bimbos quite repulsive, and have rather been paying closer attention to the more 'average' women. These women tended once to fly under the radar, but now, once you have paid some attention to them, and know what to look for, you actually find quite sexy.... and to bring it back to the topic of this thread, from this pool of women would most likely be found the marriageable ones... if such ones are thought to still exist.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

FALSE.

Most men can get laid. Just not by HOT women.

Please....

And "deserve" has nothing to do with anything. Women don't "deserve" sh*t either just for being women.




LOL.

A 17 year old is going to tell ME about worldly experience??

Remember when I said to respond with FACTS? So far you are railing miserably at it.

So who is the STUPID one again? lol.

LOL so you actively register ugly women on your radar. That’s proof enough of YOU being low value yourself. No wonder why you can’t see what I’m saying. I have responded with facts time and time again. All you have done is insult. The roles are reversed it seems. You may be older, but have the mind of a 13 year old. You DO have less experience than I Urbanyst. Read your own responses. No one with experience responds the way you have hahahaha

 

[Urbanyst]

LOL so you actively register ugly women on your radar. That’s proof enough of YOU being low value yourself. No wonder why you can’t see what I’m saying. I have responded with facts time and time again. All you have done is insult. The roles are reversed it seems. You may be older, but have the mind of a 13 year old. You DO have less experience than I Urbanyst. Read your own responses. No one with experience responds the way you have hahahaha

LOL.

Nope. I only deal with HOT women and I've never had issues attracting them. My issue is the market today is TRASH regarding the values and personalities of women today. Not their physical appearance. HOT women are everywhere and the market for sex is fantastic.

Right now the insults are primarily coming from YOU because you cannot support your idiotic claims with FACTS. All you provide is half-baked Hollywood movie talking points and wishful thinking disguised and intellectual discourse lol.

You are probably a virgin.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

LOL.

Nope. I only deal with HOT women and I've never had issues attracting them. My issue is the market today is TRASH regarding the values and personalities of women today. Not their physical appearance. HOT women are everywhere and the market for sex is fantastic.

Right now the insults are primarily coming from YOU because you cannot support your idiotic claims with FACTS. All you provide is half-baked Hollywood movie talking points and wishful thinking disguised and intellectual discourse lol.

You are probably a virgin.

Ah yes, the calling of another being a virgin. Only virgins do that, or those who VERY recently lost their virginity. Only non-virgins know that. You’ve already proved yourself to everyone reading that you don’t know what you’re talking about and are only looking for confirmation bias. I’m not even going to try to argue about how you attracting hot women with ease is a lie. I could, but I’m not. Good luck advancing in your career if you think you already know everything. That in and of itself shows you to be a bigger idiot than most others haha

 

[Asasione]

The main "issue" people have here is stupidity lol.

Which you seem to display every time you post sadly, your hyperbole is excessive in your arguments. Just state what you want without acting like an arse and stop acting like you're winning the argument when the whole point of this thread is discussion. You won't change anyone's mind with your posts and especially with the attitude you have, you have some good points but your delivery is lacking. Worse yet you are trying to use logic in a one sided manner to bend the facts to your liking. I personally don't care whether I get married or not, the laws in my country are great for marriage so I am not paranoid about being cleaned out like you guys but a lot of great ideas in this thread.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

And "deserve" has nothing to do with anything. Women don't "deserve" sh*t either just for being women.

This is more or less the same thing Buddha said a long time ago. Expecting something and not getting it is the source of all pain. Most guys are pissed because they think they "deserve" a hot loyal wife simply understanding "red pill" ideas. Women think they "deserve" a rich generous husband because what their popularity on social media alludes to.

Both are pissed. I'd say a great many people are angry today because of a mismatch in their sense of "entitlement" and reality.

 

[Urbanyst]

Ah yes, the calling of another being a virgin. Only virgins do that, or those who VERY recently lost their virginity. Only non-virgins know that. You’ve already proved yourself to everyone reading that you don’t know what you’re talking about and are only looking for confirmation bias. I’m not even going to try to argue about how you attracting hot women with ease is a lie. I could, but I’m not. Good luck advancing in your career if you think you already know everything. That in and of itself shows you to be a bigger idiot than most others haha

How is providing FACTS not knowing what I'm talking about lol?

