White fighters excelling in boxing and MMA

[thebluntguy]

For years blacks have dominated boxing. Especially in the heavyweight division. Now, for the better part of the last decade, two caucasian fighters from the Ukrain have dominated the divison. Vitaly and Wvladimir Khlitcshko have a monopoly on all the major titles in the heavyweight division.

In MMA, the earlier days were mostly dominated by white fighters in all the divisions. Chuck Lidell, Matt Hughes, Randy Coutre are all hall of famers. Now recently, some black and Hispanic figthers have caught up in skill level. But white fighters still hold about half of the UFC weight class championships. Georges St Pierre and Frankie Edgar are two white current champs. Also, Chael Sonnen beat the hell out of Anderson Silva for 5 rounds before being caught with a submission. They'll be fighting again soon, and even though Sonnen didn't look too good in his last fight versus Michael Bisping, I think he's going to beat Silva this time. That'll make 3 white champions.

I'm not trying to be overly racial here, but after years of hearing blacks and hispanics talk about how no white fighters would ever be able to compete with them, it's nice to see them eat their words now.

 

[Kerpal]

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[Bible_Belt]

Chael Sonnen beat the hell out of Anderson Silva for 5 rounds before being caught with a submission.

Sonnen also flunked his pre-fight drug test that night for testosterone.

I can tell you from competing in mma on an amateur level that quality and extent of one's training is what determines skill, not race. The only racial generalization I'd make is one that is true - black and hispanic people tend to have less money, which means they have less money with which to purchase good training.

 

[thebluntguy]

Bible, what are you talking about? First of all, contrary to popular belief, not all white people are born with silver spoon's in their mouth. Secondly, if blacks and hispanics don't have as much money for training, why did they dominate boxing for almost 50 years? Did they have money then and not now?

Why is it that when minorities falter at something, there's always an excuse for it? Just accept the fact that whites have caught up with you in this arena.

 

[thebluntguy]

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Kerpal- I understand what you're saying, but why is it that when minority fighters win, they all come on these boards talking about how whites can't compete. When Brock Lesnar was beat recently, all we heard about is that he loses to minority fighters. When whites beat minority fighters, then it's taboo to say anything.

 

[Kerpal]

Who cares?

 

[thebluntguy]

Who cares?

Well, obviously you do if you took the time to comment on it ass hat.

 

[Bible_Belt]

if blacks and hispanics don't have as much money for training, why did they dominate boxing for almost 50 years?

I once asked my own trainer the same question. He said that the boxing gyms were typically in tough neighborhoods and attracted anyone athletic. If a fighter was good, a skilled trainer would invest time in him for a cut of his prize money.

That scenario doesn't happen today in mma, because compared to boxing, pro mma fighters don't make jack sh!t. UFC undercard fights pay about $3k. A non-UFC heavyweight, if he's good and can sell tickets, will get paid about one grand to fight. Non-heavyweight local pros go for about $300-400. Even the UFC-caliber fighter is not going to make enough to cover the cost of a major medical operation should he get hurt. Outside of maybe the top ten fighters in the UFC, there's no money in mma purses.

There's really no money in mma, period. It's a fairly costly hobby if you buy the right equipment and get quality training. That screens out the broke kids, whether they're black and from the ghetto, or white and from the trailer park. And when either of them show up to fight without being well-trained, they almost always lose. Training is a hundred times more important than color.

 

[thebluntguy]

I once asked my own trainer the same question. He said that the boxing gyms were typically in tough neighborhoods and attracted anyone athletic. If a fighter was good, a skilled trainer would invest time in him for a cut of his prize money.

That scenario doesn't happen today in mma, because compared to boxing, pro mma fighters don't make jack sh!t. UFC undercard fights pay about $3k. A non-UFC heavyweight, if he's good and can sell tickets, will get paid about one grand to fight. Non-heavyweight local pros go for about $300-400. Even the UFC-caliber fighter is not going to make enough to cover the cost of a major medical operation should he get hurt. Outside of maybe the top ten fighters in the UFC, there's no money in mma purses.

There's really no money in mma, period. It's a fairly costly hobby if you buy the right equipment and get quality training. That screens out the broke kids, whether they're black and from the ghetto, or white and from the trailer park. And when either of them show up to fight without being well-trained, they almost always lose. Training is a hundred times more important than color.

I agree with you bible. That was my point. I think fighters are either talented and trained right or not.

So who do you think is going to win the Sonnen/Silva rematch?

 

[Alle_Gory]

You guys were very polite but we're not supposed to have any threads discussing race.

Closed before things get messy.