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Technical1 said:
Reset do you worry that spending time on this site will increase social isolation or isnt that an issue for you at the mo?
Well here's the thing on that, part of what got me to be more social in my every day life was forums. I went from lonely to posting in forums so for me it was a step up. Except I was posting in forums that had nothing to do with this stuff. Then I found a forum based on the book No More Mr. Nice Guy and was very active there for about a year. Then I graduated to here.

The thing is, all the stuff I've learned from here, and the steps I've taken to change based on input from the guys here, I take it with me everywhere I go.

The big thing was, embracing masculinity. That's the key. Before I wasn't just scared of women, I was afraid of men too. Afraid I'd get in fights. Now, it's so easy for me to talk to guys and just shoot the ****, no matter where I'm at. In this sense I know I've made major changes. I am no longer threatened by other men--I actually enjoy talking to guys. Before I would be inimidated, now every time I see a guy I give the "hey what's up man" I just like being a dude. I don't know how to explain it.

When it comes to women, I've applied what I've learned here, as you know, my world revolved around work--that's where I practiced it. But the venue doesn't matter. I am very confident with my social intelligence at this point, or at least, I am confident with my ability to have conversations, increase attraction with women, it's now a part of me.

The next step is the cold approach. I feel good about me. I feel good about my social skills. Just taking a little time for my life circumstance to match up with the new me.

Like I said, I've outgrown my current circumstance. So I'm in the process of creating a brand new life. Big part of that, was the encouragement I got here to pursue my goals, like look for a new job. I'm on the path.

This place, is about learning to be social. It's constant reinforcement. You can't help but apply it.
 

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Then I found a forum based on the book No More Mr. Nice Guy and was very active there for about a year.
Interesting. Since I've been a regular lurker on NMMNG (as well as here) for some time now, I've probably read quite a few of your posts there, too.

But more importantly, I have a feeling that Eric may gain something from reading the No More Mr. Nice Guy book as well.
 
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Hey EricintheHouse, I feel you brother, I really do.

Now I am 41, live alone in a country where hardly anyone speaks english. BUT, I'm totally cool and happy with myself, self esteem is good, life is good, the world is a fukking great place to be.

BUT BUT BUT BUT

from about 25yo to about 35, I hated myself, hated my life, hated everything (I got scars on my wrist to prove it) I'd drive around and see people together, couples etc, just like you described, and i felt like i was a fukking secret agent from planet loser come to infiltrate earth for some reason.

You specifically didn't ask for any advice, so I won't give any. Just know that simply becasue you want to and are looking to, things will get better.

Know this: The world is a fukking spectacularly wonderful orgasm inducing place filled with supercool people that wanna help spin your propeller, if you only find a way show them how.

You'll find your way.

Peace brother.
thanks for the post...

yeah from about 27 till now I have felt this way, but I remember before that when all I thought about was taking flying lessons, working on cars, hanging out at the track.. I remember going home at night totally alone and I was HAPPY about it.. I didn't care about relationships, or getting laid... I thought people who get married are stupid.. I was at one time totally in love with myself, I felt invincible, and free...

It was after I gained an extremely close relationship with a girl online that I started to plunge.. I have very low self esteem to begin with, and I could talk well with this girl online..because we weren't really face to face..

It's embarrassing to say, but this girl online was the first time I actually felt something for a girl.... I knew something happened... I started thinking about her a lot... and I had desires to be with her in real life..even as friends.
I never had feelings like this for anyone before and it hit me like a raging fire.

This is the point that I started my fall... I knew I couldn't meet this girl, and I got reflection on what I was missing in life.. I started craving love and affection from a girl.. I became extremely lonely.... many bad days... and it is how I started my internet addiction and all this forum stuff..

I want to get my life back to the point before I met that girl.. and to be as content as you are now..

Thanks for the post.
 
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Europe31 said:
Interesting. Since I've been a regular lurker on NMMNG (as well as here) for some time now, I've probably read quite a few of your posts there, too.