• The DIVORCE rate is close to 50% FACT
• A CONTRACT is not necessary for a good LTR... FACT
• Women's personalities change over time.. FACT
• Divorce courts favor WOMEN.. FACT.

What FACTS can you provide? Some sh*t you saw in a Emma Stone movie? lol.

Please...

Which you seem to display every time you post sadly, your hyperbole is excessive in your arguments. Just state what you want without acting like an arse and stop acting like you're winning the argument when the whole point of this thread is discussion. You won't change anyone's mind with your posts and especially with the attitude you have, you have some good points but your delivery is lacking. Worse yet you are trying to use logic in a one sided manner to bend the facts to your liking. I personally don't care whether I get married or not, the laws in my country are great for marriage so I am not paranoid about being cleaned out like you guys but a lot of great ideas in this thread.

The question is why is marriage SMART?

The topic of the discussion is not Urbanyst and his conversation style lol.

 

[Urbanyst]

This is more or less the same thing Buddha said a long time ago. Expecting something and not getting it is the source of all pain. Most guys are pissed because they think they "deserve" a hot loyal wife simply understanding "red pill" ideas. Women think they "deserve" a rich generous husband because what their popularity on social media alludes to.

Both are pissed. I'd say a great many people are angry today because of a mismatch in their sense of "entitlement" and reality.

Indeed. Entitlement is running amok these days.

The world really doesn't owe anyone sh*t. Not men, not women, not cats, not dogs. No one.

That's why people like @ImTheDoubleGreatest! who say idiotic things like "most men don't deserve women" are clearly wearing DONKEY SHOES and should not be taken seriously lol. "Deserve" has jack sh*t to do with anything.

Furthermore.. I don't believe the TRASH market of today is a problem because men are entitled to a nice wife. Its more a problem because it makes LTR's not worth the trouble and marriage even more stupid than it was before.

 

[exhausted]

Well, one thing this site has taught me is that the 'hot' woman is less desirable.... if that makes any sense... and it does if desirability is relative to what you choose to desire. Too often today, we take desire as a given, and I think this reflects a loss of control.

Lately, I have actually found the overly done-up and made-up bimbos quite repulsive, and have rather been paying closer attention to the more 'average' women. These women tended once to fly under the radar, but now, once you have paid some attention to them, and know what to look for, you actually find quite sexy.... and to bring it back to the topic of this thread, from this pool of women would most likely be found the marriageable ones... if such ones are thought to still exist.

I'm at the point where I would almost sell.my soul to the devil for just a nice and loving 6.5..

That is how God awful terrible the market is woth schit worthless women

 

[Tenacity]

Indeed. Entitlement is running amok these days.

The world really doesn't owe anyone sh*t. Not men, not women, not cats, not dogs. No one.

That's why people like @ImTheDoubleGreatest! who say idiotic things like "most men don't deserve women" are clearly wearing DONKEY SHOES and should not be taken seriously lol. "Deserve" has jack sh*t to do with anything.

Furthermore.. I don't believe the TRASH market of today is a problem because men are entitled to a nice wife. Its more a problem because it makes LTR's not worth the trouble and marriage even more stupid than it was before.

Dude we clearly won this discussion/debate.....even @guru1000 started to realize that and bailed lol. We were winning so much that they literally tried to change the topic of the debate multiple times:

- They tried to change it to some Law of Attraction/Positive Affirmation type of pseudo B.S. and that failed

- They tried to change it to Tenacity being "crazy" and that failed

- They have tried to flat out lie about a man ONLY being able to see his children if he was/is married, which again is a flat out lie.

- They are now trying to change it to @Urbanyst's "tone" and that is failing

Instead of all of these insane tactics, I would love to see someone come up with real reasons (other than the ones I provided in this post) as to why a man in 2018 should get married. Stop the non-sense and provide a good structured argument. Oh I forgot........they can't because there really ISN'T any strong argument to be provided here. Everybody and their "momma" knows we are living in a completely different time and LTRs along with Marriage structures are in a GREAT DEPRESSION.

 

[Sal]

BeDivorced and Ponzi cannot provide a good structured argument as they know that way their argument would be torn apart. Instead they dance around with their argument going all over the place to either attempt to cause confusion or tire out the opposing team.

They lost and they know it.​

 

[BeExcellent]

How is providing FACTS not knowing what I'm talking about lol?

