Who cares about cheating?

[namismybabe]

Look, as a PUA, one can game who he wants, right?

Isn't it this BS ideal of monogamy that's the problem at hand, not "cheating"?

 

[Uncharted]

You can date whoever (and as many people as you want) until you agree to be in an exclusive relationship. If you both agree that you are only seeing each other, and you change your mind, why not just break it off with her?

 

[Wolfgang D]

Look, as a PUA, one can game who he wants, right?

Isn't it this BS ideal of monogamy that's the problem at hand, not "cheating"?

I think this is right up there with your, "An Alpha is always up for violence."

And why do you write "PUA" everywhere? Yeah, I know what it means. But it is not a badge to justify your every opinion. It's a bit like watching a kid in junior high wear cammo pants and talk endlessly about the Special Forces.

 

[Skyline]

As a man he can game whoever, as a PUA he games who he thinks he cant have.

If you're in a bad exclusive relationship with somebody you end it. You dont just cheat and stick around with it being bad. If its plate spinning then its not cheating because you're not exclusive.

 

[TheException]

Isn't it this BS ideal of monogamy that's the problem at hand, not "cheating"?

Monogamy is not BS. Nobody is forcing you into a monogamous relationship. Guys that cheat simply lack willpower. He just got horny and wanted to put his d1ck into a hot girl. When Im dating a girl exclusively I dont cheat because I still think men should honor their word. Integrity.

 

[Eternal_water]

Its the 7th commandment

Thou shalt not commit adultery

 

[TheCWord]

And why do you write "PUA" everywhere? Yeah, I know what it means. But it is not a badge to justify your every opinion. It's a bit like watching a kid in junior high wear cammo pants and talk endlessly about the Special Forces.

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

Any time I see someone use the term "PUA" on this site I know immediately that they don't get it.

This is not a pickup artist site. There are plenty of those stupid videos with bros approaching girls with canned lines, if that's what you're into, but this is a self-improvement site with a focus on developing a strong frame and becoming a better man so that you don't have to use PUA "tricks" to get women.

 

[DJ Bax]

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

Any time I see someone use the term "PUA" on this site I know immediately that they don't get it.

This is not a pickup artist site. There are plenty of those stupid videos with bros approaching girls with canned lines, if that's what you're into, but this is a self-improvement site with a focus on developing a strong frame and becoming a better man so that you don't have to use PUA "tricks" to get women.

This times one thousand. There are too many guys on this board who only care about getting women and have a negative view on men with integrity and goals outside of just game. I'm here because I want to be a better man, and my definition of a good man is very different from some of the people on here.

 

[DonGorgon]

part of being "civilized' is being willing to pretend to be monogamous and against cheating but the reality is the the human animal is not naturally monogamous at all and is instead programmed to be promiscuous well into old age...lol

its all part of the game of life where you pretend to conform and conceal your actual methods and activities...lol females are taught early on by other females to pretend to be pure etc but they all have promiscuous secrets that they often erase from their own memories..lol

humans cheat then lie about cheating ... i deal with it by accepting that fact and only getting into relationships with females who supply me with respect sex and money and have cars and jobs so that i can extract value out of them way beyond "emotional connection"

 

[SgtSplacker]

As far as i'm concerned i'll cheat if I am not completely happy with my relationship. Why not just break it off? Because I don't have to. I'll break it off if I see I want something more with someone else and that person is also interested in me. But if i'm just being friendly with a girl and she decides to blow me one day, i'm not going back to my girl to break up with her because of that. It's not that black and white... nonsense!

I did date a girl for many years that really did like me alot and her personality just didn't suggest at all that she was the kind of girl that would sleep around like that. I never messed around behind her back at all. I just felt she didn't deserve it. I ended up breaking things off with her because she had a major drinking problem. But if i'm dating a girl that likes to have "guy friends" or whatever you best bet i'm not breaking anything off until I have something better to go to, and that most likely is going to happen after I try the goods out first...

If you shoot straight with me i'll shoot straight too, but women nowadays have far too many options to deserve that kind of consideration from me.

Anyways, all a woman has ever done for me is make requests! And I don't consider sex a favor I owe her for either. All a woman ever does is eat my food, be a pain in my arse, and wait for me to bang her. Why does she deserve that kind of treatment/sacrifice from me?

Want to talk decency and consideration? Support yourself first and we'll talk about it. Stop having guy friends and we'll talk about it. Learn an occupation first and well talk about it.