But more importantly, I have a feeling that Eric may gain something from reading the No More Mr. Nice Guy book as well.
I'll google that.. I am always looking for things so I can better understand this crap, lol.. I guess thats why we all come to these forums..

thanks
 
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reset said:
Well here's the thing on that, part of what got me to be more social in my every day life was forums. I went from lonely to posting in forums so for me it was a step up. Except I was posting in forums that had nothing to do with this stuff. Then I found a forum based on the book No More Mr. Nice Guy and was very active there for about a year. Then I graduated to here.

The thing is, all the stuff I've learned from here, and the steps I've taken to change based on input from the guys here, I take it with me everywhere I go.

The big thing was, embracing masculinity. That's the key. Before I wasn't just scared of women, I was afraid of men too. Afraid I'd get in fights. Now, it's so easy for me to talk to guys and just shoot the ****, no matter where I'm at. In this sense I know I've made major changes. I am no longer threatened by other men--I actually enjoy talking to guys. Before I would be inimidated, now every time I see a guy I give the "hey what's up man" I just like being a dude. I don't know how to explain it.

When it comes to women, I've applied what I've learned here, as you know, my world revolved around work--that's where I practiced it. But the venue doesn't matter. I am very confident with my social intelligence at this point, or at least, I am confident with my ability to have conversations, increase attraction with women, it's now a part of me.

The next step is the cold approach. I feel good about me. I feel good about my social skills. Just taking a little time for my life circumstance to match up with the new me.

Like I said, I've outgrown my current circumstance. So I'm in the process of creating a brand new life. Big part of that, was the encouragement I got here to pursue my goals, like look for a new job. I'm on the path.

This place, is about learning to be social. It's constant reinforcement. You can't help but apply it.
Everything in this post has been noted, and is encouraging..
Thanks..
 

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eric,
welcome to the forum!
you are welcome to check out the chatroom (follow the thread and link in anything else)
we have been having sunday night chats about all sorts of topics.
 

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EricInTheHouse said:
This is how I feel... I'm thankful that you wrote this.. I really am.. because a lot of people assumed I was always after attention or whatever when I would go on with my feelings ..

Most of you're post was difficult to read... I know how you feel... I really do and I share your pain... it sucks and a lot of people just don't get it...

I take walks at night too.. just last night I did, becaus eit was warm, and I just needed to get out of this place for a while.
Sometimes I think about moving to a place like Florida.. lots of people, and action, less depression and cold weather.

Another thing about the violent thoughts... I know what you mean... god damn it I do.... I think very violently at times.. The toughest thing for me is that I am capable of thinking stuff towards people I love.. I recently thought of what it would be like to just hit my dad... at the time I felt so aggrivated, because he just doesn't get why I have such a hard time in life.. I swear at him sometimes and it hurts my mom... In return I feel like even more **** because I don't really mean what I say, yet they truly believe I hate them sometimes.

They just don't get how unbelievably hard it is to put on a smile face at the same time I want to wreck my car with me in it... I lash out because of it, and I know she worries about me all the time.

I sit at home and tell myself that my life should never of been like this.. I should of been this man that is caring and helps his family, has a GF, and loves her.. That man is in me, and I should be more than I am now..

In my family's eyes, I am a alone, short tempered , and disrespectful..
It sucks to be that guy they see... I want it to end...

I knoiw how this feels man...thanks for sharing.
Don't feel bad because some people say that such posts are made to get attention in a cheap way, please. It's always the same jerks hunting the weak, berating them to boost their egos. There's nothing wrong with telling it like it is even if reality is dreadful. Don't feel ashamed for who you are, even if your best wasn't enough you tried real hard to better your situation, and you mostly had no control over what lead you to this state. They can all go **** themselves. Plus everyone has such episodes, they're just not brave enough to admit it. I might live an abominable life, but I don't have any shame in me, and I'm not fazed by any negative response that someone might give me.