• The DIVORCE rate is close to 50% FACT
• A CONTRACT is not necessary for a good LTR... FACT
• Women's personalities change over time.. FACT
• Divorce courts favor WOMEN.. FACT.

What FACTS can you provide?

The question is why is marriage SMART?

The answer to why is marriage smart is obviously IT DEPENDS. On what it depends has everything to do with the two people in the individual decision, nothing more.

The "give me FACTS group" cannot grasp that generalizations and back end statistics DO NOT APPLY in forward thinking subjective decisions. I mean using that logic, we are ALL going to die, and none of us know when. So under the logic of Urbanyst and Tenacity we may as well give up now and all kill ourselves because we will all be worm fodder in the end one of these days. Y'all are FATALISTS and cannot imagine anybody being happy being married. Well SURPRISE! Millions of people are and the reason they are is they do not suffer from the fatalistic view you guys have. That FATALISTIC VIEW is why you have failed to this point to meet worthwhile women, and you'll continue to fail for as long as you retain that mindset. I 100% GUARANTEE it.

Whether or not to get married and who to get married to and what value it has are all entirely SUBJECTIVE. That is why nobody can accurately predict whether any one individual marriage will fall into the 50% that succeed or the 50% that fail (and that's allowing your assumption, which I disagree with that 50% of marriages fail, which is a debatable statistic even among people who research this sort of thing.)

Lots of men in this thread understand that their individual lives are not determined by back end statistics. Those are the many men who have said, "Sure, I'd get married under the right circumstances." That means of course, contingent on picking out the right partner, something Tenacity and Urbanyst (who can't even get a GF for a year), STINK at doing.

Not ONE of you who say you have won the argument (it's a discussion you dim wits, not a win/lose contest) can account for all the SUCCESSFUL marriages out there. Oh you'll discount them and say "Oh well those guys aren't happy, etc. etc. etc.", but in fact I deal with married couples every day through my professional endeavors as well as know many personally who are deeply satisfied, happy, and grateful for their marriages. You can't deny the prevalence of marriage and you can't deny that there are plenty of nameless, faceless, happily married people in the world. Y'all aren't among them. Awwwwwwww.

And I'm not either, but I don't care. I'm not going around asking questions out of bitterness for the purpose of ridiculing people on an anonymous internet form. I think it's HYSTERICAL that you guys are this hung up and invested in these other men who DO want to be married someday. Y'all are the crabs pulling the other guys back down because God forbid, someone you see as an equal gets a better result out of life than you are getting.

Your toxic attitudes completely block your own happiness. Otherwise you'd just be happy to spin plates here for the rest of your days like deesade or RangerMike. Those guys are not here shaming anybody one way or another, they could care less.

So if you think getting married is a bad deal under any and all circumstances...Super simple folks... . Don't do it. Nobody cares if you do or not at the end of the day anyway.

But to call for FACTS when FACTS are irrelevant? Utterly adolescent logic (or, well, lack thereof.) You cannot use back end generalized statistics to evaluate subjective individual decisions and their merits. The merits are subjective and therefore irrespective of whatever FACTS you think you want to see.

So you are asking the wrong question in asking for fact. And you can't even recognize the folly of your line of reasoning. No wonder you get the results you do, LOL.

 

[exhausted]

It's simple..

If we, man can find a wonderful honorable and loyal companion that will benefit us in every way of course we would want to get married.

However, you can't trust anyone now a days, therefore it is a personal choice to take that CHANCE or not.

Marriage would benefit both parties if it were done right.

 

[Urbanyst]

The answer to why is marriage smart is obviously IT DEPENDS. On what it depends has everything to do with the two people in the individual decision, nothing more.

The "give me FACTS group" cannot grasp that generalizations and back end statistics DO NOT APPLY in forward thinking subjective decisions. I mean using that logic, we are ALL going to die, and none of us know when. So under the logic of Urbanyst and Tenacity we may as well give up now and all kill ourselves because we will all be worm fodder in the end one of these days. Y'all are FATALISTS and cannot imagine anybody being happy being married. Well SURPRISE! Millions of people are and the reason they are is they do not suffer from the fatalistic view you guys have. That FATALISTIC VIEW is why you have failed to this point to meet worthwhile women, and you'll continue to fail for as long as you retain that mindset. I 100% GUARANTEE it.

Horse sh*t argument.