But from where i'm sitting, all the cards are in my hand. So I make the rules.

 

[Wolfgang D]

part of being "civilized' is being willing to pretend to be monogamous and against cheating but the reality is the the human animal is not naturally monogamous at all and is instead programmed to be promiscuous well into old age...lol

Incorrect. Come on now, there is research about this, so we don't have to guess or make things up. Men do have the instinct to have sex with many women, because those who had that instinct in the past spread their behavior genes more, yes. But there is also an instinct in men to stay with a woman and help raise children together. Those men who had this instinct gave their children a better start and therefore spread their behavior genes more. Especially in colder climates, where if you leave the children they will die. There, only those with an instinct to plan ahead, to be disciplined, to save food and to take care of their children would survive and have children who survived. As we can see, monogamy was always strong in northern Europe and in northern Asia. Whereas in Africa, the norm was often for a woman to raise her children by herself or together with a male relative with no family, usually an uncle or a brother.

Women, of course, have the Quality Before Quantity preference as a very strong behavior gene, because they can only have a few children, so sleeping around would be meaningless to them. Those women who sought the best possible mate for their few children had children of higher quality, and therefore passed on their behavior genes.


In the animal kingdom we see that the most advanced animals, like gorillas and elephants, stay with their children a longer time, while less advanced animals, like rabbits and rats, let the children go off on their own very quickly. The more advanced animals cannot wander off on their own right away, because their more complicated brains need a longer time to develop, whereas the brains in less advanced animals have simpler functions that are good to go much quicker. Humans being the most advanced animals of all, our offspring need the longest time with their parents, and the most attention and help from their parents. That is why humans have the strongest instinct to stay with their children. That is also why we have developed love, a chemical reaction that releases endorphines and a sense of identifying with someone else as if that person was a part of us. This improves our children's chances of growing up.

At the same time, men have that instinct to have many children with many women. The instincts are in conflict. But when there are many men around, a society works better with monogamy than with harems. In the Stone Age harems were the norm - the strongest men took all of the most desirable women. But monogamy gives all men a stake in developing a society, as that is best for their children. Monogamy was essential for developing and moving out of the Stone Age. Incidentally, the tribes we see in the rain forests who don't have any taboos against having sex with whoever, and who don't have close-knit families, and who, by the way, have no sense of private property either, are still Stone Age societies, always small and on the brink of starvation. Few men in that kind of tribe have an incentive to build something greater, as anything they build has to be shared with everyone else, including the moochers. And as they don't have any children who will pass on their name after they are gone, they see no point in building something lasting. So they just live for the day and nothing evolves.

 

[JoshSway]

Look, as a PUA, one can game who he wants, right?

Isn't it this BS ideal of monogamy that's the problem at hand, not "cheating"?

Evolution. We are born to care about cheating because it lowers the probability we spread our seed with that woman. It's really that simple. I agree other than STD risk etc, there is no "logical" reason why we should care.

 

[JoeMarron]

Incorrect. Come on now, there is research about this, so we don't have to guess or make things up. Men do have the instinct to have sex with many women, because those who had that instinct in the past spread their behavior genes more, yes. But there is also an instinct in men to stay with a woman and help raise children together. Those men who had this instinct gave their children a better start and therefore spread their behavior genes more. Especially in colder climates, where if you leave the children they will die. There, only those with an instinct to plan ahead, to be disciplined, to save food and to take care of their children would survive and have children who survived. As we can see, monogamy was always strong in northern Europe and in northern Asia. Whereas in Africa, the norm was often for a woman to raise her children by herself or together with a male relative with no family, usually an uncle or a brother.

Women, of course, have the Quality Before Quantity preference as a very strong behavior gene, because they can only have a few children, so sleeping around would be meaningless to them. Those women who sought the best possible mate for their few children had children of higher quality, and therefore passed on their behavior genes.


In the animal kingdom we see that the most advanced animals, like gorillas and elephants, stay with their children a longer time, while less advanced animals, like rabbits and rats, let the children go off on their own very quickly. The more advanced animals cannot wander off on their own right away, because their more complicated brains need a longer time to develop, whereas the brains in less advanced animals have simpler functions that are good to go much quicker. Humans being the most advanced animals of all, our offspring need the longest time with their parents, and the most attention and help from their parents. That is why humans have the strongest instinct to stay with their children. That is also why we have developed love, a chemical reaction that releases endorphines and a sense of identifying with someone else as if that person was a part of us. This improves our children's chances of growing up.