What you say about your parents also hits home. I don't have agressive feelings towards them, but I'm persuaded that they see me in the same way as they see you, and perpetually worry, wondering what's wrong with their son. What's hard is that whenever I talk to them over the phone, I have to keep the content of our conversations completely asexual because if I reveal my problems I'm sure they'll use that as an argument against me in the future. I know that they're sometimes hinting at finding a girl, but I'm just too good in changing topics subtly. Also I'm not able to see them face to face anymore, especially my mum. She doesn't understand why I seem so cold and distant, and so agressive at times. The truth is that I can't stand parental affection anymore, and especially hugs or any kind of physical contact, it warps me. All I can bear is the thought of physical intimacy with a female and one day satisfying my lust. I envy you for having had a female going out just to be with you even for one hour.

The one attitude that keeps me going is that, perpetual anger leads to spitefulness, spitefulness leads to scorn of others, scorn of others to disdain of others, and disdain of others to love for yourself and confidence. Even if it doesn't land me a woman sometimes I get really proud of how I am able to act and feel in such ways and it touches me.

Sure, I guess I could've been more proactive in the past. I was fat as hell and it took years and years to lose all the extra weight, but since about five years ago I succeeded, and lost a good 95% of it. I guess that morbid obesity can explain my lack of success with the opposite gender for years, but now even with a normal physique my situation refused to change. Also, too much focus on intellectual things. Most people who I interacted with constantly told me that I was insanely bright, and so even if I desired a girlfriend since puberty, I focused on nothing but my mind for most of my existence.

Anyhow with this new attitude, surely I can sway my fate. But sometimes life feels like a horror movie that never ends. Hopefully one day thoughts like these become just a distant epoch, and the better days that await will compensate for these trying times.
 
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penkitten said:
eric,
welcome to the forum!
you are welcome to check out the chatroom (follow the thread and link in anything else)
we have been having sunday night chats about all sorts of topics.
Coolio...I'll check it out.....
 
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Merry Maker said:
What you say about your parents also hits home. I don't have agressive feelings towards them, but I'm persuaded that they see me in the same way as they see you, and perpetually worry, wondering what's wrong with their son. What's hard is that whenever I talk to them over the phone, I have to keep the content of our conversations completely asexual because if I reveal my problems I'm sure they'll use that as an argument against me in the future. I know that they're sometimes hinting at finding a girl

My mom gets worried if I don't call or come over to the house sometimes.. she'll call me and say that I can come over to visit..loves me..whatever, and I really know that she is worried that maybe I will..(you know what)..
I hate that because I'm freakin almost 31, and I do have harsh emotions.. Sometimes I don't want family interaction because I damn well know that I will have to try and be happy around them.. I can't do it, and they just don't get it. My father even tells me that I don't have anything to worry about.. because I'm single, make good money, and have no responsibilities.. pffffttt he just does not get how truly living alone really does suck...

My mom has been hinting at being a grandmother too...My sister is trying to have a kid, but in my case it just is not going to happen... I'm near 31, and have only been on one short date.. I know that I would never be able to handle a kid.. I have had cravings to expirience fatherhood, but the fright of them growing up with my problems is enough to delete that possibility out of my head forever.. I can't stand the thought of a kid of mine having to go through this crap.

These days I'm trying damn hard to keep focused.. I started back into a few of my hobbies... I ride my mountain bike on the trails we just got in town, that are cool... Mountain biking REALLY cools me off... the weather is getting warmer so I can't wait to start riding again. Even then, when I am riding I will think about how awesome it would be if I had a GF with her bike right here with me..riding the trails, laughing, just having fun....stoping , have a picnic or something... in the middle of the woods.. You know what I mean?..

It's at these moments I really get out of shape... I know sometimes that this may never happen....people tell me to grow a set of balls and meet girls, but again..they just don't get how damn hard this crap is... they don't understand it.... If I could, I would of already.. don't they see that?...