We are going to die anyway.. sure.. BUT there is not a 50% chance of dying tomorrow. Nore is continuing to live almost guaranteed to lead to losing half the MONEY you spent your life earning along with kids and respect lol.

We are not talking about HAPPY. We are talking about SMART.

Why is marriage SMART? Not interested in your emotional sh*t.

Whether or not to get married and who to get married to and what value it has are all entirely SUBJECTIVE. That is why nobody can accurately predict whether any one individual marriage will fall into the 50% that succeed or the 50% that fail (and that's allowing your assumption, which I disagree with that 50% of marriages fail, which is a debatable statistic even among people who research this sort of thing.)

I also disagree with the 50%. Its more like 80% when you consider how many marriages are just MISERABLE. If we want to talk about "Happy" marriage is an even bigger FAIL lol.

Funny you are talking about "subjective" now when earlier you were all about "vetting" lol.

Pick a street and stay on it, BeExcellent.

Lots of men in this thread understand that their individual lives are not determined by back end statistics. Those are the many men who have said, "Sure, I'd get married under the right circumstances." That means of course, contingent on picking out the right partner, something Tenacity and Urbanyst (who can't even get a GF for a year), STINK at doing.

Stop with the LIES. I have dumped several of my Girlfriends.

I never said I can't MAKE a relationship last longer than a year. More like.. I can't find one that is satisfying for longer than a year.

You SUCK AT FACTS lol.

Not ONE of you who say you have won the argument (it's a discussion you dim wits, not a win/lose contest) can account for all the SUCCESSFUL marriages out there. Oh you'll discount them and say "Oh well those guys aren't happy, etc. etc. etc.", but in fact I deal with married couples every day through my professional endeavors as well as know many personally who are deeply satisfied, happy, and grateful for their marriages. You can't deny the prevalence of marriage and you can't deny that there are plenty of nameless, faceless, happily married people in the world. Y'all aren't among them. Awwwwwwww.

So what? Doesn't make it a SMART thing to do.

Many people are "successful" at driving without a seat-belt. Doesn't make it SMART.

And I'm not either, but I don't care. I'm not going around asking questions out of bitterness for the purpose of ridiculing people on an anonymous internet form. I think it's HYSTERICAL that you guys are this hung up and invested in these other men who DO want to be married someday. Y'all are the crabs pulling the other guys back down because God forbid, someone you see as an equal gets a better result out of life than you are getting.

You have it backwards. We are lifting each other UP by helping each other avoid STUPID decisions like marriage lol.

Your toxic attitudes completely block your own happiness. Otherwise you'd just be happy to spin plates here for the rest of your days like deesade or RangerMike. Those guys are not here shaming anybody one way or another, they could care less.

So if you think getting married is a bad deal under any and all circumstances...Super simple folks... . Don't do it. Nobody cares if you do or not at the end of the day anyway.

You clearly CARE a lot. That's why you are using this thread to write a novel about how MEN should make idiotic decisions that favor WOMEN. Of course because you are a woman and marriage is a much smarter choice for YOU than it would be for ME.

Compare all my posts in this thread to yours and see who wrote more horse sh*t. Your keyboard must be on its last leg lol.

But to call for FACTS when FACTS are irrelevant? Utterly adolescent logic (or, well, lack thereof.) You cannot use back end generalized statistics to evaluate subjective individual decisions and their merits. The merits are subjective and therefore irrespective of whatever FACTS you think you want to see.

So you are asking the wrong question in asking for fact. And you can't even recognize the folly of your line of reasoning. No wonder you get the results you do, LOL.

FACTS are always relevant.

There are no situations where FACTS are not relevant. None.

You are too old to be this naive.

 

[Urbanyst]

Dude we clearly won this discussion/debate.....even @guru1000 started to realize that and bailed lol. We were winning so much that they literally tried to change the topic of the debate multiple times:

- They tried to change it to some Law of Attraction/Positive Affirmation type of pseudo B.S. and that failed

- They tried to change it to Tenacity being "crazy" and that failed

- They have tried to flat out lie about a man ONLY being able to see his children if he was/is married, which again is a flat out lie.

- They are now trying to change it to @Urbanyst's "tone" and that is failing

Instead of all of these insane tactics, I would love to see someone come up with real reasons (other than the ones I provided in this post) as to why a man in 2018 should get married. Stop the non-sense and provide a good structured argument. Oh I forgot........they can't because there really ISN'T any strong argument to be provided here. Everybody and their "momma" knows we are living in a completely different time and LTRs along with Marriage structures are in a GREAT DEPRESSION.