At the same time, men have that instinct to have many children with many women. The instincts are in conflict. But when there are many men around, a society works better with monogamy than with harems. In the Stone Age harems were the norm - the strongest men took all of the most desirable women. But monogamy gives all men a stake in developing a society, as that is best for their children. Monogamy was essential for developing and moving out of the Stone Age. Incidentally, the tribes we see in the rain forests who don't have any taboos against having sex with whoever, and who don't have close-knit families, and who, by the way, have no sense of private property either, are still Stone Age societies, always small and on the brink of starvation. Few men in that kind of tribe have an incentive to build something greater, as anything they build has to be shared with everyone else, including the moochers. And as they don't have any children who will pass on their name after they are gone, they see no point in building something lasting. So they just live for the day and nothing evolves.

Agreed. Monogamy has its flaws but I always find it silly when people claim that no one is naturally monagamous, as if monogamy is just a social construct that people just came up with out of thin air

 

[BraddH]

Monogamy is not BS. Nobody is forcing you into a monogamous relationship. Guys that cheat simply lack willpower. He just got horny and wanted to put his d1ck into a hot girl. When Im dating a girl exclusively I dont cheat because I still think men should honor their word. Integrity.

It is not just to honor, it is absolutely. As a man, you must keep our word.

 

[adam225]

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

Any time I see someone use the term "PUA" on this site I know immediately that they don't get it.

This is not a pickup artist site. There are plenty of those stupid videos with bros approaching girls with canned lines, if that's what you're into, but this is a self-improvement site with a focus on developing a strong frame and becoming a better man so that you don't have to use PUA "tricks" to get women.

If you aren't been true to yourself, & you feel the need to use "tactics" to meet a women, then as far as I'm concerned you've got deeper issues. You should be focusing purely on yourself and becoming truly confident and happy in who you are. Tactics, tricks, suggestions, ect... are nothing but lies. They aren't who you are as a person. I try preaching this stuff a lot, but a lot of people just don't get it lol (Skinnyguy for example).

I agree with you totally bro..

 

[Jaylan]

Look, as a PUA, one can game who he wants, right?

Isn't it this BS ideal of monogamy that's the problem at hand, not "cheating"?

Lame thread

People need to do their research. Humans are actually serial monogamists (many of us, not all), and there are some people who are capable of lifetime monogamy.

This false idea that monogamy isnt natural was created by a few horndogs as an excuse for their lies and deceit. If you wanna sleep around, thats cool...but have some goddamn integrity and not lie and deceive people you claim to care about.

 

[namismybabe]

Lame thread

People need to do their research. Humans are actually serial monogamists (many of us, not all), and there are some people who are capable of lifetime monogamy.

This false idea that monogamy isnt natural was created by a few horndogs as an excuse for their lies and deceit. If you wanna sleep around, thats cool...but have some goddamn integrity and not lie and deceive people you claim to care about.

er.. the beliefs of scientists don't wash with me.

 

[Jaylan]

er.. the beliefs of scientists don't wash with me.

Of course not.

Some people just create facts about humanity out of thin air on this forum...ie...opinions based on their individual worldview and not necessarily a representation of human behavior as a whole.

Basically its Reality vs "This is what I think"

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Some of you guys lack abstract thinking. Prove Monogamy is natural? I think it is not and the evidence is overwhelming lol. Just because people are capable of monogamy doesn't mean it is the correct course for human sexual evolution....smh you have a choice do what YOU WANT point blank period

 

[Jaylan]

Some of you guys lack abstract thinking. Prove Monogamy is natural? I think it is not and the evidence is overwhelming lol. Just because people are capable of monogamy doesn't mean it is the correct course for human sexual evolution....smh you have a choice do what YOU WANT point blank period

Do you know what monogamy is?

Just because many folks cannot maintain LIFETIME monogamy, does not mean that humans arent naturally SERIAL monogamists. For the most part people only become romantically involved with one person at a time (even if they do cheat at points in their lives).

At the end of the day its STILL monogamy. Someone can leap-frog from relationship to relationship for most of their life, but its still monogamy if they generally are dating just one person at a time. This is how most people date.

Lack of abstract thinking? How about a lack of reading comprehension and an inability to use a dictionary lol.