I've been on one date..with a girl that I talked to at a sandwhich store.. just kinda happened one night... I felt comfortable, and I just asked her.
I didn't tell any of my family... because then they would think I was :better: and had no more worries... .. I'd be hounded all the time about who I was seeing ect ect..

It all just sucks.. I guess the way to help it is to keep active and perfect my intrest... maybe then something might happen..maybe then the "one" will come to me..
 

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EricInTheHouse said:
I'm soon to be 31 years old, and I have only been on one single date in my lifetime, and that was not more than a month ago. I currently live alone, drive alone, basicly eveything alone.. I'm the definition and poster child for being lonely.

Going to the video store and coming out empty handed because you get annoyed and down when you see a couple in there picking a movie together..and here you are alone wondering just how fun it will be to watch the dvd when you get home.."alone"

Anyone here that can relate to this?.. anyone here live alone and they sometimes can't handle it?...

I admit it has given me a short temper, and I get annoyed easily.. Sometimes it gets to hard to put on a happy face when inside you want to lash out and rip a wall down..

I also have a terrible jealousy problem... I'm jealous that some guys have awesome GF's, and they get to do stuff together.. while I walk around as a 31 year old loner... I try to stay focused and I do better at it, but deep inside the feelings I have had for 3 years now, still want to rage.. I'm just tired of going back and forth emotionally..

I don't need any advice... I just want to see if any guys here can relate to what I wrote.. please share your story.. because I know how it is to feel like this.. I know it big time, and it's nice to talk about it..you know?
1) What ethnicity are you?
2) How tall are you?

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Mad Manic said:
1) What ethnicity are you?
2) How tall are you?

MM
I'm a white dude, lol

5' 7"

broad shoulders...

brown hair..

Blue eyes

size 10 shoe

170 pounds

I kinda look like Doogie Houser M.D. LMAO...
 

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EricInTheHouse said:
I'm a white dude, lol

5' 7"

broad shoulders...

brown hair..

Blue eyes

size 10 shoe

170 pounds

I kinda look like Doogie Houser M.D. LMAO...
If you're white and assuming you aren't really ugly or anything, then why don't you have a white social circle just like every other white person I've ever met/seen? I mean it should be very easy to fit in especially if you went to college/university. You have blue eyes as well, that's always a plus.

MM
 

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Eric, don't listen to Mad Manic, he is totally insane. Hung up on looks and ethnicity.

And... are YOU merry maker? lol. Just noticed some... similarities.

My advice to you is

1. Go out alone. Get a nightlife.

2. The forums are great places to practice conversation.
 

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Mad Manic said:
If you're white and assuming you aren't really ugly or anything, then why don't you have a white social circle just like every other white person I've ever met/seen? I mean it should be very easy to fit in especially if you went to college/university. You have blue eyes as well, that's always a plus.

MM
Are there medications you're supposed to be taking or something?


Anyway, I don't get into it too much, but I can very much relate to this feeling. I've been stuck in a rut for a very long time and am pretty unhappy with my life and my social life (or lack thereof). Going out for nightlife by myself just doesn't cut it anymore, and to be honest it's always sucked. I don't want to be 30 and feel like I wasted my 20s. I just need to get outta this town, this country.....
 

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Well I'm not nearly as old as you, but I do know how it feels to be alone.

I came to Spain with my parents and experienced cultural shock, bigtime. With my self-sufficient, stand-offish attitude I took a long time to adjust and I went thorugh some periods of having practically no-one to connect with.

There's no magic pill, but I find that relating with other lonely people (or people who have been lonely) is much easier. They know how to value you because, like you, they've seen what it means to go without. I tend to hang out with expats like myself for that reason (there's no english that I know of round here, but I hang out mostly with guys from latin america).
 
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Master Bates said:
Are there medications you're supposed to be taking or something?