When people who are not that bright try to argue against FACTS they will always come out looking like a jackass lol.

 

[Tenacity]

The answer to why is marriage smart is obviously IT DEPENDS. On what it depends has everything to do with the two people in the individual decision, nothing more.

The "give me FACTS group" cannot grasp that generalizations and back end statistics DO NOT APPLY in forward thinking subjective decisions. I mean using that logic, we are ALL going to die, and none of us know when. So under the logic of Urbanyst and Tenacity we may as well give up now and all kill ourselves because we will all be worm fodder in the end one of these days. Y'all are FATALISTS and cannot imagine anybody being happy being married. Well SURPRISE! Millions of people are and the reason they are is they do not suffer from the fatalistic view you guys have. That FATALISTIC VIEW is why you have failed to this point to meet worthwhile women, and you'll continue to fail for as long as you retain that mindset. I 100% GUARANTEE it.

Whether or not to get married and who to get married to and what value it has are all entirely SUBJECTIVE. That is why nobody can accurately predict whether any one individual marriage will fall into the 50% that succeed or the 50% that fail (and that's allowing your assumption, which I disagree with that 50% of marriages fail, which is a debatable statistic even among people who research this sort of thing.)

Lots of men in this thread understand that their individual lives are not determined by back end statistics. Those are the many men who have said, "Sure, I'd get married under the right circumstances." That means of course, contingent on picking out the right partner, something Tenacity and Urbanyst (who can't even get a GF for a year), STINK at doing.

Not ONE of you who say you have won the argument (it's a discussion you dim wits, not a win/lose contest) can account for all the SUCCESSFUL marriages out there. Oh you'll discount them and say "Oh well those guys aren't happy, etc. etc. etc.", but in fact I deal with married couples every day through my professional endeavors as well as know many personally who are deeply satisfied, happy, and grateful for their marriages. You can't deny the prevalence of marriage and you can't deny that there are plenty of nameless, faceless, happily married people in the world. Y'all aren't among them. Awwwwwwww.

And I'm not either, but I don't care. I'm not going around asking questions out of bitterness for the purpose of ridiculing people on an anonymous internet form. I think it's HYSTERICAL that you guys are this hung up and invested in these other men who DO want to be married someday. Y'all are the crabs pulling the other guys back down because God forbid, someone you see as an equal gets a better result out of life than you are getting.

Your toxic attitudes completely block your own happiness. Otherwise you'd just be happy to spin plates here for the rest of your days like deesade or RangerMike. Those guys are not here shaming anybody one way or another, they could care less.

So if you think getting married is a bad deal under any and all circumstances...Super simple folks... . Don't do it. Nobody cares if you do or not at the end of the day anyway.

But to call for FACTS when FACTS are irrelevant? Utterly adolescent logic (or, well, lack thereof.) You cannot use back end generalized statistics to evaluate subjective individual decisions and their merits. The merits are subjective and therefore irrespective of whatever FACTS you think you want to see.

So you are asking the wrong question in asking for fact. And you can't even recognize the folly of your line of reasoning. No wonder you get the results you do, LOL.

Lol, so much hyperbole in this response. I'm not even going through this to tear it a part, it's honestly not even worth the time in doing. But before we all exit, let's just look at this one quote below from Be Excellent:

But to call for FACTS when FACTS are irrelevant? Utterly adolescent logic (or, well, lack thereof.) You cannot use back end generalized statistics to evaluate subjective individual decisions and their merits. The merits are subjective and therefore irrespective of whatever FACTS you think you want to see.

So gentlemen there you have it. FACTS, stats, data, and logic are IRRELEVANT. Instead, it's all about the "subjective" (or in other words "emotional") individual decisions of a person. This line of thinking is how:

- People get scammed by late night infomercials
- People get scammed by colleges, majoring in something that has no marketplace skill
- People get scammed by con-artists pushing snake oil
- People get scammed by the Law Of Attraction con-artists
- People get scammed by the Prosperity Gospel Church Pastors
- People get scammed by Politicans

- And lastly, how people get scammed into signing a Marriage contract which FACTS, stats, data, and logic would clearly lead one to conclude makes no sense whatsoever.