Anyway, I don't get into it too much, but I can very much relate to this feeling. I've been stuck in a rut for a very long time and am pretty unhappy with my life and my social life (or lack thereof). Going out for nightlife by myself just doesn't cut it anymore, and to be honest it's always sucked. I don't want to be 30 and feel like I wasted my 20s. I just need to get outta this town, this country.....
It is fun to get out and do stuff, but when you come home it's stiil just you and 4 walls... I'd love to get drunk, have fun, and come home with my babe, and then go to bed with her... Get up the next motning on a Sunday and help her in the garden or do whatever..bike ride ect ect...

I know what you mean.. I'm almost 31 and I feel that my 20's are a complete waste with the exception of gettting my pilot license at 22.
I feel a ton worse now in my 30's than I did in my 20's. I guess the reason for that is because I feel like time is running out and I am still the same way ..

I would at least like to move someplace that has more people..and sunshine... I cannot do winters anymore.. being alone in winter(at night)..really sucks.. It's not for the faint of heart. I agree with you... I want to live someplace else, and if I had a GF I would no doubt want to move..

I hope you can find peace too, brother.. I know how it is.
 
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Gubby said:
Well I'm not nearly as old as you, but I do know how it feels to be alone.

I came to Spain with my parents and experienced cultural shock, bigtime. With my self-sufficient, stand-offish attitude I took a long time to adjust and I went thorugh some periods of having practically no-one to connect with.

There's no magic pill, but I find that relating with other lonely people (or people who have been lonely) is much easier. They know how to value you because, like you, they've seen what it means to go without. I tend to hang out with expats like myself for that reason (there's no english that I know of round here, but I hang out mostly with guys from latin america).
That's cool that you are in spain...I've never been out of the NorthEast of the USA. I can see how culture shock can make you lonely, I don't know if I could do that... It must be tremedously hard to leave the friends you had in favor of a totally different place and people... Jeezus, I get nervous just thinking about it.. Hope you're doing better.
 
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iqqi said:
Eric, don't listen to Mad Manic, he is totally insane. Hung up on looks and ethnicity.

And... are YOU merry maker? lol. Just noticed some... similarities.

My advice to you is

1. Go out alone. Get a nightlife.

2. The forums are great places to practice conversation.
Nah...not Merry Maker, but I share a lot of what he says... His post is spot on and it explains my feelings better than I can write them..

Yeah.. i do need to get out, but I try then it's like "pfffttt..why even bother"..then I ened up going on the net or sleeping, working a car, or whatever..
 
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Mad Manic said:
If you're white and assuming you aren't really ugly or anything, then why don't you have a white social circle just like every other white person I've ever met/seen? I mean it should be very easy to fit in especially if you went to college/university. You have blue eyes as well, that's always a plus.

MM
Well I have trouble with my self esteem as far as looks go.. I feel that I am not desireable and it's the main reason why I have gone down this spiral.. I was never confident in my looks and I became shy and withdrawn.. It has been like that my whole life..I remember the days I would stay in my room playing video games, and just basicly ignoring everyone around me.

I never went to college.. I pretty much do my own thing, and I'm good at it.

I have friends that I help at the racetrack in the summer... I love to be at the races working on the cars ect ect... Lots of action and it takes my mind off of this bull****.. I guess that would be my circle, but a small one ..
I'm sure I would fit in if I was normal, and didn't have so much worry on my brain.. People do notice that something is wrong when they get to know me..
I am very emotional, and sometimes it's impossible to keep secret and hide..

I have my share of moments when I need to leave a place..video store, Wal-Mart..ect ect.. because ..well..... It gets tough and My emotions will come out..
 

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Eric, as a Master Don Juan, I am giving you a mission, should you choose to accept it.

Go out to a bar tonight. Go early around 11PM, sit at the bar, have a couple of drinks. Start off making conversation with the bartender, that is what they are there for.

Your mission after you get a little buzzed, is to have as many conversations with strangers as possible. No goal beyond that.

Remember all that you can, because you must post a Field Report tomorrow, telling us everything that happened.

Have fun. Remember... this is a mission.
 
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